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Author: TomHChappell Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:16 am

How many, and who, among us have more-or-less completish vocabularies for body parts in some of our conlangs? And which conlangs?

Here's my attempt at an outline. If you find it incomplete, add stuff; if you find a different order would be better, re-arrange it; and if you find it makes "different" things your conlang would make "same", edit it.

Body

Blood vessel
1. Artery
2. Vein
Material of which it is composed
1. Bone
2. Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?)
3. Skin
4. Muscle
5. Fat
6. Blood
Trunk (torso)
1. Chest
  1. Heart
  2. Lung
2. Abdomen or Belly
  1. Stomach
  2. Liver
  3. Spleen
  4. Intestines
3. Waist
Neck
Extremity
1. Head
  1. Hair
  2. Ear
    1. Earhole
    2. Earlobe?
  3. Eye
    1. Eyeball
      1. Iris
      2. Pupil
      3. Sclera
    2. Eyebrow
    3. Eyelid
      1. Eyelash
    4. Eye socket
    5. Tear gland
  4. Nose
    1. Nostril
  5. Mouth
    1. Jaw
      1. Maxilla (upper jaw)
      2. Mandible (lower jaw)
    2. Tooth
      1. Incisor
      2. Eyetooth or Canine Tooth
      3. Molar (and/or premolar?)
    3. Tongue
2. Limb
  1. Arm
    1. Shoulder
    2. Elbow
    3. Wrist
    4. Humerus (upper arm)
    5. Lower Arm
    6. Hand
      1. Palm
  2. Leg
    1. Hip
      1. buttock (if different)
    2. Knee
    3. Ankle
    4. Thigh (upper leg)
    5. Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle)
      1. Shin
      2. Calf
    6. Foot
      1. Sole
      2. Heel
      3. Ball
3. Digit (toe or thumb or finger)
  1. Nail
    1. Fingernail
    2. Toenail
  2. Toe
    1. Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)
    2. Pinky toe or little toe
    3. Other individual toes?
  3. Thumb
    1. Thumbnail
  4. Finger
    1. Index finger
    2. Pinky finger
    3. Middle finger
    4. Ring finger
4. My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?!
  1. female
    1. vagina
    2. womb
  2. male
    1. penis
    2. testicle
Side
1. Back
2. Front
3. Left
4. Right
5. Bottom (lower)
6. Top (upper)
Orifices
1. anus
2. urethral meatus?
3. vagina was covered under "genitalia".
4. mouth and nose and ear were covered under "head". So was "eye", but your conlang might not consider that an orifice.

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes? Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns? (I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

Things included and things omitted on purpose, with reasons

I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).

(I also left out the Organ of Zuckerkandl, which resides in the arch of the aorta. Nobody seems to know what it's for.)

(And I left out the voicebox or larynx, and other parts of the speech system. Perhaps I should have included some of them. Others are welcome to, if they feel it would be good to do so.)

Bones and blood and stomachs-and-or-intestines and hearts and wombs, however, seemed like I should include them.

Blood is often visible on the surface, after a minor injury.

If bone is visible on the surface, a major injury has occurred; but one can detect the bone from the outside by touch.

Hearts move and make a sound detectable from the outside.

The same is true of the stomach-and-or-intestines; furthermore the owner of the stomach can often tell when it's empty, or when it wants to operate in reverse (the name of that sensation is "nausea").

Wombs have visible results; and their owners know what's going on in them. (Actually, I've been kicked awake by an unborn baby whose mother slept through the kick!)

As for livers and spleens and sweetbreads and so on: They are often referred to in old-fashioned conversations preceding the advent of modern medicine; I assume that the practice of butchery, together with those of surgery and veterinary and medicine, familiarized people with some of them. In some Native North American languages, for instance, an automobile's battery is referred to as its "liver".

It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.

(Unknown conlang 1)

Author: cromulant

arm - khaib.

Pabappa

Author: Soap

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap -Blood vessel tamapop --Artery tamap --Vein tamap wurpap peso -Material of which it is composed --Bone pansa --Skin perebi --Muscle soppi --Fat blampilpim, pilpi --Blood tapema -Trunk (torso) sumpobi --Chest pammum ---Heart wepse, wawa ---Lung ebo, ebobi --Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi ---Stomach pemarapupi ---Liver pabapi ---Spleen barrampi ---Intestines wampupi --Waist pemarapupi -Neck pia pawa palidapa -Extremity palupopi, pemiabi --Head wibu, pawapi ---Hair wesum ---Ear uma, sobopi

Earhole umabosadepi

---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi

Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi

Iris pispadapi

Pupil pispaliapi

Sclera no word yet

Eyebrow pisamblesum

Eyelid osinipi

Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

Eye socket opposadepi

Tear gland liblapampi

---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi

Nostril taposadepi

---Mouth popopi

Jaw poposopi

Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi

Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi

Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse

Incisor no word yet

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet

Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet

Tongue blampi

--Limb pemia ---Arm pemia

Shoulder maba

Elbow pemiabimbra

Wrist pia webes pampsam

Humerus (upper arm) no word yet

Lower Arm no word yet

Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam

Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa

---Leg pampipi

Hip piam, perara (both plural)

Knee pimbra

Ankle pebapi bliwipi

Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?

Shin no word yet

Foot aspi

Sole no word yet

Ball no word yet

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet ---Nail ebbi

Fingernail ebbi

Toenail ebbi warp aspi

---Toe saweman sampi pia

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet

Pinky toe or little toe no word yet

Other toes? no word yet

---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem

Thumbnail arpebbi

---Finger sempi

Index finger no word yet

Pinky finger no word yet

Middle finger no word yet

Ring finger no word yet

--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals") ---female pupap, labap

vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap

womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa

---male nope, palsip, lupap

penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi

testicle lespapi (plural only)

-Side popapitabi --Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks") --Front jubipi --Left blumperbap --Right porpubat --Bottom (lower) purpa --Top (upper) pimpampi -Orifices --anus parpab --urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

More: buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal clitoris: pubi urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Why more than one word? The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?

Unknown conlang 2

Author: Kuvdamos

Body abba, blassi, ubbalap --Vein tamap wurpap peso --Fat blampilpim, pilpi ---Heart wepse, wawa ---Lung ebo, ebobi --Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi -Neck pia pawa palidapa -Extremity palupopi, pemiabi --Head wibu, pawapi ---Ear uma, sobopi ---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi

Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi

---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi

Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi

Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi

Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse

Wrist pia webes pampsam

Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam

Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa

Hip piam, perara (both plural)

Ankle pebapi bliwipi

Toenail ebbi warp aspi

---Toe saweman sampi pia ---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem ---female pupap, labap

vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap

womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa

---male nope, palsip, lupap

penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi

buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi --Vein tamap wurpap peso --Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi -Neck pia pawa palidapa

Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi

Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi

Wrist pia webes pampsam

Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa

Ankle pebapi bliwipi

Toenail ebbi warp aspi

---Toe saweman sampi pia ---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem Body abba, blassi, ubbalap --Fat blampilpim, pilpi ---Heart wepse, wawa ---Lung ebo, ebobi --Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi -Extremity palupopi, pemiabi --Head wibu, pawapi ---Ear uma, sobopi ---Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi

Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi

---Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi

Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse

Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam

Hip piam, perara (both plural)

---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem ---female pupap, labap

vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap

womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa

---male nope, palsip, lupap

penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi

buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi

Sclera no word yet

Incisor no word yet

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet

Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet

Humerus (upper arm) no word yet

Lower Arm no word yet

Shin no word yet

Sole no word yet

Ball no word yet

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet

Pinky toe or little toe no word yet

Other toes? no word yet

Index finger no word yet

Pinky finger no word yet

Middle finger no word yet

Ring finger no word yet

Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse

Hip piam, perara (both plural)

testicle lespapi (plural only)

--Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks") --urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")

Eyebrow pisamblesum

Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)

Zevino'shoma

Author: Goza Lesha Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm

(For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later.

These are the ones I have words for:

Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga Brain: Shogatu Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Muphridian

Author: Goza Lesha Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:26 pm

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English:

Body Body -Blood vessel Bleed Vessel --Artery Artery --Vein Vein -Material of which it is composed --Bone Bone --Skin Skin --Muscle Muscle --Fat Fat --Blood Bleed -Trunk (torso) Torso --Chest Chest ---Heart Heart ---Lung Lung --Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly ---Stomach Stomach ---Liver Liver ---Spleen Sploon ---Intestines Intestines --Waist Waist -Neck Neck -Extremity Extremity --Head Hed ---Hair Hair ---Ear Ear

Earhole Ear Canal

---Eye Eye

Eyeball Eyeball

Iris Iris

Pupil Pupil

Sclera Sclera

Eyebrow Eyebrow

Eyelid Eyelid

Eyelash Eyelash

Eye socket Eye socket

Tear gland Tear Gland

---Nose Nose

Nostril Nostril

---Mouth Mouth

Jaw Jaw

Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw

Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw

Tooth Tooth

Incisor Incisor

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth

Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar

Tongue Tongue

--Limb Limb ---Arm Arm

Shoulder Shoulder

Elbow Elbow

Wrist Wrist

Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm

Lower Arm Lower Arm

Hand Hand

Palm Palm

---Leg Leg

Hip Hip

Knee Knoo

Ankle Ankle

Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg

Shin Shin

Foot Foot

Sole Sole

Ball Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit ---Nail Nail

Fingernail Fingernail

Toenail Toenail

---Toe Toe

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe

Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe

Other toes? Toes

---Thumb Thumb

Thumbnail Thumbnail

---Finger Finger

Index finger Index Finger

Pinky finger Pinky Finger

Middle finger Middle Finger

Ring finger Ring Finger

--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals ---female Female

vagina Vagina

womb Womb

---male Male

penis Penis

testicle Testicle

-Side Side --Back Back --Front Front --Left Left --Right Right --Bottom (lower) Bottom --Top (upper) Top -Orifices Orifices --anus Anus --urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

nebula wind phone Tšur

Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas, USA

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject:

Sploon! Fabulous! (But shouldn't it be weemb?) _________________ "When I was about 16 it occurred to me that conlanging might be a sin, but I changed my mind when I realized Adam and Eve were doing it before the Fall." —Mercator

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Shm Jay Šalea

Joined: 14 Nov 2002 Location: 5.4.5.2

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject:

What about the oonus?

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(Unknown conlang)

Author: schwhatever Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:15 pm

Wow, I've got almost nothing....

blood - kedes (archaic form: qidis) eye - simah eyes - soemaef lip - zilh muscle - hacaz (also means meat) fat - jeikosc throat - vezop genitalia - vuseis

Zevino'shoma

Author: Goza Lesha

This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later. These are the ones I have words for: Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga Brain: Shogatu Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

Muphridian

Author: Goza Lesha

Body Body -Blood vessel Bleed Vessel --Artery Artery --Vein Vein -Material of which it is composed --Bone Bone --Skin Skin --Muscle Muscle --Fat Fat --Blood Bleed -Trunk (torso) Torso --Chest Chest ---Heart Heart ---Lung Lung --Abdomen or Belly Abdoman, Belly ---Stomach Stomach ---Liver Liver ---Spleen Sploon ---Intestines Intestines --Waist Waist -Neck Neck -Extremity Extremity --Head Hed ---Hair Hair ---Ear Ear

Earhole Ear Canal

---Eye Eye

Eyeball Eyeball

Iris Iris

Pupil Pupil

Sclera Sclera

Eyebrow Eyebrow

Eyelid Eyelid

Eyelash Eyelash

Eye socket Eye socket

Tear gland Tear Gland

---Nose Nose

Nostril Nostril

---Mouth Mouth

Jaw Jaw

Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla, Upper Jaw

Mandible (lower jaw) Mandible, Lower Jaw

Tooth Tooth

Incisor Incisor

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Canine Tooth

Molar (and/or premolar?) Molar, premolar

Tongue Tongue

--Limb Limb ---Arm Arm

Shoulder Shoulder

Elbow Elbow

Wrist Wrist

Humerus (upper arm) Humerus, Upper Arm

Lower Arm Lower Arm

Hand Hand

Palm Palm

---Leg Leg

Hip Hip

Knee Knoo

Ankle Ankle

Thigh (upper leg) Thigh, upper leg

Shin Shin

Foot Foot

Sole Sole

Ball Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) Digit ---Nail Nail

Fingernail Fingernail

Toenail Toenail

---Toe Toe

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) Big Toe

Pinky toe or little toe Little Toe

Other toes? Toes

---Thumb Thumb

Thumbnail Thumbnail

---Finger Finger

Index finger Index Finger

Pinky finger Pinky Finger

Middle finger Middle Finger

Ring finger Ring Finger

--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! Genitals ---female Female

vagina Vagina

womb Womb

---male Male

penis Penis

testicle Testicle

-Side Side --Back Back --Front Front --Left Left --Right Right --Bottom (lower) Bottom --Top (upper) Top -Orifices Orifices --anus Anus --urethral meatus? Urethral Meatus

My favorite one in the list is sploon. (spleen would be the plural)

Mèlw

Author: Radagast Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:30 am

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

Seat of life: blood Seat of emotion: stomach Seat of conciousness: eyes

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/) _________________ Humani nihil a me alienum sit

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

Radagast wrote:

Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure.

That's the kind of thing I wanted to know about. What's the answer for Mèlw?

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw: Seat of life: blood Seat of emotion: stomach Seat of conciousness: eyes

Thanks.

Radagast wrote:

(nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

Interesting! Thanks.

Tom H.C. in MI _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Radagast Šalea

Joined: 21 May 2005 Location: Mexico

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients. _________________ Humani nihil a me alienum sit

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Vernaclerian

Author: Delalyra Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:23 pm

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness." _________________ [dEl.@."lir\.@] <-- correct pronunciation of my username.

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Goza Lesha Endi

Joined: 08 Oct 2006

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:53 pm    Post subject:

Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

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Palhàwan

Author: Raluv Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:56 pm

I have a few in Palhàwan:

body - ë̀yro head - ë̀yròi hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar mouth - lhàma nose - tìa eye - àsþol ear - fazs tooth - b̀àma tongue )- dàðel neck - wonh arm - telumàrel hand - telùmar knee - wòxin leg - wòxel foot - woxh heart - selùmel skin -nìam blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head

Seat of Emotion: Heart

Seat of Consciousness: Head

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 am    Post subject:

Radagast wrote:

Mèlw doesn't allow bodypart affixation it only incorporates patients.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

THC wrote:

What's the name of your conlang?

Sorry, it's called Pabappa.

Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Quote:

Why more than one word?

The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.

Kind of what I thought. Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually.

Let us know? Thanks.

Kuvdamos wrote:

Is this all going to a database somewhere

I wish!

Kuvdamos wrote:

or are you just curious?

'Fraid so. My own computer has no internet connection; "my" internet connection is not on my own computer. It takes more technical skill than I have been able to acquire as yet to put all this in a database someplace. But, if Janko can do it, I should be able to as well, shouldn't I? I just don't know how.

