Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or voted out. Thanks!

Proposed grammatical particles

present tense

-su — 3/1 (BF,FH,ES,/JH,)

• (Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
• (Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
  • TODO move this discussion to Grammar page and add a vote rubric for it
• See the Sentences page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.

temporal preposition

fyu — 2/3 (FH,JH,/ES,RJ,BF,)

fui — 3/2 (ES,RJ,BF,/JH,FH,)

• This can be used for stuff like four weeks ago or next month. How exactly these will be translated is not yet defined. —Fenhl 17:09, 17 October 2010 (PDT)

for

• for, with the intent of, to <verb>
• This can be used as a normal preposition (e.g. tau gelan, for water) or like bam to start a subordinate clause (e.g. To bake <food>, you need <ingredients> = <need> ku y pan <ingredients> tau <bake> va <food>)

tau — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)

Proposed content words

balloon, dirigible

kunoypavi — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

to fly

pavi — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)

airplane, dirigible

kunoytemya — 3/0 (JH,RJ,FH,/0)

to want

sidu — 0/4 (0/BF,JH,FH,RJ,)

• I suggest using a desiderative mood affix like bornfor's proposed "-im" with the main verb, rather than a dedicated "want" verb. To say you want a thing rather than want to perform an action, put the "-im" suffix on an "acquire" or "possess" or "eat" or "drink" etc. verb. —JH
  • This suffix is already voted in, so I second this —Fenhl 07:04, 23 October 2010 (PDT)

public, common, non-private, objective

pimum — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

private, subjective, idiosyncratic

teinen — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

public transportation vehicle

• bus, train, subway, …

kunoy pimum — 3/1 (FH,JH,BF,/RJ,)

kunoy nhu — 3/1 (RJ,FH,BF,/JH,)

public transportation station

• train station, bus station, …

kunoypimum — 0/4 (0/FH,JH,RJ,BF,)

kyba kunoypimumbi — 3/1 (JH,FH,BF,/RJ,)

to give birth

• note that to be born can easily be formed with something like Ete va <name>. See also Naeso/Sentences.

ete — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)

plant

• the noun, not the verb

thana — 2/0 (BF,FH,/0)

leaf

anho — 2/0 (BF,FH,/0)

Earth

naesa — 2/0 (BF,FH,/0)

• I assume you mean the material, since we already have a word for the planet. —Fenhl 04:17, 18 April 2011 (PDT)

logic

position

prefix — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)

infix — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)

postfix — 1/3 (RJ,/FH,JH,BF,)

E.g., for each of those possible positions we would express "red and blue" as:

• prefix: bvi dol gel
• infix: dol bvi gel
• suffix: dol gel bvi

• Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. --Jim Henry 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
• It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
• Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. --Jim Henry 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety. Please do not vote below!

• bendiza
• kaminto
• kaminhto
• pulthy
• kemsu
• ionh

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

associative plural

• Used similarly to English "& co.", see also the description at WALS.

-dun — 4/1 (ES,FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)

genitive+plural

• This is supposed to work with all plural forms: additive, collective and associative.

-bin — 5/0 (ES,JH,FH,RJ,BF,/0)

Interrogative pronoun

poynh — 4/0 (FH,JH,RJ,BF,/0)

locative preposition

so — 4/0 (FH,JH,RJ,BF,/0)

public, free

• free as in "free software", not "free of charge"

nhu — 4/0 (RJ,FH,BF,JH,/0)

yellow

djy — 4/1 (FH,JH,RJ,BF,/ES,)