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|+<big>'''IUHAN CULMÆRIIA'''</big>
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[[Image:__]]
[[File:culmær.png]]
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|valign=top|'''Birth:'''
|valign=top|'''Birth:''' || [[Wikipedia:Cape Town|Cape Town]], [[Wikipedia:South Africa|South Africa]]
|| Early June. [[Wikipedia:Cape Town|Cape Town]], [[Wikipedia:South Africa|South Africa]]
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|valign=top|'''Profession:'''
|valign=top|'''Profession:''' || Student
|| Student
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|valign=top|'''Natural languages:'''
|valign=top|'''Natural languages:'''  
|| N- [[Wikipedia:Afrikaans language|Afrikaans]] <br />
||  
N- English <br />
*[[Wikipedia:Afrikaans language|Afrikaans]] / English (both Native)
2- [[Wikipedia:French language|français]] <br />
*[[Wikipedia:French language|français]] (BA degree)
2- [[Wikipedia:Dutch language|Nederlands]] <br />
*[[Wikipedia:Dutch language|Nederlands]] (B1)
pretend- [[Wikipedia:German language|Deutsch]] <br />
*[[Wikipedia:Yiddish language|ייִדיש]]
pretend- [[Wikipedia:Latin|Lingua Latina]]
*[[Wikipedia:German language|Deutsch]]
*<s>[[Wikipedia:Persian language|فارسى]]</s>
*<s>[[Wikipedia:Xhosa language|isiXhosa]]</s>
*<s>[[Wikipedia:Gothic language|𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺]]</s> 
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|valign=top|'''Other natlangs:'''
|valign=top|'''Created conlangs:''' ||  
|| '''Would learn:''' <br />
*[[Syrunian]]
[[Wikipedia:Latin|Lingua Latina]] <br />
*[[Culmærian]] (various versions)
[[Wikipedia:Japanese Language|日本語]] <br />
[[Wikipedia:Interlingua|Interlingua]] <br />
[[Wikipedia:Persian language|فارسى]] <br />
[[Wikipedia:West Frisian language|Frysk]] <br />
'''Interested in:''' <br />
[[Wikipedia:Gothic language|𐌲𐌿𐍄𐌹𐍃𐌺]] <br />
[[Wikipedia:Aramaic language|ܠܫܢܐ ܣܘܪܝܝܐ]] and [[Wikipedia:Hebrew language|עברית]]
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|valign=top|'''Created conlangs:'''
|valign=top|'''Conlangs I enjoy:''' ||  
|| [[Syrunian]]; Culmærian
*[[Dothraki]]
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*[[Wikipedia:Interlingua|Interlingua]]
|valign=top|'''Other conlangs:'''
*[[Carrajina]]
|| [[Carrajina]];<br /> [[Albic]];<br /> [[Wikipedia:Teonaht|Teonaht]]; <br />[[gjâ-zym-byn]]; <br /> [[Bâzrâmani]]
*[[Albic]]  
*[[gjâ-zym-byn]]
*[[Bâzrâmani]]  
|-
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|valign=top|'''Interests:'''
|valign=top|'''Interests:'''
|| [[Wikipedia:Jorge Luis Borges|Jorge Luis Borges]]; [[Wikipedia:Nicolaas Petrus van Wyk Louw|N P v.Wyk Louw]]; Oded Ezer; Art; Typogrophy; Music; [[Wikipedia:Die Antwoord|Die Antwoord]]; the Bible; al-Qur’an; Pokémon
|| [[Wikipedia:Jorge Luis Borges|Jorge Luis Borges]]; Art; Typography; Pokémon
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|-
|valign=top|'''More information:'''
|valign=top|'''More information:'''  
|| .
|| n/a
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'''Iuhan Culmærija''' ([[Wikipedia:English language|Eng]]: ''John the Culmærian'', [[Wikipedia:Afrikaans language|Afr]]: ''Johan die Koelmaeriër'', [[Syrunian|Srn]]: ' יוהאן אל-קולמאערייא ') : sketch-[[artlang]]er, [[altlang]]er, as well as con-script enthusiast. <br />
'''Culmær''' is a [[sketch|sketchlang]]er, primarily in the [[artlang]] and altlang (or [[Diachronic conlang]]) genres, as well as a [[conscript]]-enthusiast. Their primary project is the Culmærian laguage, after which they are named.  <br />
Conlanger code ([http://taliesin.nvg.org/conlang/conlang-code-1.1.html ''x'']):
CH|v1.1|!lh+|cR:N:?|a++|!z*|n3d:1.5d|B?|A--|E-|L*|N4@|Ic/s|k+|ia+|p+s++|m|o|P----|S%|Culmærian
 