Delalyra wrote:

Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

Interesting; thanks. (I have been told -- I don't know whether it's true -- that in "modern western" societies, men tend to see certain parts of their bodies as the "center of their sexual attractiveness", whereas women OTOH see each and every part of their bodies as the "center(?) of their sexual attractiveness". Your Vernaclerians' thinking that each part of their body is the "seat of life" sounds a little like the latter. But do they feel that way about hair and nails? And excretions such as sweat and saliva and earwax?)

Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language) What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

Raluv wrote:

I have a few in Palhàwan: body - ë̀yro head - ë̀yròi hair (mass)- lëyrotelùmar mouth - lhàma nose - tìa eye - àsþol ear - fazs tooth - b̀àma tongue )- dàðel neck - wonh arm - telumàrel hand - telùmar knee - wòxin leg - wòxel foot - woxh heart - selùmel skin -nìam blood -mìrim

Seat of Life: Head Seat of Emotion: Heart Seat of Consciousness: Head

Thanks. "telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they? "wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they? Are there other relationships I've missed? Thanks again.

Thanks again, everyone!

Tom H.C. in MI _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Socialese

Author: Eddy Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:44 am

Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

Gevey

Author: Rik Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:55 pm

Gevey does better than I expected on body parts - lots of words/concepts still missing, though. Most of these words have been generated to meet various translation exercise requirements:

Simple animate status body parts: aelne (aeln) ear bazhjarhe (bazhjarh) thumb bazhve (bazhev) finger becye (beceey) skin khuane (khuant) womb me'he (met) throat shaawe (shaawg) hand shkipe (shkip) heart shlune (shlum) nose, snout slofre (slofehr) head wanhe (wang) eye woole (wool) face, visage yeetse (yeetes) tongue zwi'he (zwit) blood

Inanimate status body parts: cesuu (cesk) body, torso drestuu (drest) forehead ezekuu (ezek) foot, paw friskuu (frisk) guts, intestines ghimuu (ghim) muscle grupuu (grup) hair, fur, wool joejuu (joej) leg koguu (kog) bone osucuu (osuc) stomach, belly poyuu (poy) chin raekhwuu (raekhouwg) shoulder rhuuluu (rhuul) tooth shewuu (shewg) back, saddle shnaathuu (shnaath) placenta storuu (stor) chest ubulhuu (ubul) neck vroiduu (vroid) arm zdanuu (zdant) skull

Body products (all inanimate status): thakluu becyizhuu (yuu becyizhuu thakel) spot, zit ma'haelhuu (ma'hael) urine, piss ma'haelhuu zdanizhuu (yuu zdanizhuu ma'hael) phlegm mabecyuu (mabeceey) sweat zwibecyuu (zwibeceey) scab

Neo-Khitanese (Kilda)

The language has a pretty well worked out vocabulary in this area. What I give below is strictly for human bodies; there's often special terminology for talking about the analogous parts of different animals. Body-part terminology shows a lot of irregular plurals (duals, one could argue), and even some odd singular forms where the default is plural/dual. There's a fairly distinct register of "baby speech" which I've included here. The orthography is the sort used in native typography; no distinction of front/back "i" vowels or of vowel length; note that {c, j} = alveopalatal affricates [tS], [dZ].

Body

Blood vessel: hunggikta, no lexical differentiation between veins and arteries (obsolete: sodun, now meaning "pulse")
Material of which it is composed
1. Bone: giramda (babytalk: foni)
2. Gristle or cartilage: tadaksa
3. Skin: kilfa
4. Muscle: sümü
5. Fat: nimükse (usu. restricted to abdominal fat deposits)
6. Blood: sekse (babytalk: misi-misi)
Trunk (torso): tünggen (see chest below)
1. Chest: tünggen, refers both to upper torso and the torso as a whole (obsolete: kengkütir, "chest, ribcage")
  1. Heart: mêwan (babytalk: ling-ling)
  2. Lung: pagun, pl. pagad
2. Abdomen or Belly: nangka "abdomen, belly; stomach"; refers to both the area and the innards.
  1. Stomach: nangka "belly; stomach" or fükin "stomach, intestines" (babytalk: pisi-bisi)
  2. Liver: pakin
  3. Spleen: dilkin
  4. Intestines: fükin "stomach, intestines"
3. Waist: darama "hips" and enggeñe "waist, lower flanks"
Neck: minggön "neck", silde "nape of neck", ceken "front of throat, larynx; jowls"
Extremity
1. Head: dil, köbül (syn.) (babytalk: pa-pa)
  1. Hair: ñürikte, kümid (syn., on head and in general; babytalk equivalents numa, cik-cik); tikta "body hair"; dêki "facial hair
  2. Ear: šên
    1. Earhole: šên kobin (lit. "cavity of the ear")
    2. Earlobe: TBD
  3. Eye: isa (babytalk: nübi); the eye as it appears in the face
    1. Eyeball: ñündün (the organ in the strict sense)
      1. Iris: TBD
      2. Pupil: TBD
      3. Sclera: TBD
    2. Eyebrow: kamig (sg. kam)
    3. Eyelid: kömdekte
      1. Eyelash: kirimki
    4. Eye socket: isa kobin (lit. "cavity of the eye")
    5. Tear gland: TBD
  4. Nose: onggara (formal), ñarak (vernacular, lit. "snot-container"), yakkan (slang), kaiko (babytalk)
    1. Nostril: kangša, pl. kanggid
  5. Mouth: amga, šekše (syn.)
    1. Jaw: kebi
      1. Maxilla (upper jaw): TBD
      2. Mandible (lower jaw): kebi
    2. Tooth: kikta (babytalk: kip-kep, pl. kiped [yes, Kilda infant-speak has irregular plurals])
      1. Incisor: TBD for human bodyparts
      2. Eyetooth or Canine Tooth: TBD for human bodyparts
      3. Molar (and/or premolar?): TBD for human bodyparts
    3. Tongue: necil (babytalk: hilengki, lit. "licker")
2. Limb: no unitary term
  1. Arm: no unitary term
    1. Shoulder: tannun, pl. tanud (idiomatic/obsolete: mire); kende "shoulderblade, shoulder bone"
    2. Elbow: hiñcen "elbow (joint)", sirmüsik "elbow (bone)"
    3. Wrist: bilen "wrist (joint)", kombuki "wrist (bones)"
    4. Humerus (upper arm): bokto
    5. Lower Arm: sötö, pl. sitüt
    6. Hand: gala
      1. Palm: mañjan (and note maniran "back of the hand")
  2. Leg: begdi "foot, leg"
    1. Hip: ogo "hips, pelvis" (literary: uldug)
      1. buttock (if different): pikangga (polite), puk-puk (vernacular and babytalk), künggüki (vulgar)
    2. Knee: söjö, pl. süjid (babytalk: kokobo); also cöjökü, pl. celköt "hollow behind the knee", pengjen "knee joint", töbgi "kneecap (bone)"
    3. Ankle: cimenek, cimnek
    4. Thigh (upper leg): talpi (literary: uldug)
    5. Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle): silbi
      1. Shin: silbi
      2. Calf: cakci "calf muscle, back of lower leg"
    6. Foot: begdi "foot, leg"; also ölmi "top/upper part of foot"
      1. Sole: fata
      2. Heel: ningti
      3. Ball: N/A
3. Digit (toe or thumb or finger): no unitary term
  1. Nail: osikta (with long vowel in second syllable; minimal pair with initial-long osikta "star")
    1. Fingernail: no separate term
    2. Toenail: no separate term
  2. Toe: cimki
    1. Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe): TBD
    2. Pinky toe or little toe: TBD
    3. Other individual toes?: TBD
  3. Thumb: perüken, tamka (syn.)
    1. Thumbnail: TBD or N/A
  4. Finger: huñakan (babytalk: kekkö, pl. kikêd)
    1. Index finger: talgalan; also tikalan "middle or ring finger, either or both of the two inside fingers"
    2. Pinky finger: cimcen
    3. Middle finger: TBD, see above
    4. Ring finger: tunglik
4. Genitalia
  1. female
    1. vagina: koñju (polite), köppön, kapilak (slang), kwappa (vulgar), paku (intimate), bi-bi (babytalk)
    2. womb: doptun
  2. male
    1. penis: cicük (formal/polite), lölö (vernacular/slang), ci-ci (babytalk)
    2. testicle: nama (babytalk: noki)
Side
1. Back: sogdonso "back", ñiri "backbone, spine"
2. Front: tünggen "chest, breast"
3. Left: ñiligdi "left (adj.)", ñiliski "leftwards, to the left"; also šucaka "left-handed (of person, etc.)"
4. Right: anggu, maran "right (adj.)", angguski, marangku "rightward, to the right" (syn.)
5. Bottom (lower): ütilme "lower" (general; not specific to body)
6. Top (upper): ügi:gde "upper" (general; not specific to body)
Orifices
1. anus: ilmi
2. urethral meatus?: TBD

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes? Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns? With the exception of directional terms, no; they're all nouns/nominals, and are mostly substantives.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Probably the stomach.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? The liver and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? The brain (tarki) in modern times, but in different idiomatic contexts, it can be various other body parts, including the feet.

Ttuan

A list of the body parts, in the Ttuan language. All words are monosyllables, combined in most cases into pairs or trios. Ttuan is atonal, but pronunciation is precise.

Body: Byae pyin.

Blood vessel: Rien tyin.

Artery: Rien tyin haing.

Vein: Rien tyin hain.

Bone: Tuan.

Cartilage: Tua

Skin: Guo tyi.

Muscle: Guong thei.

Fat: Pying byae.

Blood: Rien.

Torso: Byae byae.

Chest: Byae kai.

Heart: Rieng ghon.

Lung: Huōng byae.

Abdomen: Ghuong fu.

Belly: Fu kai.

Stomach: Fu tying.

Liver: Puing.

Spleen: Hsyu rien.

Intestines: Qyon tyi.

Waist: Byō paen.

Neck: Tsōn dyeng.

Extremity: D’ye ve.

Head: Dyeng jung.

Hair [on head]: Pyang ºō

Hair [body]: Pyang ºyō.

Ear: Fuin jung.

Earhole: Pue fuin.

Earlobe: Fuin ghein.

Eye: Th’en.

Eyeball: Th’en tsōng.

Iris: Th’en ssuang.

Pupil: Th’en ghon.

Sclera: [??]

Eyebrow: Hueng shain.

Eyelid: Th’en twin.

Eyelash: Pyang shain.

Eye socket: Th’en jung.

Tear gland: Th’en hsyu.

Nose: Ssuein.

Nostril: Kuie ssuein.

Mouth: Kuie khuien.

Jaw: Khuien thei.

Jaw, upper: cf MAXILLA

Jaw, lower: cf MANDIBLE

Maxilla (upper jaw): Khuien jung.

Mandible (lower jaw): Khuien byuung.

Tooth: Tuang (khien).

Incisor: Tuang

Canine Tooth: Tuang kieng.

Molar (and/or premolar?): Tuang zhō.

Tongue: Hsueing khuien.

Limb: Zhie d’ye.

Arm: Dyen.

Shoulder: Kyaing.

Elbow: Byuung.

Wrist: Fie qō.

Humerus: Tuan buōng.

Biceps: Guong buōng.

Arm, upper: Dyen buōng.

Forearm: Dyen tong.

Hand: Qō.

Hands, both: Qōn.

Palm: Ghyong qō.

Leg: D’ye.

Hip: Byō byae.

Buttock: Byō chua.

Knee: Thyong.

Patella: Thyong khuōn.

Ankle: Fie ssyun.

Thigh: Byōn (dyen, guong, thei).

Shank: D’ye ton.

Shin: Ton kai.

Calf: Ton chuan.

Foot: Ssyun.

Sole: Ghyong ssyun.

Heel: Byuung ssyun.

Ball (of foot): Ghyo ssyun ven ºuun.

Digit (toe or thumb or finger): Ghyo.

Nail: Tua Ghyo.

Fingernail: Tua ghyo qō.

Toenail: Tua ghyo ssyun.

Toe: Ghyo ssyun.

Pollex (Big Toe): Tua ghyo ven.

Toe, big: cf POLLEX.

Little toe: Tua ghyo rain.

Other individual toes? [No]

Thumb: ºe qō

Thumbnail: Tua (thumb).

Finger: Ghyo qō.

Index finger: Ghyo fyōng.

Pinky finger: Ghyo ºe.

Middle finger: Ghyo ghon.

Ring finger: Ghyon zyin.

Vagina: Kuie ºwō.

Womb: Kuie tyin.

penis: (Twin, tua, paeng, jyōng, …) ºyō

Testicle: Jein ºyō.

Side (of body): Qin qyain.

Ribcage: Qyain tuan.

Back (of body): Byae chuan.

Posterior: Chua.

Anterior: Kai.

Left-handed: Gho.

Right-handed: Ghong.

Bottom (lower): Khin

Top (upper): Lyain.

Orifices: Kuie.

Anus: Kuie hsyae.

Urethral meatus: R’ying ºwō rien.

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Joined: 15 Jun 2005 Location: Deliriously Happy [2.7.9.1]

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:46 pm    Post subject:

daryush wrote: amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish. _________________ [dEl.@."lir\.@] <-- correct pronunciation of my username.

<Rhob> I have a fetish for women.

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Whimemsz Šalea

Joined: 20 Jun 2003 Location: Gimaamaa onibaaganing

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:52 pm    Post subject:

daryush wrote: Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something? _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:56 pm    Post subject:

Delalyra wrote:

daryush wrote:

amazing pictures

Oh my god, that is truly amazing. Is that your conlang? ...it reminds me of turkish.

Whimemsz wrote:

daryush wrote:

Here u go

That looks...remarkably similar to Turkish. Is it derived from Turkish, or a conTurkic lang or something?

What they said. Amazing, Turkish-oid, all of it.

Tom H.C. in MI _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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daryush Mey

Joined: 23 Jul 2006

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject:

It was originally an auxlang for Turkish before I decided to build a conworld around it ... so yeah, its absurdly heavily influenced (there is quite a bit of con- in it, though )

Thanks for the comments btw _________________ Gremlins wrote: Dice don't boing.

Conworld site

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Goza Lesha Endi

Joined: 08 Oct 2006

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: Goza Lesha wrote:

Terran humans for this: (Muphridian language) What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Heart What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Heart What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Brain

Thanks. I'm getting curious about these Muphridians. Where do you have their conhistory stored?

I don't have much of the history of the Muphridian language (or the Muphridians), but there is a general overview there of the history, and the language here: http://scjuwiki.azivelar.net/wiki/Muphridian_Language. (under construction)

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schwhatever Šalea

Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Location: NorCal

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:18 pm    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: What's the name of your conlang?

Faranit. Although there is a little ambiguity.

TomHChappell wrote: schwhatever wrote:

eye - simah eyes - soemaef

Interesting! Is this suppletive, or irregular, or what? Is "soemaef" dual or plural? How are the forms "simah" and "soemaef" derived one from the other?

