Talk:Logogram Project/Stage 1
Ran's musings while working through Chapter 1 of Greek: An Intensive Course
Ancient Greek phonology is actually surprising similar to Japanese. The vowel system, the long and short vowels, the pitch accent, all seems rather reminiscent of Japanese. Of course, the phonotactics aren't Japanese at all.
In any case, given the following claims made by Wikipedia about the Classical Period:
- All the plosives are still intact, including the aspirated ones
- The spiritus asper is pronounced, etc.
- The various vowel letters and digraphs actually reflect real phonemic differences
- etc.
It seems that the Japanese vowels click themselves into place (but not the consonants):
(Vowels)
| a | あ | aa | ああ | ai | あい | au | あう | aai | ああい | ||
| e | え | ee | ええ | ei | えい | eu | えう | eei | ええい | eeu | ええう |
| i | い | ii | いい | ||||||||
| o | お | oo | おお | oi | おい | ou | おう | ooi | おおい | ||
| u | う | uu | うう | ui | うい |
(Consonants)
| p | ぱ | b | ば | ph | ぱは | ||
| t | た | d | だ | th | たは | ||
| k | か | g | が | kh | かは | ||
| m | ま | n | な | ||||
| r | ら | l | ら？ | s | さ | h | は |
(Consonants not being followed by a vowel)
What to do with these?
| p | ぷ | b | ぶ | ph | ぷふ | ||
| t | と | d | ど | th | とほ | ||
| k | く | g | ぐ | kh | くほ | ||
| m | む | n | ぬ | n /_C | ん？ | ||
| r | る | l | る？ | s | す |
(Kana that are not being used)
や ゆ よ わ を
(Test - as can be seen, consonant clusters aren't being handled very well)
| tékhnee | てくほねえ / 技ねえ | tékhnai | てくほない / 技ない |
| tékhnees | てくほねえす / 技ねえす | tekhnóon | てくほのおぬ / 技のおぬ |
| tékhneei | てくほねえい / 技ねえい | tékhnais | てくほないす / 技ないす |
| tékhneen | てくほねえぬ / 技ねえぬ | tékhnaas | てくほなあす / 技なあす |
| agoraá | あごらあ / 市らあ | agoraí | あごらい / 市らい |
| agoráas | あごらあす / 市らあす | agoróon | あごろおぬ / 市ろおぬ |
| agoráai | あごらあい / 市らあい | agoráis | あごらいす / 市らいす |
| agoraán | あごらあん / 市らあぬ | agoraás | あごらあす / 市らあす |
| ánthroopos/-e | あんとほろおぽす/-ぺ / 人ぽす/-ぺ | ánthroopoi | あんとほろおぽい / 人ぽい |
| anthroópou | あんとほろおぽう / 人ぽう | anthroópoon | あんとほろおぽおぬ / 人ぽおぬ |
| anthroópooi | あんとほろおぽおい / 人ぽおい | anthroópois | あんとほろおぽいす / 人ぽいす |
| ánthroopon | あんとほろおぽぬ / 人ぽぬ | anthroúpous | あんとほろうぽうす / 人ぽうす |
| érgon | えるごぬ / 仕事ごぬ | érga | えるが / 仕事が |
| érgou | えるごう / 仕事ごう | érgoon | えるごおぬ / 仕事ごおぬ |
| érgooi | えるごおい / 仕事ごおい | érgois | えるごいす / 仕事ごいす |
| érgon | えるごぬ / 仕事ごぬ | érga | えるが / 仕事が |
Also.... the biggest question of all:
Do we use hiragana or katakana?
I'm inclined towards finding some excuse to keep both.
-- Ran 19:04, 13 February 2008 (PST)
