FrathWiki:Idle chatter
Forum for random and possibly off-topic discussions. Relays, calls for collaboration, conlangs in the news, the price of PEZ in China...
Conlang-related chat tends to take place at the ZBB - but you probably already knew that. --Vlad 21:39, 12 Sep 2004 (PDT)
- I tend to get my conlang-related chat from mailing lists instead of web boards... actually I don't go by the ZBB at all. Maybe I should check it out? —Muke Tever | ✎ 05:53, 13 Sep 2004 (PDT)
Useless definitions being added, see Linux.definition, PHP.definition, Av.definition.
- Deleted. If the contributor wants them back, they can login and explain what relevance they have here. —Muke Tever | ✎ 05:53, 13 Sep 2004 (PDT)
Glottal stop vs. null consonant
What is the difference? Is the null consonant actually an abbreviation of the glottal stop? (By null consonant I mean the "consonant" before the vowel in [a].) Are there languages which exhibit a minimal pair between the two? I know that certain dialects of Japanese have minimal pairs for [pʔi] and [pi] and similar. - 刘 (劉) 振霖 04:46, 17 Sep 2004 (PDT)
- I believe that some Polynesian or Pacific languages contrast initial [ʔa] and [a]. I believe in languages that do so the glottal stop is generally more distinctively pronounced than the non-phonemic use of glottal stop in other languages. Alternately to emphasize glottalless [a] one would use a vocalic onglide, such as [ḁa] or [a̯a]. —Muke Tever | ✎ 07:42, 17 Sep 2004 (PDT)
Some Tibetan dialects distinguish what is allegedly either /ʔ/ and zero or /ʔ/ and /ɦ/. Against the /ɦ/ hypothesis speaks that Hindi speakers don't hear the Tibetan འ as [ɦ]. OTOH the Lhasa dialect, which is kind of standard, has merged the two as /ʔ/ with the following vowel in high or low tone. Possibly it is /ʔ/ vs. /ɰ/ since Tibetan has /x/ as well, or the realization of 'zero' differs across dialects. BPJ 12:50, 10 May 2005 (PDT)