It's left over from an older plural system similar to German's lengthening system. I haven't worked out the specifics yet, unfortunately. It irregular, but with some method to its madness, as you can see the remnents of the earlier plural system, but also a worn down version of the later -(I/E)b system.

Quote: schwhatever wrote:

lip - zilh

I left that out. Should I have included it? I'm glad you got my suggestion that people should include anything they thought of, even if I'd left it out.

Maybe? It was buried in my lexicon and I thought I might as well...

Quote: schwhatever wrote:

throat - vezop

Is that the same as "neck", or different?

No, it's the same.

Quote: schwhatever wrote:

muscle - hacaz (also means meat)

Good; these probably should be the same word in many languages.

Thanks. _________________ Jar Jar Binks wrote: Now, by making just a few small changes, we prettify the orthography for happier socialist tomorrow! Xonen wrote: ^ WHS. Except for the log thing and the Andean panpipers.

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Sano Šalea

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Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:37 pm    Post subject:

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MustangDan15 Për

Joined: 17 Jul 2006 Location: Boise, ID

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:41 pm    Post subject:

Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents. _________________ "I'd rather talk about something pleasant - like a nuclear war." - William Allen of Boeing in response to visitor about if first 747 crashed

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Sano Šalea

Joined: 09 Sep 2004

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:42 pm    Post subject:

MustangDan15 wrote: Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might. _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject:

Thanks, Sano.

Sano wrote:

MustangDan15 wrote: Might be easier on everyone's eyes if you placed the Qatama words adjacent to their English equivalents.

Yeah, it might.

Qatama: English:

anaq head anuq ear(s) ongo eye(s) okota heart toru back taruya hip/waist tara belly/stomach utar chest/breast nogra feet/toes anuja leg udan hand/arm qongo joint gan bone gua mouth/face ogua facial hair uha skin udanju fingers/knuckles dong nose g'tla shoulder qono muscle anaqra neck guata teeth guaja tongue unuq hair

-Khang

1) Did I do that right?

2) Why did you quote yourself? 2a) Apparently you had already answered this question in some other post. Where? and what post?

3) The word "nogra feet/toes" reminds me a bit of Russian; but the rest of the list doesn't remind me of any language in particular. Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Again, Thanks.

Tom H.C. in MI _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Sano Šalea

Joined: 09 Sep 2004

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject:

Quote: Did I do that right?

Better than I did.

Quote: Why did you quote yourself?, Where?

ease, CBB

Quote: Is Qatama intended to be related to any natlang?

Not at all. _________________

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sintau.tayua Mey

Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Location: Taranaki (taradise!)

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

TomHChappell wrote: What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

1) the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

2)The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

3) The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

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Old Man Neek Šalea

Joined: 30 Sep 2002 Location: im itësin

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

TomHChappell wrote: What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here.

The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó.

The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:

A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things.

The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain.

When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart.

Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver.

I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

[Edit]Dumb grammar. _________________

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Raluv Endi

Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Location: Kansas

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:39 pm    Post subject:

Quote:

"telumàrel" and "telùmar" look related; are they? "wòxin", "wòxel", and "woxh" look related; are they? Are there other relationships I've missed?

The suffix "-el" means something like "the source of." So "telùmar" is hand, and "telumàrel" is literally "hand source", or the arm. With "woxh," which is foot, the h is silent and then dropped when the suffix is added making "wòxel," or leg. "Wòxin" is foot with the suffix for what equates to "middle." There are a few more like "ë̀ro" and "ë̀roi" for body and head. "ërotelùmar," meaning hair, is also related believe it or not, to hand, literally meaning "little hands."

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Radioguy Mey

Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Location: Golden Temple, Bham

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:02 pm    Post subject:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these ---female

vagina

womb

---male

penis

testicle

but capitalizes all the others. Someone is ashamed of their sexuality! _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject:

Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these ---female

vagina

womb

---male

penis

testicle

but capitalizes all the others. Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no; it just slipped my mind completely! I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started. The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

Tom H.C. in MI _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Radioguy Mey

Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Location: Golden Temple, Bham

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: Radioguy wrote:

I like how the OP uses lowercase in these ---female

vagina

womb

---male

penis

testicle

but capitalizes all the others. Someone is ashamed of their sexuality!

I'm not ashamed of it, no; it just slipped my mind completely! I had to go back and put them in. I had been intending to include them when I started. The reason for the different capitalization patterns is just that I did them at different times.

Tom H.C. in MI

It's awwwwwwwwwwwwwright I should have my post here by the end of the week. _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 4:40 pm    Post subject:

Radioguy wrote:

I should have my post here by the end of the week.

I'm still looking forward to it. Thanks. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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bulbaquil Endi

Joined: 17 Nov 2006

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman) tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`] tongue - šuun [s`u:n] alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L] palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h] velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm] uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx] glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875 _________________ 有声両唇摩擦音は僕の友達だ。

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Boskobènet Gent

Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere north of Dixieland

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s) gums palate uvula throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing) throat, thrachea, windpipe breast, tit, teat nipple belly button tendon forehead temple bladder calf butt, buttocks, ass/arse pelvis spine, backbone skull rib(s) / ribcage

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"? _________________ Òmiç lumei ge lòmtau vi ge bleiskou, ge tiltau vi ge vighou, ge kivo vi ge prèhou.

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Turtlehead Šalea

Joined: 07 May 2005 Location: Aotearoa

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

Body Kanana -Blood vessel aka --Artery akala --Vein akawana -Material of which it is composed --Bone ohakao --Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala --Skin lamaha --Muscle kako --Fat lapala --Blood koko -Trunk (torso) koho --Chest hahaka ---Heart 'alona ---Lung lana --Abdomen or Belly po'o ---Stomach 'ahakalo ---Liver lawala ---Spleen hapalana ---Intestines po'oloko --Waist hopa -Neck na'a -Extremity --Head opo'o ---Hair ma'awa ---Ear kalana

Earhole

Earlobe?

---Eye 'alo

Eyeball

Iris

Pupil

Sclera

Eyebrow

Eyelid

Eyelash

Eye socket

Tear gland

---Nose aho

Nostril

---Mouth waha

Jaw

Maxilla (upper jaw)

Mandible (lower jaw)

Tooth

Incisor

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth

Molar (and/or premolar?)

Tongue

--Limb ---Arm lana

Shoulder

Elbow

Wrist

Humerus (upper arm)

Lower Arm

Hand

Palm

---Leg wawa

Hip

Knee

Ankle

Thigh (upper leg)

Shin

Foot

Sole

Heel

Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ---Nail

Fingernail

Toenail

---Toe

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)

Pinky toe or little toe

Other individual toes?

---Thumb

Thumbnail

---Finger

Index finger

Pinky finger

Middle finger

Ring finger

--genitalia ---female

vagina kala

womb halapapa

---male

penis ola

testicle paopao

-Side kaha --Back mola --Front moa --Left maoa --Right makao --Bottom (lower) lalo --Top (upper) lona --anus anoho _________________ Cliciwch Yma

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Arunaza Tšur

Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Location: Nouvelle Angleterre

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:26 am    Post subject:

Sdannískr

Lihhámr (body) -Flǽskr (flesh) --Bǽnr (bone) --Flǽskr (flesh) --Kríǥr (strength--muscle) --Tálgr (fat) --Bloðís (blood) -Búlr (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso) --Bármr (chest) ---Hǽrto (heart) ---Lúnǥwr (lung) ---Brýstr (breast) --Hrǽfr (abdomen) --Gérþ (waist) -Hálsr (neck) -Strǽkætiwr (limbs, lit. "extendeds") --Hǿvuð (head) ---Hǽrr (hair) ---Ǿro (ear) ---Ǿǥa (eye)

Bréhwo (eyelash)

---Snútr (nose) ---Múnþr (mouth)

Kǿko (jaw)

Tánþr (tooth)

Túngo (tongue)

--Lím (limb) ---Ármr (harm)

Sklúðro (shoulder)

Wrístr (wrist)

Múndr (hand)

Lófr (palm)

---Hýpr (hip) ---Kníw (knee) ---Ánkulwr (ankle) ---Þýhr (thigh) ---Skíno (shin) ---Fót (foot)

Lǽstr (sole)

Hahílr (heel)

--Fíngrr (toe or thumb or finger) ---Tǽhwo (toe) ---Ðúmo (thumb) --Grúnd (groin) --Fúlwatos (genitals/groin area, lit. "hiddens") ---Blédr (bladder) ---Ársr (butt)

Arskúlr (anus)

---Kwénir (woman)

Slít (vagina)

Wámb (womb)

---Mánnr (man)

Sǽkkr (scrotum)

Fýrnr (penis)

Bállukr (testicle)

-Síðo (side) --Hrýng (back) --Fǿro (front) --Hlǿmr (left) --Ríhtr (right) --Bóð (bottom) _________________ TomHChappell wrote: Gazariah wrote: You mean the gnomic aorist. Contrast with the "aortic gnomist", a physician who specializes in the cardiovascular ailments of earth-elementals.

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Waldkater Tšur

Joined: 15 Oct 2002 Location: Leipzig

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Body - elwer - ellor -Blood vessel - uía - clœya --Artery - súloŋ --Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed --Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod --Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha --Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@] --Muscle - deuma - tóimma --Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj] --Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@] -Trunk (torso) --Chest - ámos ---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w] ---Lung - sválode - sbállod --Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm ---Stomach - byallo - beáll ---Liver - bóyar - póughar ---Spleen - quellego ---Pancreas - felgeustar ---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@] --Waist -Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l] -Extremity --Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn] ---Hair - fille - híll ---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]

Earhole

Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma

---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]

Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)

Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]

Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]

Sclera

Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth

Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth

Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag

Eye socket - sattuce

Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)

---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg

Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog

---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga

Jaw - vaugo - vóugh

Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo

Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo

Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág

Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)

Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)

Tongue - maiga - máigga

--Limb ---Arm - lámo - láom

Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]

Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]

Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]

Humerus (upper arm)

Lower Arm

Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]

Palm - yéna

---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]

Hip - rωbe - rúaibh

Knee - nébos - néobhas

Ankle

Thigh (upper leg)

Shin

Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]

Sole - sumba

Heel

Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-

Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)

Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)

---Toe - derdon ---Thumb - duntice ---Finger - dún - tún --My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! ---female - quenwe

vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)

womb - urwa - urbha

---male - donya

penis - litto - líott [Lit]

testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh

-Orifices --anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis pus - peugema _________________ Sé da o• dáire an gudd’ a• ráilla. Hal’ tso tsoissan i• théinn’ an chursad ton.

(Fate is like a gorilla in a cage – it throws dung at you if you mock it)

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 12:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

bulbaquil wrote:

Beftokan's still a new conlang (only about 150 words in the lexicon to date), but it does have most of the points of consonantal articulation noted (linguistics is a living science in Beftok), so I'll list them here:

lip - èman [e_M.ma_Ln] (paucal: kaèman) tooth - ghîš [GI_Hs`] tongue - šuun [s`u:n] alveolar ridge - gìkew [gi_M.ke_L.M_L] palate - bugháth [bu_L.Ga_Ht_h] velum - ughom [u_L.GO_Lm] uvula - bháplekh [Ba_H.plE_Lx] glottis - durtan [du_L4.ta_Ln]

All body parts, including these, are considered to be part of the "human" noun class, and will decline according to it once I post the grammar.

-- Bulbaquil, 13 bhal. 875

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

I just thought of several terms one might include here. Not all of them will apply to all non-human species, but I've bolded the ones I think are essential, or at least very likely to be used among humans.

lip(s) gums palate uvula throat, esophagus ("I've got something in my neck" doesn't mean ... quite the same thing) throat, thrachea, windpipe breast, tit, teat nipple belly button tendon forehead temple bladder calf butt, buttocks, ass/arse pelvis spine, backbone skull rib(s) / ribcage

Interesting! Thanks.

Boskobènet wrote:

How could you forget "breast" and "ass/arse"?

"Breast" might not apply to non-mammals. Nevertheless it should be included. Thanks for bringing it up. "Ass/arse" should obviously apply to nearly any animal, even sea-squirts. Thanks for including it.

Turtlehead wrote:

Body Kanana -Blood vessel aka --Artery akala --Vein akawana -Material of which it is composed --Bone ohakao --Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) lahala --Skin lamaha --Muscle kako --Fat lapala --Blood koko -Trunk (torso) koho --Chest hahaka ---Heart 'alona ---Lung lana --Abdomen or Belly po'o ---Stomach 'ahakalo ---Liver lawala ---Spleen hapalana ---Intestines po'oloko --Waist hopa -Neck na'a -Extremity --Head opo'o ---Hair ma'awa ---Ear kalana

Earhole

Earlobe?

---Eye 'alo

Eyeball

Iris

Pupil

Sclera

Eyebrow

Eyelid

Eyelash

Eye socket

Tear gland

---Nose aho

Nostril

---Mouth waha

Jaw

Maxilla (upper jaw)

Mandible (lower jaw)

Tooth

Incisor

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth

Molar (and/or premolar?)

Tongue

--Limb ---Arm lana

Shoulder

Elbow

Wrist

Humerus (upper arm)

Lower Arm

Hand

Palm

---Leg wawa

Hip

Knee

Ankle

Thigh (upper leg)

Shin

Foot

Sole

Heel

Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ---Nail

Fingernail

Toenail

---Toe

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe)

Pinky toe or little toe

Other individual toes?

---Thumb

Thumbnail

---Finger

Index finger

Pinky finger

Middle finger

Ring finger

--genitalia ---female

vagina kala

womb halapapa

---male

penis ola

testicle paopao

-Side kaha --Back mola --Front moa --Left maoa --Right makao --Bottom (lower) lalo --Top (upper) lona --anus anoho

Interesting! Thanks.