==Conlanging==
===Projects===
# '''Culmærÿn''' : the thankfully-short-lived first attempt at language construction [c.2008]
# '''Culmærian''' : an a priori artlang, an experiment in æsthetics [2008]
# '''[[Syrunian]] / סירונייא''' : a Levantine-Romance language which originated in the Roman Province of Syria [2010-2014]
# '''[[Fox Latin]]''' : a language game based on [[Wikipedia:Pig Latin|Pig latin]] with Latinate grammar [2012]
# '''Literary [[Culmærian]]''' or "Quəmara" (incl. dialects) : artlangs descended from a refined-and-reconstructed version of my old project mentioned above, which now serves as the proto-lang [2016-present] <br />
 
===Beginings===
I have always been exposed to languages. I was raised bilingually (Afrikaans and English), and at the primary school I attended, “[[Wikipedia:Xhosa language|Xhosa]] as third language” was compulsory from Grades 1 to 7. In Grade 5 a few friends and I used [[Wikipedia:J. R. R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]’s [[Wikipedia:Cirth|Cirth runes]] to write notes to each other. Although I did not discover [[Wikipedia:Elvish languages (Middle-earth)|Tolkien's languages]] at the time, this did spark my interest in codes and [[conscript]]s. Manga later introduced me to Japanese, and while my attempts at learning the language bore no fruits, I “caught the language bug.” thus, from high school onwards, I started studying foreign languages seriously, and developed an interest in comparative and historical linguistics ... eventually, I started conlanging.
 
===Involvement===
*I was a member of the [https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/conlang.html CONLANG mailing list] from 2009 to 2013.
*Was active on the ''Conlang Facebook Group'' from 2012 to 2014. I briefly joined the new Facebook group, but wasn't an active participant.<br />
 
==Relays==
{{torch|Conlang Relay 20|Ring 1|from=Juus — ''skipped''|[[Syrunian]] — ''skipped,'' though I'm not sure why. So many participants seem to have been skipped in Ring 1 ?}}
==Thoughts on classification==
Conlangs are generally categorised into three broad groups: [[artlang]]s, [[engelang]]s and [[auxlang]]s. This has been termed the [[Conlang terminology#Types of conlangs|"reason" classification]] as it is based on the reasons for which the language was constructed. But as most conlangs do not adhere to these categorisations entirely and incorporate elements from, perhaps, all three groups, one tends to plot them somewhere within the Conlang or '''Gnoli Triangle'''.<br />
<center><nowiki> ARTLANG </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> /\ </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> / \ </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> /  \ </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> ENGELANG ---------- AUXLANG </nowiki>
</center><br />
 
