Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Proposed grammatical particles

present tense

2011-4-19

-su — 2/2 (BF,ES,/FH,JH,)

• (Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
• (Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
  • TODO move this discussion to Grammar page and add a vote rubric for it
• See the Sentences page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.
• Please do not move this vote to the "accepted words" section until we have decided on the corresponding issue on the grammar page.

instrumental preposition

2011-5-8

mym — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

across

2011-5-10

fao — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

• across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.

negative

According to the grammar page, this is a verb suffix.

2011-5-19

-ni — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

• See also the vote on "no".

intention

According to the grammar page, this is a verb suffix.

2011-5-19

-tsun — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

Proposed content words

plant

• the noun, not the verb

2011-5-19

dana — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

to consume

• eat, drink, etc (not read, buy, etc)

2011-4-20

ionh — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

family

2011-4-23

jane — 3/0 (BF,RJ,FH,/0)

child

2011-4-23

kemsu — 3/0 (BF,RJ,FH,/0)

• This could mean 'offspring' as well. I don't envision it as being restricted to one species (ie, homo sapiens).-Bornfor 17:04 23 Apr 2011 (EST)

to go

2011-5-8

mina — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

• To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —FH
• Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
  • Let usage define meaning. —FH

goat

2011-5-8

bendiza — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

evil

2011-5-8

tthuy — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

• I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ

beautiful

2011-5-8

djensi — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

elephant

2011-5-8

tampfy — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

bridge

2011-5-10

bvya — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

• For Naeso I usually follow the let usage define meaning principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. these are, but these aren't). —FH

to run

Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —FH

2011-5-11

new word — 1/1 (BF,/FH,)

2011-5-11

go fast — 1/1 (FH,/BF,)

• In that case, how would we even say 'go fast', if, say, one were going on... a train? 'The train goes fast' would in this case = 'the train runs'. You don't find that confusing? - BF

fast

2011-5-11

tsia — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

very

This vote has been moved to the grammar page.

to marry

2011-5-11

kaminhto — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

to ask

2011-5-19

nugo — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

For an example see line 4 of the LCC4 torch.

• If we introduce another word like bam that means whether, we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —FH

to know

2011-5-19

baum — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

name

See also the names page.

2011-5-19

teono — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

to cut

2011-5-19

tsam — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

head

2011-5-19

bveo — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

body

2011-5-19

kemga — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

Meta-Naeso

(words about working on Naeso)

to start

2011-4-23

kinha — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to vote

2011-4-23

sunhiti — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to support a position, to agree with, to vote for

2011-4-23

dzala — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to disagree with, to vote against

2011-4-23

fambu — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to propose

2011-4-23

eljy — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to attract someone's attention

2011-4-23

pinh — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

mythos

2011-4-23

lilaifu — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

• Real Life, get it. ~RJ

logic

yes

2011-5-19

ae — 1/0 (FH,/0)

no

2011-5-19

ni — 2/0 (FH,BF,/0)

position

prefix — VOTED IN

infix — VOTED OUT

postfix — VOTED OUT

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as bvi dol gel.

• Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —Jim Henry 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
• It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
• Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —Jim Henry 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
• I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —FH

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety. Please do not vote below!

• pulthy
• nuvu
• jajue

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

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