Arunaza wrote:

Svannískar

Lik-hámar (body) -Flǽskar (flesh) --Bǽnar (bone) --Flǽskar (flesh) --Krígar (strength--muscle) --Tálgar (fat) --Bloðísøam (blood) -Búlar (trunk, usually of a tree, but also a term for torso) --Bármar (chest) ---Hérto (heart) ---Lúnġwar (lung) --Hrǽfir (abdomen) --Gérþu (waist) -Hálsar (neck) -Strǽkætiwir (limbs, lit. "extendeds") --Haúbuðam (head) ---Hǽrar (hair) ---Aúro (ear) ---Aúġa (eye)

Bréhwo (eyelash)

---Snútar (nose) ---Múnþar (mouth)

Kaúko (jaw)

Tánþar (tooth)

Túngo (tongue)

--Límu (limb) ---Ármar (harm)

Sklúðro (shoulder)

Urístir (wrist)

Múndar (hand)

Lófar (palm)

---Hýpir (hip) ---Kníwam (knee) ---Ánkulwar (ankle) ---Þýhar (thigh) ---Skíno (shin) ---Fótam (foot)

Lǽstar (sole)

Hahílar (heel)

--Fíngrar (toe or thumb or finger) ---Tǽhwo (toe) ---Ðúmo (thumb) --Fúlwatar (genitals, lit. "hiddens") ---Kwénir (woman)

Slítam (vagina)

Wámbam

---Mánnar (man)

Fýrnir (penis)

Bállukar (testicle)

-Síðo (side) --Hrýggam (back) --Faúro (front) --Hleúmar (left) --Ríhtar (right) --Bóðam (bottom)

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand. Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

Waldkater wrote:

Body - elwer - ellor -Blood vessel - uía - clœya --Artery - súloŋ --Vein - coluía ("bluish blood vessel")

-Material of which it is composed --Bone - σá (σaxx-)/ σaxxode - shacchod --Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) - δoσσa - dóssha --Skin - sár (sarc-)/ sarca - chámha ["xA:w@] --Muscle - deuma - tóimma --Fat - gyom (gyób-) - ceóimb [cOmj] --Blood - sur (surg-) - tía [ci:@] -Trunk (torso) --Chest - ámos ---Heart - céo - chéomh [CE:w] ---Lung - sválode - sbállod --Abdomen or Belly - lomme - lóimm ---Stomach - byallo - beáll ---Liver - bóyar - póughar ---Spleen - quellego ---Pancreas - felgeustar ---Intestines - zoibe, unyode - dsóibe [dzObj@] --Waist -Neck - dyalle - áirdeall [Ar\J\6l] -Extremity --Head - oan (oand-) - lúivan ["lu:vj@n], mhand [wAn] ---Hair - fille - híll ---Ear - lωm (lωv-) - lúabh ["lu:@v]

Earhole

Earlobe? - tulma - tsulma

---Eye - sáde - sáitt [sac]

Eyeball - sassum (eye ball)

Iris - tiŋyen - tsínge [tSINj@]

Pupil - marya - máira ["mA:r\@]

Sclera

Eyebrow - círes (círeθ-) - chíreth

Eyelid - fánes (fáneθ-) - fáinneth

Eyelash - satwaco - sátmhag

Eye socket - sattuce

Tear gland - sádelos (sadeloσσ-)

---Nose - tús (túy-) - áippeg

Nostril - túyoce - tsúghog

---Mouth - beuta - tsúiga

Jaw - vaugo - vóugh

Maxilla (upper jaw) - arvaugo

Mandible (lower jaw) - survaugo

Tooth - náŋ (nág-) - nág

Incisor - ctainaŋ (cteinag-)

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth - sηnaŋ (sηnag-)

Molar (and/or premolar?) - aunaŋ (aunag-)

Tongue - maiga - máigga

--Limb ---Arm - lámo - láom

Shoulder - marθa - mártha [mArh@]

Elbow - láδer - láidher ["lA:j\@r\]

Wrist - gyalláδer - gealláidher [J\@"lA:j\@r]

Humerus (upper arm)

Lower Arm

Hand - gyán - geán [J\An]

Palm - yéna

---Leg - baŋ (bang-) - páinge, háidda [hAJ\@]

Hip - rωbe - rúaibh

Knee - nébos - néobhas

Ankle

Thigh (upper leg)

Shin

Foot - δos (δoi-) - dóigh [dOj]

Sole - sumba

Heel

Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ---Nail - caŋ (cág-) - chág-

Fingernail - gyácaŋ (gyácag-)

Toenail - δoicaŋ (δoicag-)

---Toe - derdon ---Thumb - duntice ---Finger - dún - tún --My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! ---female - quenwe

vagina - θeíma (vulg.: morma)

womb - urwa - urbha

---male - donya

penis - litto - líott [Lit]

testicle - byólos (byoloσσ-) - beóllosh

-Orifices --anus - roξo

Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Yes, e.g. -los < loσσo (sack) in byólos 'testicle' and sádelas 'tear gland'

Interesting! Thanks.

Waldkater wrote:

The other body liquids you haven't got mentioned:

urine - fulbis pus - peugema

Thanks for mentioning them. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Waldkater Tšur

Archeía

Joined: 15 Oct 2002 Location: Leipzig

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject:

Quote: Waldkater wrote:

English - Archeía - Séillethear Chéighea - Trial: Sorosya Cheía

Not quite sure I understand. Are you talking about "trial number"? (A grammatical number for when a noun refers to exactly three items; distinguished from dual (two) and paucal (few).)

ohh... sorry - Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later _________________ Sé da o• dáire an gudd’ a• ráilla. Hal’ tso tsoissan i• théinn’ an chursad ton.

(Fate is like a gorilla in a cage – it throws dung at you if you mock it)

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Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject:

Radioguy wrote: I should have my post here by the end of the week.

@Radioguy, did you ever post here?

Waldkater wrote: Actually I planned a third column with a third conlang, another unfinished daughter language of Archeía (I should have written "preview", not "trial") but i was too lazy later

Thanks. Do you have any more you'd like to show us now? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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-Klaivas- Šalea

Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Location: Ebrauc

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject:

Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts!

Head - dú Nose - amar Eye - škíol Mouth - armu Ear - níu Chin - va Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd Throat / Neck - damá

Shoulder - issun Chest / Stomach - núa Sides - gatod Back - rammrót Hip / Waist - fúv

Arm / Leg - skaro Back of arm / Back of leg - orga Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull Finger / Toe - ram Knee / Elbow - aitait

Flaccid penis - pelúa Erect penis - lakkuš Scrotum / Testes - ssap 'Gooch' - emrát Vagina - tlaš a feu Anus - tlaš Buttock - mappíok _________________ Serali wrote: You ALL need to grow up!

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject:

cromulant wrote: My word for arm is khaib. I'll get back to you on all the others.

@Cromulant; Did you get back to us on the others yet? Or, how much of it is available elsewhere? and, if any, where? Thanks.

doctrellor wrote: I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail, like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on, so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem. I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..

@Doc; Did you post a list for Drem? Or is one available somewhere else? Thanks.

Goza Lesha wrote: (For Zevino'shoma) This will be different, as they are alien, and somewhat odd in their body structure. I'll come back for the rest later. These are the ones I have words for: Chest, Abdomen, Belly: Shigilalumaga Brain: Shogatu Spleen, Kidney, Liver (all one organ): Shetashu

All also do Muphridian, which is closely related to English: ---SNIP Muphridian---

@Goza Lesha; Thanks for the Muphridian. Thanks also for as much of the Zevino'shoma as you've posted. Do you have anything on-line telling about their anatomy? Or other interesting things about them? In re the Zevino'shoma bodyparts, you said "I'll come back for the rest later". Have you some more bodypart terms for them available somewhere? Thanks.

Radagast wrote: Many languages have bodypartaffixes that functions as adverbs of manner. He "headbutted" him for example. In mesoamerican languages it is extremely common. Whether they are adverbs or not is a case of definition but they modify verbs that is for sure. ... Mèlw: Seat of life: blood Seat of emotion: stomach Seat of conciousness: eyes ... (nawatl has life=heart/blood, conciousness=liver, emotion=heart/)

@Radagast; thanks. (Radagast the Brown, right?) Do you have more Mèlw terms online somewhere? Or that you'd like to post here?

Delalyra wrote: Vernaclerians believe that the stomach is the"mental heart"...it makes so much more sense than the heart when you think about it, anyways. In their religion, most of their matter came from their Deitiy's life-force (basically), so everything is their "seat of life"...and they know that the brain is where they think, sleep, etc...the "seat of consciousness."

@Delalyra; What else can you tell us about Vernaclerian bodypart terms etc.?

Eddy wrote: Well, so far, Socialese seems to be taking an impressionistic turn with a strong emphasis on personal meaning. So the concept of "eye" might be expressed as "It lets me see" and "genital" as "it gives me sexual pleasure". So far, though, I haven't worked out all the details.

@Eddy; Do you have anything else you think we'd like to see yet?

sintau.tayua wrote: The main Psinu belief is that there are three main parts of a person:

the physical body, exemplified by the hands (eg. "bring your hands over here" - come here)

The conection with God (this is sometimes used to mean your ability to love someone, because it is believe that this connection with God escorts your soul to heaven, so if it's gone, the person has lost their soul), exemplified in the brain (actually, they think it's just a goey good-for-nothing, yet God must have put it there for a purpose, so maybe it's our connection with God?) This is not like the christian 'Holy Spirit, because it doesn't help you in life, it just guides you to heaven.

The personality, the 'real you'. This is said to be in the lungs.

@sintau.tayua; What else do you know about Psinu that probably belongs on this thread? Thanks.

Old Man Neek wrote: TomHChappell wrote:

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion?

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?

My current conculture project is retooling a proto-language, so at the moment I lack a total vocabulary and am not too sure on how to expand the entire ideal. However, I would like to answer these questions here. The Paratinó should not be considered an individual, existing culture. There are are little known texts about these people, and what is drawn here is drawn as a common denominator from the cultures that arose from the Paratinó. The assumed idea is that any given emotion has three components:

A fluid (blood, semen, saliva, bile)
An organ (any of them, really; though the genitals, liver, heart, brain, eyes, and tongue are chief)
Direction.

This means that the path to any emotion requires one fluid to be filtered through an organ in a very specific direction. To make it simple, there is no simple way to say "life is seated in the liver," life can be many things. The fluid of blood is oftentimes called *adda sēυsŭ, or humor vitae. This sort of phrase stands side-by-side for the root for blood, *φĭlem. When one is lively and active, the blood flows through the heart upward. When one is wrought with anger, it is upward through the brain. When one is virile, it is semen (*adda tmilsŭ, the water of birth, or simply sθiwar) that flows downward into the genitals; however whenever when one is lustfull and simply desires self-pleasure, it is saliva that passes through the genitals (saliva being *adda gnāstıtsŭ, the water of desire; also aspa, spit) When on is empassioned with love, it is semen that flows to the left through the heart. Consciousness and guilt are bile (*adda graχwisŭ, the water of spite, or graχwisos that flow downward through the liver. When one is reighteous, bile passes upward through the liver. I hope this helps, and soon I should be able to expand the vocabulary to name all the organs.

@You, Neek ('cause there is only one of you); Oh, yes, it surely does help; thanks. Have you been able to expand the vocabulary yet to any other names of organs that you'd like us to see? If so, where can we look for them?

-Klaivas- wrote: Ooo, I forgot this thread existed! Please find enclosed (sic) the Yuiyo words for various body parts! Head - dú Nose - amar Eye - škíol Mouth - armu Ear - níu Chin - va Cheeks (and side of neck) - súdd Throat / Neck - damá Shoulder - issun Chest / Stomach - núa Sides - gatod Back - rammrót Hip / Waist - fúv Arm / Leg - skaro Back of arm / Back of leg - orga Palm of hand / Sole of foot - ét Back of hand / Top (?) of foot - tull Finger / Toe - ram Knee / Elbow - aitait Flaccid penis - pelúa Erect penis - lakkuš Scrotum / Testes - ssap 'Gooch' - emrát Vagina - tlaš a feu Anus - tlaš Buttock - mappíok

Thanks, -Klaivas-. I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch. I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest". _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Amsel Ur

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Location: Seattle

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:28 am    Post subject:

The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif Hand kamr Eye axr Tongue lis _________________ _______________________________ Amsel

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-Klaivas- Šalea

Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Location: Ebrauc

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch. Haha, but of course they (I) do What else would I call it? Area-between-anus-and-front-genetalia ( etde-om-tlašos-om-[pelúas/lakkušos/tlaš-a-feus] ) ? _________________ Serali wrote: You ALL need to grow up!

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nebula wind phone Tšur

Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Location: Austin, Texas, USA

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: I admit I'm kind of surprised the Yuiyo need a word for the gooch. I recall a discussion from my younger days about what to call the feminine version of the "gooch"; the consensus was it should be called "the chin-rest".

When I was growing up, the male version was a "choad." (Hrm, can't blame that on regional differences either, can I?) But since then I've been introduced to the word "taint" ('t ain't one end and 't ain't the other) which appears to be gender-neutral. _________________ "When I was about 16 it occurred to me that conlanging might be a sin, but I changed my mind when I realized Adam and Eve were doing it before the Fall." —Mercator

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-Klaivas- Šalea

Joined: 30 Jan 2006 Location: Ebrauc

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:56 am    Post subject:

nebula wind phone wrote: the male version was a "choad." I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a penis which is wider than it is long".

Also, use thy "t"s consistently! 'T ain't one end and 't ain't t' other _________________ Serali wrote: You ALL need to grow up!

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Wycoval Šalea

Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Location: Body of an adult, mind of a child.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject:

-Klaivas- wrote: What else would I call it?

Perineum. Having kids introduces you to vocabulary you never knew existed. _________________ wycoval.googlepages.com I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create. - Wm Blake

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject:

Amsel wrote: The paltry list of bodyparts in Hantic. I must endevour to expand it.

Head kaif Hand kamr Eye axr Tongue lis

You're doing well in other semantic fields; and in this one you're at least four ahead of me. Thanks. We'll be looking forward to seeing/hearing your expanded list. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject:

-Klaivas- wrote: nebula wind phone wrote: the male version was a "choad." I've been brought up with the definition of "choad" or "chode" or however you spell it being "a which is wider than it is long".

Well, I wasn't "brought up" with the term, but I'd seen "choad" used to mean "jism" (or "semen" or "seed" or "ejaculate"(the noun)). _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject:

Has anyone got anything new? Has anyone who hasn't posted yet got anything responsive to the first 10 or 15 posts? Has anyone who has already posted got anything new they haven't posted yet that fits in with the first 10 or so posts? Does anyone want to change anything? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject:

What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject:

No offense, but I think nearly everyone will vote to let it die. It's not that it's not a great thread, it's just that hey, if we do it for this thread, why not 99 others? And then the museum would just be hard to browse though. I saved the thread to my hard drive though. _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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Wycoval Šalea

Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Location: Body of an adult, mind of a child.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject:

So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose? _________________ wycoval.googlepages.com I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create. - Wm Blake

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Sano Šalea

Joined: 09 Sep 2004

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Wycoval wrote: So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

booger slide? _________________

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Nuntar Šalea

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Location: [16.50.72.0]

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: What would be better, to put this thread in the museum or to let it die?

I was happy to move the kinterms thread to the Museum because it contains some very useful information on the way different languages divide up the "kinship space" differently and how this correlates to cultural factors. I can't see any corresponding justification for indexing this thread; it's a nice collection, but it is just a collection of vocabulary from our conlangs. _________________ Amaya wrote: Every now and then, the world tries to say something. I'm never quite sure whether or not to listen to it at times like that.

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Serali Šalea

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Location: New York City

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject:

Wycoval wrote: So what do you call the little divet in your upper lip under your nose?

A Uvula. Remember Google is your friend!

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Rav Shimon Endi

Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Location: Sydney

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject:

Sorry, no. The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:31 pm    Post subject:

Philtrum. _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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Wycoval Šalea

Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Location: Body of an adult, mind of a child.

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject:

Philtrum.