But, without understanding its history, this triangle is somewhat deceptive. '''Artlangs''' (including naturalistic langs, minimalist langs, &c.) are primarily concerned with æsthetics. '''Engelangs''' (including philosophical langs, logical langs, &c.) are engineered with a particular set of design goals in mind. '''Auxlangs''', I would argue, do not have this inherent structural 'identifier.' A language simply ''is'' or ''is not'' an auxlang. <br />
# If Tolkien had proposed [[Quenya]] (the quintessential artlang) as an auxlang, it would still, undeniably be an artistically crafted language.
# And if Zamenhof had created [[Esperanto]] (the quintessential auxlang) exactly as he did, except for a novel, it would no longer be considered an auxlang. <br />
# Engelangs have diverse goals. Thence I would further argue that in the ''same way'' that [[Ithkuil]] was engineerd to be ultra-concise, and [[Lojban]] to be logically unambiguous, Esperanto was ''engineered'' to be simple in the European context (which is not true of all auxlangs, of course, but ultimately they are all based on a predetermined set of goals). <br />
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<br />
I was raised a bilingual (Afrikaans and English) since birth. At the school I attended, “[[Wikipedia:Xhosa language|Xhosa]] as third language” was compulsory from Grade 1 to Grade 7, but I never really liked it and cannot remember anything more than “''molo mhlobo wam''” (hello, my friend). In Grade 5 a few friends and I used [[Wikipedia:J. R. R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]’s [[Wikipedia:Cirth|Cirth runes]] to write notes. Although I did not discover the [[Wikipedia:Elvish languages (Middle-earth)|Tolkienian tongues]], this did spark my interest in '''codes''', which would eventually lead to conlanging. <br />
In August 2012 [https://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1208D&L=CONLANG&P=R18324&I=-3&d=No+Match%3BMatch%3BMatches] I proposed a purely '''Structural classification''' on the Mailing List, provisionally referred to as the '''Conlang Continuum.'''
Manga soon introduced me to Japanese. Despite getting absolutely nowhere with Japanese, I “caught the language bug.” In high school, I started studying French (and very casually working at Dutch and Latin)... and eventually started conlanging.<br />
<center>
<br />
<nowiki> ARTLANG --------------------------------- ENGELANG </nowiki><br />
To me, conlanging is an artistic and very personal craft. While I like originality and hope that my languages are interesting to others, my only goal is that the language fulfils my aesthetic and linguistic preferences and expresses my paradigm and thought process.<br />  
<nowiki> Proposed as auxlang? Yes □  No □ </nowiki>
I really like well made Indo-European (specifically Germanic and Italic) [[a posteriori]] conlangs. Especially if the grammar is fresh and interesting, I enjoy the connection I make and sense of familiarity I experience with these '''altlang'''s. I am also a fan of '''lostlang'''s. I fully enjoy creating and using my [[romlang]], [[Syrunian]]. <br />
<br /> </center>
<br />
For example:
I am a con-script enthusiast. The perfect writing system, for me, has a balance between beauty, legibility, practicality and ease of writing. I have not yet been able to achieve this ideal with my own creations. <br />
<center>
By my evaluation (based solely on my personal taste), Tolkien’s [[Wikipedia:Tengwar|Tengwar]] is not nearly beautiful enough to compensate for its similar letter forms (=illegible). [[Wikipedia:Cursive Hebrew|Cursive Hebrew]], although not a '''con-'''script, is quite attractive and practical.
<nowiki> ARTLANG --Q---------------------E----I--- ENGELANG </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> Quenya : Auxlang? Yes □  No ■ </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> Ithkuil : Auxlang? Yes □  No ■ </nowiki><br />
<nowiki> Esperanto : Auxlang? Yes ■  No □ </nowiki><br />
</center>
It was noted in the thread that the philosophical and even political difference between auxlangs and other conlangs was significant enough; and of course, the Gnoli Triangle has an established history
 
==Ars glossopoetica==
*Conlanging is an art-form, and in my personal work, the aesthetic is of primary importance. <br />
*I really like well-made Indo-European alt- and lostlangs, especially if the grammar is interesting or somewhat unusual (within reason). I enjoy the "vaguely familiar" flavour of [[a posteriori]] conlangs <br />
*I am also a con-script enthusiast. The perfect writing system has a balance between beauty, legibility and ease of writing (practicality). I have not yet been able to achieve this ideal with my own creations. My absolute favourite writing system is [[Wikipedia:Cursive Hebrew|Cursive Hebrew]], even though it is not a '''con-'''script.

Latest revision as of 09:28, 25 January 2024

CULMÆR

Culmær.png

Birth: Cape Town, South Africa
Profession: Student
Natural languages:
Created conlangs:
Conlangs I enjoy:
Interests: Jorge Luis Borges; Art; Typography; Pokémon
More information: n/a

Culmær is a sketchlanger, primarily in the artlang and altlang (or Diachronic conlang) genres, as well as a conscript-enthusiast. Their primary project is the Culmærian laguage, after which they are named.
Conlanger code (x): CH|v1.1|!lh+|cR:N:?|a++|!z*|n3d:1.5d|B?|A--|E-|L*|N4@|Ic/s|k+|ia+|p+s++|m|o|P----|S%|Culmærian

