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'''Vasco-Caucasian''' is a hypothetical [[language family]] or phylum whose extant members are [[Basque]],  Northwest Caucasian (Abkhaz-Adyghe), Northeast Caucasian (Nakh-Daghestani) and Burushaski, but not Kartvelian (South Caucasian). Although first proposed by John Bengtson, it had a precedent in the "Asianitic" group proposed by the Polish geographer Bogdan Zaborski c. 1970.  
'''Vasco-Caucasian''' or '''Macro-Caucasian''' is a hypothetical [[language family]] or phylum whose extant members are [[Basque]],  Northwest Caucasian (Abkhaz-Adyghe), Northeast Caucasian (Nakh-Daghestani) and Burushaski, but not Kartvelian (South Caucasian). Although first proposed by John Bengtson, it had a precedent in the "Asianitic" group proposed by the Polish geographer Bogdan Zaborski c. 1970. As in the case of [[Nostratic]], most historical linguists do not consider the evidence sufficient. That doesn't mean that the Marco-Caucasian hypothesis is ''wrong''; but if these languages are related to each other, the time depth probably exceeds the range of the current comparative method.


Extinct languages such as Hurro-Urartian, Hattic, Minoan, Etruscan and Iberian have also been proposed to belong to this phylum, which would be an extension of Sergei Starostin's North Caucasian family (which groups together NEC and NWC) and at a same time part of a larger Dene-Caucasian group also including Sino-Tibetan and Yeniseian. The so-called "Mediterranean substrate" in Southern European languages may also contain Vasco-Caucasian loanwords, mostly related to local flora and fauna.
Extinct languages such as Hurro-Urartian, Hattic, Minoan, Etruscan and Iberian have also been proposed to belong to this phylum, which would be an extension of Sergei Starostin's North Caucasian family (which groups together NEC and NWC) and at a same time part of a larger Dene-Caucasian group also including Sino-Tibetan and Yeniseian. [[User:Talskubilos|Octavià Alexandre]] is an adherent of this hypothesis, but now he excludes Basque because there're too few reliable lexical matches (most of Bengtson's Basque-Caucasian comparisons are flawed) and they happen to be ''Wanderwörter'' from North Caucasian into PIE (studied by [http://starling.rinet.ru/Texts/iecauc.pdf Starostin himself]) which later reached Basque.
 
[[User:Talskubilos|Octavià Alexandre]] is an adherent of this hypothesis, but (as in the case of [[Nostratic]]) most historical linguists do not consider the evidence sufficient. That doesn't mean that the Vasco-Caucasian hypothesis is ''wrong''; but if these languages are related to each other, the time depth probably exceeds the range of the current comparative method.
However, some IE languages such as Slavic may also contain Macro-Caucasian loanwords, such as e.g. '''*mogyla''' 'burial mound' and '''*pesə''' ‘dog’, and also the languages spoken by the bearers of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria-Margiana_Archaeological_Complex BMAC culture], which left loanwords in Indo-Iranian, could belong to Macro-Caucasian.


==See also==
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Revision as of 13:40, 20 September 2016

Vasco-Caucasian or Macro-Caucasian is a hypothetical language family or phylum whose extant members are Basque, Northwest Caucasian (Abkhaz-Adyghe), Northeast Caucasian (Nakh-Daghestani) and Burushaski, but not Kartvelian (South Caucasian). Although first proposed by John Bengtson, it had a precedent in the "Asianitic" group proposed by the Polish geographer Bogdan Zaborski c. 1970. As in the case of Nostratic, most historical linguists do not consider the evidence sufficient. That doesn't mean that the Marco-Caucasian hypothesis is wrong; but if these languages are related to each other, the time depth probably exceeds the range of the current comparative method.

Extinct languages such as Hurro-Urartian, Hattic, Minoan, Etruscan and Iberian have also been proposed to belong to this phylum, which would be an extension of Sergei Starostin's North Caucasian family (which groups together NEC and NWC) and at a same time part of a larger Dene-Caucasian group also including Sino-Tibetan and Yeniseian. Octavià Alexandre is an adherent of this hypothesis, but now he excludes Basque because there're too few reliable lexical matches (most of Bengtson's Basque-Caucasian comparisons are flawed) and they happen to be Wanderwörter from North Caucasian into PIE (studied by Starostin himself) which later reached Basque.

However, some IE languages such as Slavic may also contain Macro-Caucasian loanwords, such as e.g. *mogyla 'burial mound' and *pesə ‘dog’, and also the languages spoken by the bearers of the BMAC culture, which left loanwords in Indo-Iranian, could belong to Macro-Caucasian.

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