Obviously, we need to find a better English word for it. None of this Latiny-Greeky nonsense. _________________ wycoval.googlepages.com I must create a system or be enslaved by another man's; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create. - Wm Blake

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mavonduri Endi

Joined: 27 Aug 2006

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject:

Cénárol

nava- foot (pl. navam)* paldo- hand (pl. paldom)* qar'ta- finger hir'da- head ristai- arm (pl. ristím)** nif- leg (pl. nífu)*

NOTE: These terms are pluralized in the dual form only, unless when referenced in a group of people

- NOTE: Cénárol sound rule- ai>í

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Serali Šalea

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Location: New York City

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject:

Rav Shimon wrote: Sorry, no. The uvula is that thingy hanging down at the back of your mouth.

Oh then I have no idea what he's talking about nor what it looks like.

EDIT: Now that I've seen the pic I know what it is and what it looks like. Now I have a question:

What purpose does it serve?

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boy #12 Tšur

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:09 pm    Post subject:

Serali wrote: What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure. _________________

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Eddy Šalea

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Location: In the middle of the American empire

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject:

Here are the words for body parts I have for Terpish so far:

Bol — belly Jok — eye Klit — clitoris Kof — head Kor — heart Liöshan — brain Mumbe — butt Piej — foot

Naturally, the Terps understand biology well enough to understand the appropriate place for the seat of emotion and consciousness (the brain). _________________

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Serali Šalea

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Location: New York City

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject:

boy #12 wrote: Serali wrote: What purpose does it serve?

Don't think it has any. But it is a feature often affected by deformities, it seems. A cleft palate may extend the cleft onto the upper lip, thus splitting it along the philtrum (i.e. a harelip), whereas kids with Fetal Alcohol Syndrome lack the indent entirely. Also, anecdotally, a friend of mine used to have a convex skin-bump thing instead of an indentation (she had it surgically corrected at young age).

EDIT: now I realize you are talking about the uvula rather than the philtrum. but I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

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Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Location: Sydney

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject:

Serali wrote: WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

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Atalant Endi

Joined: 13 May 2007 Location: Island Star Cities

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:20 am    Post subject:

Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible _________________ For Fergus rules the brazen cars, And rules the shadows of the wood, And the white breast of the dim sea And all dishevelled wandering stars.

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

Soap wrote:

--Fat blampilpim

lol

Sorry, I didn't intend to be mean, that word just sounds funny. Blampilpim. _________________

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boy #12 Tšur

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

Qwynegold wrote: What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood. -Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle." -The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye. -The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg. -"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc. -The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth." _________________

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Atalant Endi

Joined: 13 May 2007 Location: Island Star Cities

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject:

Ok, here's a tricky question*: where's the canthus?

extra points if you don't use wikipedia.

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Serali Šalea

Joined: 26 Feb 2006 Location: New York City

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:10 pm    Post subject:

Rav Shimon wrote: Serali wrote: WOW! Another part of the body we don't need!

Of course we need it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum for purposes of the philtrum. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvula for purposes of the uvula.

Thanks! Never knew that!

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Shm Jay Šalea

Joined: 14 Nov 2002 Location: 5.4.5.2

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Eddy wrote: Klit — clitoris

Now why would they have borrowed this word?

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Eddy Šalea

Joined: 11 Aug 2003 Location: In the middle of the American empire

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject:

Quote: Now why would they have borrowed this word?

Same reason why English did? Actually, I was lazy and didn't feel like coining a new word at the time (happens a lot with Terpish). _________________

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 8:19 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

boy #12 wrote: Qwynegold wrote: What's the difference between a vein and an artery? Also, I was wondering if someone could tell me what these words mean: gristle/cartilage, sclera, incisor, eyetooth/canine tooth, molar/premolar, shin, orifices? I think you've left out brain. Finnish and Swedish distuingishes between the back and front of the neck. Could you maybe add those, oh and back of the head too?

EDIT: And forehead!

-Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood. -Cartilage is a connective tissue in the body. It's what the soft parts of the nose and ear are made of. Sharks have skeletons made of cartilage instead of bone. When you find some in meat it's called "gristle." -The sclera is the white outer layer of the eye. -The shin is the bony front part of the lower leg. -"Orifice" means any opening in the body, like the mouth, anus, etc. -The rest of your words are names for the teeth: On each side of each row there are, proceeding from front to back, two incisors, the canine (eye tooth), two premolars, and three molars. The third is called the "wisdom tooth."

Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg? _________________

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boy #12 Tšur

Joined: 30 Dec 2003 Location: Brooklyn/Vassar College, Poughkeepsie, NY

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:10 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

Qwynegold wrote: Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there. _________________

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Imralu Šalea

Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Location: here

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:01 pm    Post subject:

In Zali ["Zali]

Body tem [tEm] -Blood vessel --Artery --Vein -Material of which it is composed pu [pu] (just means "stuff", "material") --Bone zaik [Zajk] --Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) --Skin --Muscle mad [mad] --Fat --Blood eik [Ejk] -Trunk (torso) jul [dZUl] --Chest bus [bUS] ---Heart ---Lung --Abdomen or Belly taun [tawn] ---Stomach ---Liver ---Spleen ---Intestines --Waist edil ["EdIl] -Neck stiv [StIv] -Extremity --Head pok [pOk] ---Hair iki ["iki] (= hair on head), tal [tal] (= hair on body, fur, general word for hair) ---Ear cok [tSOk]

Earhole cokdvad ["tSOkdvad]

Earlobe?

---Eye og [Og]

Eyeball ogwel ["OgwEl]

Iris

Pupil ognol ["OgnOl] (= "eyeblack")

Sclera ogaigu ["Ogajgu] (= "eyewhite")

Eyebrow

Eyelid

Eyelash ogtal ["Ogtal] (= "eyehair")

Eye socket ogdvad ["Ogdvad] (= "eyehole")

Tear gland

---Nose penk [pENk]

Nostril penkdvad ["pENkdvad]

---Mouth sab [Sab] (= externally visible part of the mouth, ie. the lips), cik [tSIk] (= oral cavity)

Jaw

Maxilla (upper jaw)

Mandible (lower jaw)

Tooth (!I think I had a word for this, but lost it when I lost my dictionary)

Incisor

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth

Molar (and/or premolar?)

Tongue lamil ["lamIl]

--Limb ---Arm cad [tSad]

Shoulder zut [ZUt]

Elbow cadwelik ["tSadwElIk] (= "armjoint")

Wrist logwelik ["lOgwElIk] (= "handjoint")

Humerus (upper arm) yalcad ["jaltSad] (= "toparm")

Lower Arm loncad ["lOntSad] (= "bottomarm")

Hand log [lOg]

Palm

---Leg duk [dUk]

Hip pois [pOjS]

Knee dukwelik ["dUkwElIk] (= "legjoint")

Ankle dezwelik ["dEZwElIk] (= "footjoint")

Thigh (upper leg) yalduk ["jaldUk]

Shin hilag ["hilag] (= shin, bony part at front), oboz ["ObOZ] (= calf, muscular part at back), lenduk ["lEndUk] (= "bottomleg")

Foot dez [dEZ]

Sole dezlen ["dEZlEn] (= "footbottom")

Heel

Ball

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) ix [Its] ---Nail vask [vaSk]

Fingernail log(ix)vask ["lOg(Its)vaSk] (= "hand(digit)nail")

Toenail dez(ix)vask ["dEZ(Its)vaSk] (= "foot(digit)nail")

---Toe dezix ["dEZIts] (= "footdigit")

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) darix ["dazIts] (= "bigdigit"), dadezix ["dadEZIts] (= "bigfootdigit")

Pinky toe or little toe posxirix ["pOStsizIts] (= "mostlittledigit")

Other individual toes? xidezix ["tsidEZIts] (= "littlefootdigit")

---Thumb zadix ["ZadIts] (= "importantdigit")

Thumbnail zadixvask ["ZadItsvaSk] (= "importantdigitnail")

---Finger logix ["lOgIts]

Index finger

Pinky finger

Middle finger

Ring finger

--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! ---Female en [En]

vagina munu ["munu]

womb

---male az [aZ]

penis wung [wUN]

testicle

-Side vel --Back (!don't remember offhand) --Front (!don't remember offhand) --Left --Right --Bottom (lower) len- ["lEn-] --Top (upper) yal- ["jal-] -Orifices --anus dumfdvad ["dUmfdvad] (= "arsehole") --urethral meatus?

Other breast, boob bumba ["bUmba] arse, buttocks, bum dumf ["dUmf] skull pokzaik ["pOkZajk] (= "headbone")

As for the other questions - they are much like us, technologically and scientifically advanced, so they know the true function of each organ, but much like us, although they know the true situation, there still remain certain cultural attachments to organs. The heart and guts are the home of the emotions - the heart beats faster with just about any intense emotion, and when it gets even more intense, the stomach aches. Consciousness was associated with the eyes, although it then became associated with the brain because people who had lost their eyes still reported being conscious - the brain was the obvious choice, being behind the eyes, and able to see through them. _________________ ils wrote: Imralu: certified sane!

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Imralu Šalea

Joined: 28 Mar 2006 Location: here

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:11 pm    Post subject:

boy #12 wrote: I'll keep my Record of Philtrum Deformities for anyone's reading pleasure.

In my family, it was always called the "dribble drain", which kind of doesn't make sense, because ... um, gravity goes down, so ... I don't know.

Some guy in a pub told me one night that that was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ... _________________ ils wrote: Imralu: certified sane!

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:04 am    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

boy #12 wrote: Qwynegold wrote: Thanks for the informative answer! The only thing I didn't quite understand was shin. Is it the name of the front part of the bone that goes all the way through your lower leg?

It refers more to the leg itself, in front of the bone. When I think of the word "shin" I think of how close the bone is to the skin and how much it hurts to get kicked there.

OK, now I understand. Thx! _________________

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simon.clarkstone Gent

Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Location: England

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject:

Atalant wrote: Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible

There are several conspecies around who cannot pronounce labials, and they don't seem to mind. Ollock's Xala, for a start. _________________ Thi sisaf akecon langbu tno onec antell. Ia mwor kingo nare aloneb utver yslo wly. Kigdatsi/Humans of Su-0-0: Gae/nosf S5 Dnho Om Tc/m CL/-- SE1 CD4-3 CC1/5 CO5/1 E3 Pe,f

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simon.clarkstone Gent

Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Location: England

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs

boy #12 wrote: Arteries are the blood vessels that pump blood from the heart to the rest of the body, and thus full of freshly oxygenated, bright red bood. Veins take the blood back to the heart, and are full of deoxygenated, purplish blood.

The oxygenation state is the other way round in the vessels going between the heart and the lungs. I dunno how it works before being born.

Oh, add "placenta" to the list if you want. _________________ Thi sisaf akecon langbu tno onec antell. Ia mwor kingo nare aloneb utver yslo wly. Kigdatsi/Humans of Su-0-0: Gae/nosf S5 Dnho Om Tc/m CL/-- SE1 CD4-3 CC1/5 CO5/1 E3 Pe,f

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject:

Thanks, mavonduri, eddy, soap, imralu

Imralu wrote: Some guy in a pub told me one night that that [the philtrum] was where the devil pressed his finger into man's upper lip to silence him from telling God something ... I heard that Plato or the Platonists said it was the "cavern angel" telling each newly-reborn soul not to tell any memories of its former lives.

So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list? uvula philtrum artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart) vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart) portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart) brain back of the neck front of the neck back of the head forehead wisdom tooth canthus clitoris breast buttock butt skull placenta _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 7:16 am    Post subject:

Atalant wrote: Us most of all... think how unhappy we'd be if nobody could pronounce labials because their lips were too inflexible No philtrums on some Fetal Alcohol Syndrome people, but Ive never heard them have a problem with labial consonants.

I'll put up the Izda Mir body parts soon. (They'll be pretty similar to Pabappa's.) _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:39 am    Post subject:

Here are the words in Lhueslue:

Body lu /lu:/ (human), rhu /ɻu:/ (animal) -Blood vessel ueshie-echul /yʃə:etʃu:l/ (human), ueshie-echurh /yʃə:etʃuɻ/ (animal) --Artery ueshie-echulxhe /yʃə:etʃulxe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhxhe /yʃə:etʃuɻxe:/ (animal) --Vein ueshie-echulqe /yʃə:etʃulqe:/ (human), ueshie-echurhqe /yʃə:etʃuɻqe:/ (animal) -Material of which it is composed --Bone pujchul /puʒtʃu:l/ (human), pujchurh /puʒtʃu: ɻ/ (animal) --Gristle or cartilage pubchul /pubtʃu:l/ (human), pubchurh /pubtʃu: ɻ/ (animal) --Skin xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonynous with front side of body), xhuchurh /xutʃu:ɻ/ (animal) --Muscle euchul /eutʃu:l/ (human), euchurh /eutʃu:ɻ/ (animal) --Fat bee-chulu /bɛ:tʃulu:/ (human), bee-churhu /bɛ:tʃuɻu:/ (animal) --Blood ueshie /yʃə:/ -Trunk (torso) yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal) --Chest yuyuchulu /jujutʃulu:/ (human), yuxhuchurhu /juxutʃuɻu:/ (animal) ---Heart ije /iʒe:/ ---Lung hichul /hitʃu:l/ (human), hichurh /hitʃu:ɻ/ (animal) --Abdomen or Belly zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as stomach), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as stomach) ---Stomach zuyuchulu /zujutʃulu:/ (human, same as abdomen and belly), zuxhuchurhu /zuxutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as abdomen and belly) ---Liver ueshie-juch /yʃə:ʒutʃ/ ---Spleen tyueshie-juch /tjyʃə:ʒutʃ/ ---Intestines lhunyejuch /ðˡunjeʒutʃ/ --Waist ungtudlu /uŋtudlu:/ (human), ungtudrhu /uŋtudɻu:/ (animal) -Neck huzchul /huztʃu:l/ (human), huzchurh /huztʃu:ɻ/ (animal) -Extremity chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as limb and bodypart), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as limb and bodypart) --Head chyuel /tʃjy:l/ (human), chyuerh /tʃjy:ɻ/ (animal) ---Hair bochyul /botʃju:l/ (human), borh /bo:ɻ/ (animal, actually fur) ---Ear su /su:/

Earhole sujung-ie /suʒuŋə:/

Earlobe zungsu /zuŋsu:

---Eye wu /wu:/

Eyeball wubuzuytud /wubuzujtu:d/

Iris wu-wuech /wu:wytʃ/

Pupil wu-miewuech /wu:məwytʃ/

Sclera wu-fwueh /wu:fwyh/

Eyebrow boywu /bojwu:/

Eyelid wuyeung /wujeuŋ/

Eyelash bowu /bowu:/

Eye socket wujung-iechyuel /wuʒuŋətʃjy:l/ (human), wujung-iechyuerh /wuʒuŋətʃjy:ɻ/ (animal)

Tear gland -

---Nose nyu /nju:/

Nostril nyujung-ie /njuʒuŋə:/

---Mouth znu /znu:/

Jaw zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)

Maxilla (upper jaw) yuzuchyul /juzutʃju:l/ (human), yuzuchyurh /juzutʃju:ɻ/ (animal)