Conlanging

Projects

  1. Culmærÿn : the thankfully-short-lived first attempt at language construction [c.2008]
  2. Culmærian : an a priori artlang, an experiment in æsthetics [2008]
  3. Syrunian / סירונייא : a Levantine-Romance language which originated in the Roman Province of Syria [2010-2014]
  4. Fox Latin : a language game based on Pig latin with Latinate grammar [2012]
  5. Literary Culmærian or "Quəmara" (incl. dialects) : artlangs descended from a refined-and-reconstructed version of my old project mentioned above, which now serves as the proto-lang [2016-present]

Beginings

I have always been exposed to languages. I was raised bilingually (Afrikaans and English), and at the primary school I attended, “Xhosa as third language” was compulsory from Grades 1 to 7. In Grade 5 a few friends and I used Tolkien’s Cirth runes to write notes to each other. Although I did not discover Tolkien's languages at the time, this did spark my interest in codes and conscripts. Manga later introduced me to Japanese, and while my attempts at learning the language bore no fruits, I “caught the language bug.” thus, from high school onwards, I started studying foreign languages seriously, and developed an interest in comparative and historical linguistics ... eventually, I started conlanging.

Involvement

  • I was a member of the CONLANG mailing list from 2009 to 2013.
  • Was active on the Conlang Facebook Group from 2012 to 2014. I briefly joined the new Facebook group, but wasn't an active participant.

Relays

Conlang Relay 20 — Ring 1
Juus — skipped → Syrunianskipped, though I'm not sure why. So many participants seem to have been skipped in Ring 1 ?

Thoughts on classification

Conlangs are generally categorised into three broad groups: artlangs, engelangs and auxlangs. This has been termed the "reason" classification as it is based on the reasons for which the language was constructed. But as most conlangs do not adhere to these categorisations entirely and incorporate elements from, perhaps, all three groups, one tends to plot them somewhere within the Conlang or Gnoli Triangle.

ARTLANG

/\
/ \
/  \
ENGELANG ---------- AUXLANG


But, without understanding its history, this triangle is somewhat deceptive. Artlangs (including naturalistic langs, minimalist langs, &c.) are primarily concerned with æsthetics. Engelangs (including philosophical langs, logical langs, &c.) are engineered with a particular set of design goals in mind. Auxlangs, I would argue, do not have this inherent structural 'identifier.' A language simply is or is not an auxlang.

  1. If Tolkien had proposed Quenya (the quintessential artlang) as an auxlang, it would still, undeniably be an artistically crafted language.
  2. And if Zamenhof had created Esperanto (the quintessential auxlang) exactly as he did, except for a novel, it would no longer be considered an auxlang.
  3. Engelangs have diverse goals. Thence I would further argue that in the same way that Ithkuil was engineerd to be ultra-concise, and Lojban to be logically unambiguous, Esperanto was engineered to be simple in the European context (which is not true of all auxlangs, of course, but ultimately they are all based on a predetermined set of goals).


In August 2012 [1] I proposed a purely Structural classification on the Mailing List, provisionally referred to as the Conlang Continuum.

ARTLANG --------------------------------- ENGELANG
Proposed as auxlang? Yes □ No □


For example:

ARTLANG --Q---------------------E----I--- ENGELANG
Quenya : Auxlang? Yes □ No ■
Ithkuil : Auxlang? Yes □ No ■
Esperanto : Auxlang? Yes ■ No □

It was noted in the thread that the philosophical and even political difference between auxlangs and other conlangs was significant enough; and of course, the Gnoli Triangle has an established history

Ars glossopoetica

  • Conlanging is an art-form, and in my personal work, the aesthetic is of primary importance.
  • I really like well-made Indo-European alt- and lostlangs, especially if the grammar is interesting or somewhat unusual (within reason). I enjoy the "vaguely familiar" flavour of a posteriori conlangs
  • I am also a con-script enthusiast. The perfect writing system has a balance between beauty, legibility and ease of writing (practicality). I have not yet been able to achieve this ideal with my own creations. My absolute favourite writing system is Cursive Hebrew, even though it is not a con-script.