Mandible (lower jaw) zuchyul /zutʃju:l/ (human, same as jaw), zuchyurh /zutʃju:ɻ/ (animal, same as jaw)

Tooth poznu /poznu:/

Incisor poznuxhu /poznuxu:/

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth poznupú /poznupǔ:/

Molar poznutud /poznutu:d/ (both molar and premolar), qupoznutud /qupoznutu:d/ (molar only)

Premolar xhupoznutud /xupoznutu:d/

Tongue nub /nub/

--Limb/bodypart chulu /tʃulu:/ (human, same as extremity), churhu /tʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as extremity) ---Arm zyux /zjuχ/

Shoulder xa /χa:/

Elbow jungzyux /ʒuŋzjuχ/

Wrist xua /χua/

Humerus (upper arm) yux /juχ/

Lower Arm zux /zuχ/

Hand xu /χu:/

Palm xuz /χuz/

---Leg zechul /zetʃu:l/ (human), zechurh /zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Hip azuchulu /azutʃulu:/ (human), azuchurhu /azutʃuɻu:/ (animal)

Knee jungzechul /ʒuŋzetʃu:l/ (human), jungzechurh /ʒuŋzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Ankle chae-pyuzechul /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-pyuzechurh /tʃæ:pjuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Thigh (upper leg) yuzechul /juzetʃu:l/ (human), yuzechurh /juzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Shin -

Foot chae-zechul /tʃæ:zetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zechurh /tʃæ:zetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Sole chae-zuzechul /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:l/ (human), chae-zuzechurh /tʃæ:zuzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Heel chae-quzechul /tʃæ:quzetʃu:l (human), chae-quzechurh /tʃæ:quzetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Ball -

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) chochulu /tʃotʃulu:/ (human), chochurhu /tʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal) ---Nail puchochulu /putʃotʃulu:/ (human); puchochurhu /putʃotʃuɻu:/ (animal, also means claw)

Fingernail puchoxu /putʃoχu:/

Toenail puchozechul /putʃozetʃu:l/ (human)

---Toe chozechul /tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), chozechurh /tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) ochozechul /otʃozetʃu:l/ (human), ochozechurh /otʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Pinky toe or little toe oe-chozechul /ø:tʃozetʃu:l/ (human), oe-chozechurh /ø:tʃozetʃu:ɻ/ (animal)

Second toe chozechulowu /tʃozetʃulowu:/ (human), chozechurhowu /tʃozetʃuɻowu:/ (animal)

Third toe chozechuloqaxh /tʃozetʃuloqa:χ/ (human), chozechurhoqaxh /tʃozetʃuɻoqa:χ/ (animal)

Fourth toe chozechulo-rhuength /tʃozetʃulo:ɻyŋθ/ (human), chozechurho-rhuength /tʃozetʃuɻo:ɻyŋθ/ (animal)

---Thumb choxutud /tʃoχutu:d/ (human), choxu-oeue /tʃoχu:øy/ (animal)

Thumbnail puchoxutud /putʃoχutu:d/

---Finger choxu /tʃoχu:/

Index finger choxuowu /tʃoχuowu:/

Pinky finger oe-choxu /ø:tʃoχu:/

Middle finger choxuoqaxh /tʃoχuoqa:x/

Ring finger choxuo-rhuength /tʃoχuoɻyŋθ/

--genitalia vichul /vitʃu:l/ (human), vichurh /vitʃu:ɻ/ (animal) ---female ci /ɕi:/

vagina ciljung-ie /ɕilʒuŋə:/ (human), cirhjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋə:/ (animal)

womb iájung-ie /iǎ:ʒuŋə:/

---male ri /ri:/

penis vichri /vitʃri:/

testicle buzuytudri /buzujtudri:/

-Side tud /tu:d/ --Back quchul /qutʃu:l/ (human), yuchurh /jutʃu:ɻ/ (animal) --Front xhuchul /xutʃu:l/ (human, homonymous with skin), zuchurh /zutʃu:ɻ/ (animal, actually underside) --Left tu /tu:/ --Right du /du:/ --Lower zuchulu (human) /zutʃulu:/, quchurhu /qutʃuɻu:/ (animal) --Upper yuchulu /jutʃulu:/ (human, same as torso), xhuchurhu /xutʃuɻu:/ (animal, same as torso) -Orifices chulujung-ie /tʃuluʒuŋə:/ (human), churhujung-ie /tʃuɻuʒuŋə:/ (animal) --anus jung-ieqae /ʒuŋəqæ:/ --urethral meatus vichrijung-ie /vitʃriʒuŋə:/ (male), ciljungjung-ie /ɕilʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (human, female) cirhjungjung-ie /ɕiɻʒuŋʒuŋə:/ (animal, female)

Heh! This is probably the only language that has three words for urethral meatus.

But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body? _________________

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject:

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a fully developed conlang with nearly as much /u/ as that. Is it because you just like /u/ or did you do it to set this language apart from others in your conworld? _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:11 am    Post subject:

Heh! I didn't intend it to become so common from the beginning. In Lhueslue every phoneme bears a meaning and /u/ means material. As it happened, almost every noun gets an /u/. _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject:

Thanks, Qwynegold.

If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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aardwolf Šalea

Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Location: Nice, France

Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:12 pm    Post subject:

Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here. Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. But the way it is now; nah. _________________ SFW* pr0n

May be NSFW

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: Thanks, Qwynegold.

If this thread is enduringly popular, should it be moved to the Museum?

Your welcome. Oh, and I had some questions too: Qwynegold wrote: But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understnad the picture. And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body?

_________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject:

Qwynegold wrote: But what exactly is the tear gland? I tried looking it up at WP but I couldn't understand the picture. Tears are the watery, salty secretion that keeps the eyes moist. The bulk of the refracting of light during focussing is done by a thin veil of tears; the lens just fine-tunes it. Tears also contain protein (and FAIK other biological ingredients); that is why it is necessary to clean contact lenses once a day. When the eye is irritated the production and flow of tears is increased, to the point that they leak out of the eye; the usual result is to wash out whatever is irritating the eye. When someone weeps, they often over-produce tears this same way. Tear-glands (aka lacrimal glands) are in the upper outer corners of the eyes. In the lower inner corners of the eyes are ducts that ordinarily take tears down into the nose; if the tear-glands aren't overproducing, this is where tears usually are disposed of.

Qwynegold wrote: And what is meant with bottom and top side? Is it supposed to be the lower and upper half of the body? Just think either "bottom of body" and "top of body", or "lower half of body" and "upper half of body". If you want two pairs of terms, go ahead and provide both. Otherwise take your pick.

aardwolf wrote: Museum? Nah; there's no real 'important' information here.

If more people responded to the following questions, would it?

I wrote: Does your conlang, or do your conlangs, use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes? Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns? (I left out "adverbs" and "interjections". I assume the "interjections" part is "yes", because some of these are probably good curse-words. I can't think how to make one of these body-part nouns into an adverb, though.)

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of life? Popular answers are the liver (hence the name "liver") and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of emotion? Popular answers are the stomach, the guts, and the heart.

What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness? Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".

aardwolf wrote: Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject:

OK, I added upper and lower body to my post. I guess my conlang won't have a word for tear gland since it's something you can't see so the conpeople wouldn't know about it. _________________

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Joined: 14 Aug 2006 Location: Somewhere north of Dixieland

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: aardwolf wrote: Were it a thread about 'how does your language chop up (so to speak) the body .. eg one word for arm+hand etc' then maybe. Feel free to rephrase the question(s) then! Or pose this question, if it's the one you like.

How would posters modify this thread so that it would be museum-worthy?

I think you'd need things like discussion of (systematic) cultural associations (e.g. your original questions about the seat of emotion, etc.), strong cross-linguistic tendencies (always distinguishing certain body parts or not, words for the genitals being taboo/impolite), and derivation (e.g. how my conlang Old Gzho uses the same word for "arm" and "hand", but can also refer to the arm as the "hand-neck"). Also usage of body part terms for other things, i.e. verbal affixes, locative/directional expressions, etc. And investigating how changes to body structure would affect language, e.g. having no lips wouldn't just mean a lack of labial consonants - you also wouldn't be able to produce rounded vowels, which could have a big affect on the vowel inventory. _________________ Òmiç lumei ge lòmtau vi ge bleiskou, ge tiltau vi ge vighou, ge kivo vi ge prèhou.

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Arunaza Tšur

Joined: 16 Oct 2005 Location: Nouvelle Angleterre

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject:

I'm glad this thread is still around--I was thinking I might have to rederive all the Sdannískr body words, which would be irritating (and time-consuming, for that matter). I think this thread has just increased my new lexicon by half, or just about. _________________ TomHChappell wrote: Gazariah wrote: You mean the gnomic aorist. Contrast with the "aortic gnomist", a physician who specializes in the cardiovascular ailments of earth-elementals.

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Guitarplayer Šalea

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Location: Braunschweig, Germany | 3.8.8.1

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:11 am    Post subject:

I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts. _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject:

guitarplayer wrote: I've got this list for a year already, but I still haven't got words for every single body part on it. On the other hand, I felt free to add some items you left out, Tom.

FWIW these items are still missing: tear gland, upper/lower jaw, thigh, shank, shin, calf, the name(s) of the toe(s), the name(s) of the finger(s), ovaries (for that matter, I could also include prostate) and, last but not least, buttock. And colloquial/slang/vulgar words for certain body parts.

Which items did you add? I'm pretty sure I included, or added, some of those; tear gland, upper and lower jaw, thigh, shin, two of the toes and "other individual toes?", and each of the fingers. I'm not sure what a shank is. I didn't include the calf, I don't think; I guess I should. I included the hips; I didn't distinguish the buttocks from the hips. I didn't get into internal organs that a layman couldn't tell were there and doing things without opening up the body; so that's why I left out the ovaries and the prostate, though I include the womb and the testes.

My last update on that was July 15 on Page 4. TomHChappell wrote: So, what are the body-parts people want to add to the list? uvula philtrum artery (any blood vessel carrying blood from the heart) vein (any blood vessel carrying blood from any organ other than the heart) portal vein (any vein carrying blood to any organ other than the heart) brain back of the neck front of the neck back of the head forehead wisdom tooth canthus clitoris breast buttock butt skull placenta

_________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Guitarplayer Šalea

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Location: Braunschweig, Germany | 3.8.8.1

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:51 am    Post subject:

I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually _________________

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Aisling Iseléaku

Joined: 23 Jul 2007 Location: Kentucky

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Body parts

My small dictionary has some basic body parts but nothing specific like artery.

ANKLE = TĀMA ARM = RŌTA BLOOD = PĀTA CHEST = ShŌMĀ ELBOW = JeĪTŌ

etc, etc

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:01 pm    Post subject:

guitarplayer wrote: I don't know anymore, but I only have your original list. I think I added all those you quoted save the parts of the mouth (except tongue and teeth), portal vein, back of the neck, front of the neck, back of the head, names for teeth, skull and placenta. Quite a lot I didn't add actually :P I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Guitarplayer Šalea

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Location: Braunschweig, Germany | 3.8.8.1

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:04 pm    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: I just edited the original post and added the shank, the calf, and the buttocks. I didn't add the ovaries or the prostate. The other things you mentioned three posts ago were already in the list. Some of the names of the teeth are there, too.

Ah, I see.

[edit] My list, so far [/edit] _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject:

guitarplayer wrote: http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Rodlox Gent

Joined: 12 Jul 2005

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: guitarplayer wrote: http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it.

I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page.

is puzzled*

_________________ MadBrain is a genius.

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject:

Rodlox wrote: TomHChappell wrote: guitarplayer wrote: http://benung.freehostia.com/files/bodyparts.pdf My list, so far Very complete! Thanks. I hope many people take a look at it. I tried to take a look, but I keep getting the Freehostia home page. *is puzzled* If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to. That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it. Did you try pasting the URL? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Guitarplayer Šalea

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Location: Braunschweig, Germany | 3.8.8.1

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:02 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: If I click on the link that happens to me too; but if I copy the URL and past it in the address window I see Guitarplayer's PDF like I want to. That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it. Did you try pasting the URL?

I guess that my host doesn't allow direct linking to files other than HTML, just like Geocities. So much for free hosting. _________________

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Rodlox Gent

Joined: 12 Jul 2005

Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote:

That still leaves me puzzled, but I get to see the PDF so I can stand it. Did you try pasting the URL?

not yet - *goes to try it*

thanks. _________________ MadBrain is a genius.

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simon.clarkstone Gent

Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Location: England

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:06 am    Post subject:

I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it:

For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case.

People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. (I am thinking of Ilaksh in particular. How about it JQP? ) _________________ Thi sisaf akecon langbu tno onec antell. Ia mwor kingo nare aloneb utver yslo wly. Kigdatsi/Humans of Su-0-0: Gae/nosf S5 Dnho Om Tc/m CL/-- SE1 CD4-3 CC1/5 CO5/1 E3 Pe,f

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Qwynegold Gent

Joined: 24 May 2007 Location: Sweden

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject:

What a smart idea! _________________

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:23 pm    Post subject:

simon.clarkstone wrote: I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it: I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

simon.clarkstone wrote: For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. For humans I don't believe more than 16 compass points in a plane are natural. For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

simon.clarkstone wrote: Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case. Are your Kigdatsi human?

simon.clarkstone wrote: People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ... Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Izo Šalea

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Location: Catalonia

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:11 pm    Post subject:

Hel·lerà / Helleran

Body tol, estou

Blood guès Blood vessel cabinyol guesetz “blood vessel” Artery maxarva Vein ôued

Bone tot Cartilage martel•let Skeleton gargamol, gaugamol

Skin fiu Muscle rambe Fat (corporal) lhud Tendon tirant

Head pot, tuc, tuys, syet, arsyet (m), tuche, tutze (f) Hair togès Hair (a fiber) bli Skull golag (m/f) cranium raz Neck lleg, nyoc

Ear onze, osye, oge Earhole bosit na s’onze “hole of the ear” Earlobe lhob na s’onze “lobe of the ear”

Eye oc, oig, uoc Iris gavi Pupil chelandé Sclera bel na s’oc “white of the eye”; cýncolis (neolog) Eyebrow tirse Eyelid pedillou Eyelash goume Eye socket bou na s’oc “socket of the eye” Tear gland dragole

Nose per Nostril bosit nas per “hole of the nose”

Mouth tamà Cheek guys Jaw radagame (sg) or radagames (pl) Maxilla (upper jaw) berosti Mandible (lower jaw) carmazzi Tooth gam Incisor cartalh, gartalh “central incisor”; cartalet, gortalet “lateral incisor” Eyetooth or Canine tooth anhac Molar cheral “molar, second molar”; cheraló “first molar” Tongue lheme. But "language, idiom" is lhambe Lip jami

Trunk bros Chest tor Abdomen mablada Belly beli Lower abdomen naig beli “lower belly”; sabel

Heart lhò Lung beloi Stomach mansaghe Liver sagé Spleen vèdem Intestines ganyalons (pl.)

Extremity, limb estighiu; espadelhe

Waist caradanç Pelvis cadanche or tot nas caradanç “bone of the waist” Buttock dabons (pl.) / dabó, bono and guys nas sat “cheek of the butt” Bum, arse, butt sat Hip bemuc Leg (from hip to ankle) gambe Thigh (upper leg, from hip to knee) gamays Knee golde Kneecap, patella gavanhol Shank (lower leg, from knee to ankle) garme Shin astanye Calf tonsim na s’astanye “doughy part of the shin” Ankle poghet Foot pedh, madà Heel garou Sole mad

Shoulder espambelh (traditional), espemble (neolog) Arm (from shoulder to wrist) ram Arm (from shoulder to elbow) ramec Elbow ajoc Arm (from elbow to wrist) ramell Wrist arbou Hand badh Palm pançou

Digit gartembi, cartempe (neolog) Finger, toe ghez (traditional) Toe (foot digit) ghez nas pedh “finger of the foot” Finger (hand digit) ghez nas badh “finger of the hand” Ball tonsim nas ghez “doughy part of the finger” Thumb tigarembi, tigampó, garampó Index finger ghez casarteu “managing/governative/guiding finger” Middle finger ghez perís “middle finger” Ring finger ghez nigançant “dependent finger” Little finger ghez polzuc “small finger”

Genitalia zinyaroncs Vagina begane Womb gameu Penis gozzi (traditional); felghe (neolog) Testicle galló Anus guada Urethral meatus dragavàrie

Quote: Does Helleran use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?

Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them).

Quote: Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?

Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms.

Quote: What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of life?

Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells.

Quote: What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of emotion?

The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ.

Quote: What bodypart does the Megadelanian civilization think is the seat of consciousness?

The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body. _________________ Izambri fadí carol geldi! Sis perans geu gasirant! Ia'mhrust no-Lhavindol suintil Lassenes tys sardanela eiseis armex

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Rav Shimon Endi

Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Location: Sydney

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:25 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: simon.clarkstone wrote: I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it: I'm only familiar with 32 points. I know actual helmsman's binnacles had half-points and quarter-points, but I thought they had only 32 named points; NEWS (4), NE NW SE SW (4 more), XXY and YXY (, X by Y and XY by X and XY by Y (16), for a total of 32.

North North-one-quarter-east North-by-east North-north-east-one-quarter-north North-north-east North-north-east-one-quarter-east North-east-by-north North-east-one-quarter-north North-east &c _________________ That's RABBI Dude to you.

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject:

Rav Shimon wrote:

North North-one-quarter-east North-by-east North-north-east-one-quarter-north North-north-east North-north-east-one-quarter-east North-east-by-north North-east-one-quarter-north North-east &c

Hmm. I thought halfway between North and North-by-East was "North-a-half-East" rather than "North-a-quarter-East". And so on. You are making the (N,S,E,W,NE,NW,SE,SW)-by-(N,S,E,W) be half-points instead of points. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Rav Shimon Endi

Joined: 10 Jul 2007 Location: Sydney

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject:

North, north-north-east, north-east &c are the sixteen primary points of a compass. Halfway between north and north-north-east is north-by-east (that is, the next half-point east of north), and half of that (half of half being a quarter) is north-one-qaurter-east (said point being one quarter of the way from north to the next point in an easterly direction). _________________ That's RABBI Dude to you.

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simon.clarkstone Gent

Joined: 21 Sep 2005 Location: England

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:07 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: simon.clarkstone wrote: I was struck by inspiration about this a while back, after seeing a tea-towel that had a 64-point compass rose on it: I'm only familiar with 32 points. I could have been wrong about that, but the details don't matter here.

TomHChappell wrote: simon.clarkstone wrote: For the Kigdatsi native language I can invent short names for some extremity points, the font/back distinction, some horizontal "slices", and some lines through the body. It should then be possible to derive names for many different parts of the body using a system of dividing up, like compass direction names use. For a solid I haven't worked it out or thought it out; I can see 48 (in rectangular "xyz" coordinates, the coordinates' absolute values could be in 6 orders, and the coordinates could come in 8 combinations of positive and negative), but can't be certain more wouldn't be possible.

For instance if spherical coordinates (longitude and latitude) are used, and my idea of "16 points is natural in a plane" is true, there might be 128 "points" on a sphere (8 latitudes x 16 longitudes).

If a "spherical coordinate system" is used, there needs to be some way to indicate or suggest distance from the center. (If a "cylindrical coordinate system" is used, it would be "distance from the pole" that would need to be suggested or indicated.) There'd have to be at least two degrees (body vs extremity), perhaps three (body vs limb vs hand-or-foot-or-digit) or four ("body" might come in two grades, core vs "rind" or some such); possibly a human language might have five or six, I'd have to think about that; a non-human system might have more than six, or be likelier than a human system to have more than three.

The system would necessarily be as irregular and wonky as the body is. Fortunately, their limbs all have the same basic structure, so analogising could reduce the set of needed roots. (It is not the same as the pentadactyl limb system.)

TBH I am not sure how I will actually do this, or how similar to the compass system it would actually be, though cylindrical co-ordinates look promising. I mean that (e.g.) there would be no root for "elbow", but something derived from "wrist" and "shoulder". And "knee" and one of the wing-joints would be the same word, with just one part changed because they are on different limbs. Or you could refer to (e.g.) "the bottom half of the upper-right quadrant of your back" in a simple way.

TomHChappell wrote: simon.clarkstone wrote: Such a system would be non-natural and "logical", but that is just what I want in my case. Are your Kigdatsi human? No. They are not even evolved, but designed. This makes them odd in many ways, though mostly good ones. It also means I will need terms for secondary brains, telekinesis organs, etc.

TomHChappell wrote: simon.clarkstone wrote: People who want systematic body-part names are free to copy or draw inspiration from this system, of course. ... Thanks; Reptigan might need that, since it's a multi-species society and not every speaker has the same body-plan as every other speaker. Nice. Not available for inter-conworld cooperation over at conworlds.info are you? _________________ Thi sisaf akecon langbu tno onec antell. Ia mwor kingo nare aloneb utver yslo wly. Kigdatsi/Humans of Su-0-0: Gae/nosf S5 Dnho Om Tc/m CL/-- SE1 CD4-3 CC1/5 CO5/1 E3 Pe,f

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Zoris Šalea

Joined: 19 Jul 2006 Location: The Place Where There is No Darkness

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject:

I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word? _________________ The Conproject (join us) Serali wrote: Dewrad wrote: You know, for a retarded girl you're talented ^__^ Why thank you! ^_^

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 8:46 am    Post subject:

Izo wrote: Hel·lerà / Helleran ---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks. Izo wrote: ....Helleran has affixes for different bodyparts or body materials/substances to create neologisms (although I must work on them). .... Some verbs are derived from the words for heart, skin, ear, etc. Many bodypart names have adjectival forms. .... Not a bodypart but a microscopic life-form present in all cells. .... The heart, the diafragma, the skin and the stomach. But it really depends on the emotion. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilisation all four bodyparts play some role in any emotion, although only one has a main role; it is said that that one is the leading organ. .... The soul. From the point of view of the Megadelanian civilization it isn’t a bodypart but the essence of the living body. I found these especially interesting.

Zoris wrote: I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word? I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think? _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Izo Šalea

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Location: Catalonia

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 11:06 am    Post subject:

TomHChappell wrote: Izo wrote: Hel·lerà / Helleran ---SNIPPED out the meat---

Very interesting, Izo! Thanks. Izo wrote: [...] I found these especially interesting.

Thanks to you!

TomHChappell wrote: Zoris wrote: I wonder what your word for "lap" is, if any. Is it the same as "legs", some sort of phrase, or a totally new word? I don't think I included "lap" in my original list, did I? Do you think I should? What do others think?

Why not? I included it in the expansion of the Helleran Lexicon of Human Anatomy, which I will post in this thread as soon as I complete it (what I included on my last post was based on your list): it will include more organs, bodyparts and substances, including the names for all human bones and muscles, and a deep view of every major organ system.

The list, as I will show it, represents the medical knowledge of human anatomy as it was in the time where my novels take place. _________________ Izambri fadí carol geldi! Sis perans geu gasirant! Ia'mhrust no-Lhavindol suintil Lassenes tys sardanela eiseis armex

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject:

I'm gonna bump up this thread because I think it's full of valuable information. _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject:

UROBASICAN

Body Corpo -Blood vessel Vessilo de Sango --Artery Arterio --Vein Veîno -Material of which it is composed --Bone Oso --Cartilage Cartilagio --Skin Pelo --Muscle Musclo --Fat Lipido --Blood Sango -Trunk (torso) Trongo/Torso --Chest Caffro ---Heart Coro ---Lung Pomeno --Abdomen or Belly Abdomeno ---Stomach Estomaco ---Liver Fusjo ---Spleen Kescauro ---Intestines Intesnós --Waist Dasrão -Neck Collo -Extremity --Head Testo ---Hair Cavero ---Ear Orelo

Earhole Casemo d'Orelo

Earlobe? Lûbe

---Eye Optro

Eyeball Globo d'Optro

Iris Iris

Pupil Pupiro

Sclera Sclera

Eyebrow Sobbrio

Eyelid Pardigo

Eyelash Cyliu

Eye socket Domecco d'Optro

Tear gland Glando dè Plurós

---Nose Neso

Nostril Nestrilo

---Mouth Boco

Jaw Macco

Maxilla (upper jaw) Maxilla

Mandible (lower jaw) Mandiblo

Tooth Dento

Incisor Incisèro

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth Primca dento

Molar (and/or premolar?) Molaro

Tongue Languo

--Limb Omembrio ---Arm Ièbro

Shoulder Costrio

Elbow Vikastrio

Wrist Pristão

Humerus (upper arm) Humerus

Lower Arm L'ièbro surina

Hand Maño

Palm Paumo

---Leg J'azabo

Hip Fahjo

buttock Destro

Knee Noremo

Ankle Cavliniro

Thigh (upper leg) Ecaustro

Shank Shánk

Shin Shimno

Calf Vecravo

Foot Pedio

Sole Sôle

Heel Talono

Ball Balo

--Digit Dijéto ---Nail Otrís

Fingernail Otrís de Dijéto

Toenail Otrís de Puçavo

---Toe Puçavo

Pollex Pollexo

Pinky toe or little toe Granda Puçavo

Other individual toes? None

---Thumb Puço

Thumbnail Otrís de Puço

---Finger Dijéto

Index finger Dijéto Indexo

Pinky finger Dijéto Pestanda

Middle finger Dijéto Midiena

Ring finger Dijéto d'Annilo

---female femaraia

vagina vajno

womb utero

---male maraia

penis peneso/penetraso/pestaso

testicle testicuro

-Side Visjeiro --Back Destra --Front Avastra --Left Gosca --Right Diréjito --Bottom (lower) Subina --Top (upper) Surina -Orifices Orifiçós --anus anús

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dinnae Tšur

Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Location: Elsewhere

Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject:

Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription):

My apologies, this was a neat table

In, inside of - Tendet (heart) /ˈtɛndət/ Out, outside of - Twizo (shell, skull) /ˈtwizoʊ/ Around (static) - Natan (skin, bark) /natɔn/ Through (static) - Ped (stick, rod) /pɛd/ On top of, Over (static) - Miye (hair) /ˈmijə/ Above, Over (static) - Aol (cloud) /ɔβ̞͡ɫ/ Underneath - Bundu (underside) /ˈbɵndʊw/ Below - Neeza (grass) /ˈniza/ Beside, Next to - Stabed (arm) /ˈstabəd/ In front of - Danćod (chest) /ˈdɔntɕɔd/ Behind - Kee (back) /k͜xi/ At (in a place; at a moment) - Se /sə/ Over (dynamic) - Meyl (wing) /ˈmɛil/ Under, Before - Asper (water) /ˈaspər/ Through (dynamic), During, While being in - Ense (spear) /ˈɛnsə/ Past, After - Huś (wind) /hʊɕ/ From elsewhere towards here - Sitei (source of river) /ˈsiti/ Towards a specific location Ula (gaze) /ˈʊla/ Away from here - Pridas (buttocks) /ˈpridas/ Alongside - Dedomheyet (lover, lit hand-holder) /dədɔˈmejət/ < relatively recent addition to the pronoun list, con-historically Off - Away, from touching - Donin (fall) /ˈdɔnɘn/ Into (place, area, state) - Raowemelek (field of view) /rɔwəˈmeilək/ (always makes me think 'raw milk') Out of (place, area, state) - Meśa (leaf bud) /ˈmeiɕa/ Around (dynamic) - Malman (orbit) /ˈmɔlmɔn/, dynamic form of /ˈmɔlma/, hug Moving around the inside of area or place - Sefse (sniff around) /ˈsɛfsə/

--- And no, this is not a confusing system. Talanese requires articles for nouns pretty much all the time (because nouns themselves don't inflect much), and of course prepositions don't have articles. It all came to me when I was reading a rather interesting text that had something to do with perception of time, progress and motion in Mediaeval paintings in the library. Actually, my whole TAM system is built upon inspiration drawn from that! ---

As for the body parts list, well... I haven't filled out much, yet, because I've chosen to do it elaborately. I have more words for body parts than there are on this list, but I just haven't reached them yet while filling it out!

Thanks for providing it, though. Here's what I have so far (.htm converted from .doc) http://www.by002.net/~neuteboo/bodyparts.htm

I'll get there... some time!

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject:

This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise! _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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Izo Šalea

Joined: 04 Apr 2004 Location: Catalonia

Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:39 am    Post subject:

Soap wrote: This thread is 3 days away from being pruned. I will post in here with a list soon, I promise!

Two weeks ago I saw it was close of being pruned and I thought of posting here to retain it, but finally I forgot to do it... . Luckily I'm not the only one that will post soon here! _________________ Izambri fadí carol geldi! Sis perans geu gasirant! Ia'mhrust no-Lhavindol suintil Lassenes tys sardanela eiseis armex

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TomHChappell Šalea

Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Location: South-East Michigan

Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Might it be a good idea to move this list to someplace it won't expire from, like a wiki? Maybe KneeQuickie? Or frathwiki? Or Chris Bates's linguistics wiki? Or the Conlang Wikia? Or even L&L Museum? I can move it to KneeQuickie, I think. I probably need Neek's permission first. Same with the others; maybe I can do it, but I probably need the owners' permission. But I can't move it to the Museum.

dinnae wrote: Talanese motional/locational/temporal prepositions are derived from body parts or other nouns (note, /a/ is actually more central, and /r/ usually is a tap, but they written as such for the ease of transcription): Hey, that's neat! Thanks. _________________ Sappho wrote: The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.

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Soap Šalea

Joined: 16 Feb 2003 Location: Soapatopia

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject:

Quote: I probably need Neek's permission first. The KQ is down right now and Neek's doing basic training so he probably wont be able to fix it anytime soon. Nevertheless, I think that in the long term that or some other wiki might be a good idea.

Edit: the KQ is back; it looks like he has monthly bandwidth caps, and he exceeded it in April, but it's back now that it's May. _________________ I've always been an anarcho-socialist. There should be no government, and it should pay for everything. --- seen on alternatehistory.com

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langover94 Gent

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: USA

Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject:

Here's some of the body parts that I have in Danšlağ. I haven't really gotten specific with them, although I have got the "main" ones.

body- ri nose- nopu ear- yakušu mouth- slata eye- aslo tongue- zabu teeth- clač tonsils- kakraku neck- uxač hair- skoru head- baru shoulder- tuŵ arm- cura hand- ğeš finger- baklaŵer fingernail- baklaŵeruka thumb- kuku chest- orka breast- ğuš stomach- iču lungs- abačeraku leg- laŵe ankle- etai foot- teš toe- kuklaŵer toenail- kaklaŵeruka genital- irosi penis- bamu vagina- omaru

That's pretty much all I have so far. I'm sure I'll add more after reading this, though. _________________ It's about time for a sig-change.

TULIBU DIBU DOUCHOO!!

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Mecislau Šalea

Joined: 24 Jul 2003 Location: Maryland

Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 2:47 pm    Post subject:

Novegradian:

Body тѣло tiě́lo -Blood vessel кревоносита жила krevonósita žíla (lit. "blood-carrying vessel") --Artery артеря artiéria --Vein вена véna -Material of which it is composed матеряљ зе котраево состаулене materiáł ze kotrájevo sostáulene --Bone кости kósti --Gristle or cartilage (sp? cartilege?) хреце hréce --Skin плоти plóti --Muscle мишка míška --Fat туке túke --Blood крев krév -Trunk (torso) торсе tórse --Chest грандина дантина grándina dántina (lit. "breast cavity") ---Heart серце siérce ---Lung плуце plúce --Abdomen or Belly желудок želudók (not distinguished from "stomach") ---Stomach желудок želudók ---Liver етро iétro ---Spleen слезени sleziéni ---Intestines есто iésto --Waist таля tália -Neck шия šíja -Extremity концина kóncina --Head глава gláva ---Hair власи vlási ---Ear оху óhu

Earhole ---

Earlobe? ---

---Eye око óko

Eyeball оцное яблоко ócnoje iábloko (lit. "eye apple")

Iris оцное кољце ócnoje kołcé (lit. "eye ring")

Pupil оцней дѣде ócnej dědié (lit. "eye child")

Sclera бѣлое око bě́loje óko (lit. "white eye")

Eyebrow брев brév

Eyelid вѣко vě́ko

Eyelash ресница résnica or ресна résna

Eye socket оцней доље ócnej dółe (lit. "eye pit")

Tear gland слезная жлеза sléznaja žlezá

---Nose носе nóse

Nostril носдера nosderá

---Mouth роте róte

Jaw целусти célusti

Maxilla (upper jaw) верхеная целусти verhénaja célusti (lit. "upper jaw")

Mandible (lower jaw) нижная целусти nížnaja célusti (lit. "lower jaw")

Tooth забе zábe

Incisor предней забе prédnej zábe (lit. "foretooth")

Eyetooth or Canine Tooth коле kóle

Molar (and/or premolar?) глауней забе gláunej zábe (lit. "headtooth")

Tongue лизике lizíke

--Limb концина kóncina (not distinguished from "extremity") ---Arm рока róka (not distinguished from "hand")

Shoulder плеѕо pledzó (not distinguished from "upper arm")

Elbow лакоти lákoti

Wrist подруцие podrucjé (lit. "beneath the hand")

Humerus (upper arm) плеѕо pledzó (common usage, not distinguished from "shoulder") or надлакоцие nadlakocjé (lit. "above the elbow", in medical usage)

Lower Arm предлакоцие predlakocjé (largely medical usage)

Hand рока róka (not distinguished from "arm")

Palm длани dláni

---Leg нога nogá (not distinguished from "foot")

Hip ланцо lancó

buttock (if different) заде záde (lit. "rear, behind")

Knee колѣно kolě́no

Ankle глезне glézne

Thigh (upper leg) бедро bedró

Shank (lower leg, between knee and ankle) голени goléni (not distinguished from "shin")

Shin голени goléni (not distinguished from "shank")

Calf лиска líska

Foot нога nogá (common usage, not distinguished from "leg") or пѣхе pě́he (largely medical usage)

Sole позпѣшие pozpěšjé (lit. "under the foot")

Heel пида pidá

Ball ---

--Digit (toe or thumb or finger) порсте pórste ---Nail ноготи nógoti

Fingernail ноготи рокѣ nógoti rókě (lit. "nail on the hand")

Toenail ноготи ногѣ nógoti nogiě́ (lit. "nail on the foot")

---Toe порсте на ногѣ pórste nogiě́ (lit. "digit on the foot")

Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) палоке ногѣ páloke nogiě́ (lit. "thumb on the foot")

Pinky toe or little toe вейка ногѣ véjka nogiě́ (lit. "little digit on the foot")

Other individual toes? -just find the equivalent finger name and add ногѣ; each finger name can refer to either the finger or the equivalent toe, though in common usage it is generally assumed that the hand is meant unless otherwise specified or context makes it clear

---Thumb палоке páloke

Thumbnail ноготи палокѣ nógoti pálokě (lit. "nail on the thumb")

---Finger порсте pórste (like the individual fingers and toes, this term can refer to either a finger or toe in general, but by default is assumed to refer to the fingers)

Index finger предовоке predovóke (lit. "the front one")

Pinky finger вейка véjka (lit. "little twig")

Middle finger срединоке sredinóke (lit. "the middle one")

Ring finger безимѣнноке beziměnnóke (lit. "the unnamed one", a name you see in Russian and several Uralic languages)

--My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! плодовии plodóviji (lit. "[organs for] producing offspring") ---female женески плодовии žéneski plodóviji

vagina туло túlo

womb трево trévo

---male мужески плодовии múžeski plodóviji

penis шлене šléne (lit. "member")

testicle яйѕок iajdzók (lit. "little egg")

-Side страна straná --Back заде záde (for the back part of the body) or спина spína (for the actual back/spine) --Front преде préde --Left лѣво lě́vo --Right право právo --Bottom (lower) низе níze --Top (upper) верхе vérhe -Orifices отуоре ótuore --anus задней отуоре zádnej ótuore (lit. "rear orifice") --urethral meatus? --

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 What bodypart does your conculture think is the seat of consciousness?
 Popular answers are the eyes and the heart; but modern Western culture says "the brain".
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-Tom H.C. in MI
-Last edited by TomHChappell on Thu Sep 13, 2007 11:58 am; edited 4 times in total
---[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 == Things included and things omitted on purpose, with reasons ==
-Author: TomHChappell
-Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:41 pm
-cromulant wrote:
-Your forgot the Isles of Langerhans.
-----
 I tried to leave out most things that were microscopic (like the Islets), and most things that were not visible on the surface (like the Islets).
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 It would be reasonable for some conlangs not to have all of these, and for others to have body-part terms in addition to these.
---[[User:Eldin raigmore|eldin]] 23:35, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
+== (Unknown conlang 1) ==
-== (lost post, including name of conlang) ==
 Author: cromulant
-Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:29 am
-My word for arm is khaib.
-I'll get back to you on all the others.
-----
-Last edited by cromulant on Sun May 04, 2008 1:14 am; edited 1 time in total
+arm - khaib.
 == Pabappa ==
 Author: Soap
-Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:56 am
 Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
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 feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
-Soap
-Šalea
-Joined: 16 Feb 2003
-Location: Soapatopia
- Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:08 pm    Post subject:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-THC wrote:
-What's the name of your conlang?
-Sorry, it's called Pabappa.
-Quote:
 Why more than one word?
 The ones separated by commas are synonyms. In some cases, there are synonyms because Pabappa was spoken for a long time over a large area, and since much of its vocabulary was created by loaning from aboriginal languages, even body parts could be called something different from one place to the other. Also, some words are just variations of each other; e.g. blampilpim and pilpi are both from the same root. And in the case of the genitals, there are a lot of slang words as well. Some of them probably have slightly different uses, but I haven't thought about it deeply yet.
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 No word for thigh yet, other than if I wanted to make a phrase that just means "upper behind leg", but I might think of something better eventually. Is this all going to a database somewhere or are you just curious?
-cromulant wrote:
-Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
-Yes. Pabappa started as a jokelang three years ago, but I got too attached to it to let it remain as such.
-== I think Kuvdamos and Soap are the same person? ==
-Author: Kuvdamos
-Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
--Blood vessel tamapop
---Artery tamap
---Vein tamap wurpap peso
--Material of which it is composed
---Bone pansa
---Skin perebi
---Muscle soppi
---Fat blampilpim, pilpi
---Blood tapema
--Trunk (torso) sumpobi
---Chest pammum
----Heart wepse, wawa
----Lung ebo, ebobi
---Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
----Stomach pemarapupi
----Liver pabapi
----Spleen barrampi
----Intestines wampupi
---Waist pemarapupi
--Neck pia pawa palidapa
--Extremity palupopi, pemiabi
---Head wibu, pawapi
----Hair wesum
----Ear uma, sobopi
-----Earhole umabosadepi
----Eye pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
-----Eyeball pamala, wamul, oppi, pispi
------Iris pispadapi
------Pupil pispaliapi
------Sclera no word yet
-----Eyebrow pisamblesum
-----Eyelid osinipi
------Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
-----Eye socket opposadepi
-----Tear gland liblapampi
----Nose tapi, wampadampi, ewepi
-----Nostril taposadepi
----Mouth popopi
-----Jaw poposopi
------Maxilla (upper jaw) assa poposopi
------Mandible (lower jaw) palida poposopi
-----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
------Incisor no word yet
------Eyetooth or Canine Tooth no word yet
------Molar (and/or premolar?) no word yet
-----Tongue blampi
---Limb pemia
----Arm pemia
-----Shoulder maba
-----Elbow pemiabimbra
-----Wrist pia webes pampsam
-----Humerus (upper arm) no word yet
-----Lower Arm no word yet
-----Hand pebui, ampi, pampsam, salpo, pawam
------Palm purpapimpam bla pampsam pia mipalbapsa
----Leg pampipi
-----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
-----Knee pimbra
-----Ankle pebapi bliwipi
-----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
-----Shin no word yet
-----Foot aspi
------Sole no word yet
------Ball no word yet
---Digit (toe or thumb or finger) no word yet
----Nail ebbi
-----Fingernail ebbi
-----Toenail ebbi warp aspi
----Toe saweman sampi pia
-----Pollex ("Great" Toe or Big Toe) no word yet
-----Pinky toe or little toe no word yet
-----Other toes? no word yet
----Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
-----Thumbnail arpebbi
----Finger sempi
-----Index finger no word yet
-----Pinky finger no word yet
-----Middle finger no word yet
-----Ring finger no word yet
---My god, how could I have left out the genitalia?!?! perpebi ("genitals")
----female pupap, labap
-----vagina wempa, lara, rompa, arawap
-----womb rompa, pampam, mimal, topo, lolob, nipa
----male nope, palsip, lupap
-----penis pubu, noba, nampe, pampapi, nidi, pidapi
-----testicle lespapi (plural only)
--Side popapitabi
---Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
---Front jubipi
---Left blumperbap
---Right porpubat
---Bottom (lower) purpa
---Top (upper) pimpampi
--Orifices
---anus parpab
---urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")
-More:
-buttocks: porpe, perara, puru, sal
-clitoris: pubi
-urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
-feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
-Thanks.
+==Unknown conlang 2==
-What's the name of your conlang?
+Author: Kuvdamos
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
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 urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
 feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
-Why more than one word?
-In some cases, viz.
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 --Vein tamap wurpap peso
 --Abdomen or Belly pia pemarapup, pemarapupi
@@ Line 475: / Line 317: @@
 ---Toe saweman sampi pia
 ---Thumb abi, abepi, pampsap abepem
-it looks like you need a phrase to distinguish from some other body-part;
-but in some cases, viz.
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 Body abba, blassi, ubbalap
 --Fat blampilpim, pilpi
@@ Line 504: / Line 340: @@
 urine: lop, ibbi, wapom, soba, sopa, pupi, pupu
 feces: wa, wam, wapsa, wawa, pilpabi, popop, porpobbum, pepabi, sepabi
-it looks like you have more than one term which are interpretable by the same "English" term.
-In the latter cases, is that because your conlang makes a distinction "English" doesn't (actually, that I didn't?)
-Or do you have two different synonyms? In which case when is it appropriate to use the one, and when the other?
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 -----Sclera no word yet
 -----Incisor no word yet
@@ Line 530: / Line 357: @@
 ----Middle finger no word yet
 ----Ring finger no word yet
-Fine. Not all languages have words for these. Yours may end up needing phrases for some of these.
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 ----Tooth pampi (plural only), amilam, wisse
 ----Hip piam, perara (both plural)
 ----testicle lespapi (plural only)
-Fine. Thanks.
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 --Back porpepi (usually interpreted as meaning "buttocks")
 --urethral meatus? loposadepi ("urine hole")
-OK. Thanks.
-Kuvdamos wrote:
 ----Eyebrow pisamblesum
 -----Eyelash opwesum (ack!! I used "eye hair" twice with two different words for eye!)
-That's fine, probably.
-Kuvdamos wrote:
-----Thigh (upper arm) dont you mean upper leg?
-Yes!
-I have edited it.
-Do you have a word for "thigh" in your conlang?
------
-Tom H.C. in MI
-_________________
-Sappho wrote:
-The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.
-Last edited by TomHChappell on Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:12 pm; edited 1 time in total
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-TomHChappell
-Šalea
-Joined: 28 Dec 2005
-Location: South-East Michigan
- Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-(Accidental duplicate post I was not able to delete.)
------
-Tom H.C. in MI
-Last edited by TomHChappell on Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:14 pm; edited 2 times in total
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-== Drem ==
-Author: doctrellor
-Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 1:34 pm
-I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
-like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
-so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
-I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
-_________________
-cromulant
-Gent
-Joined: 14 Jul 2006
- Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 2:48 pm    Post subject:
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-Kuvdamos, I'm detecting a fondness for bilabial plosives. Am I right?
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-TomHChappell
-Šalea
-Joined: 28 Dec 2005
-Location: South-East Michigan
- Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Body Parts In Your Conlangs
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-doctrellor wrote:
-TomHChappell wrote:
-Does your conlang ... use any of these terms, or reduced forms of them, as affixes?
-Or as verbs or adjectives or prepositions or conjunctions or pronouns?
-I have a set of roots, with compounds to attach greater detail
-like finger + nail = fingernail or mouth + lower = jaw or head + high = scalp/forehead and so on
-so an amalgamation of roots or root/locatives usually does the trick (to get as specific as needed) for the Drem
-I'll post my list sometime later/tonight..
-Thanks. I look forward to it.
---------
-Tom H.C. in MI
-_________________
-Sappho wrote:
-The moon has set, and the Pleiades; it is midnight, and time passes, and I sleep alone.
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 == Zevino'shoma ==