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The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.

More Specific Rules

Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.

Participants

Current Participants

It is Peter Bleackley's turn.

Possible Participants

These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.

Karen Badham
Benct Philip Jonsson

Former Participants

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Sound Changes

Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.

Stage 1

a: > a
e > ɛ
e: > e
i > e
i: > i
o > ɔ
o: > o
u > o
u: > u
y > i
y: > i
ai > ɛ
oi > e
n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
h > Ø
w > β
b > β / V_(V,r)
m > Ø / _#
m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
(e,i) > j / _V
u > w / _V
VV > V
V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV

Stage 2

[fricative] > Ø / V_V
n > r / V_V
g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)

Stage 3

(k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
s > h / #_V
u > ʉ
a > æ / _[+anterior]
e > ɞ

Stage 4

i > ʉ
ɛ > æ
[single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
l > λ

Stage 5

j > λ
(kw, gw) > (p, b)
o > u
(ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
u > ɯ

Stage 6

a > ɑ / #_
ɣ > v
ɔ > ɤ
(ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
λ > ʎ̥˔

Stage 7

s > Ø / _#
[alveolar]r > [retroflex]
[geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
(y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
r > ʟ

Stage 8

ʟ > l
h > ħ / _a
h > ç / _[front vowel]
(ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
ɑ > ɒ

Stage 9

l > λ > ʎ̥˔
h > Ø
(ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)

Proposals

Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:

Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns

What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

    This case would probably be called "indirect."

What about the verbs?

Declension

	pɨæʎa girl f.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	pɨæʎa	pɨæʎæ
Genitive	pɨæʎæ	pɨæʎaʎɨ
Dative	pɨæʎæ	pɨæʎi
Accusative	pɨæʎa	pɨæʎa
Ablative	pɨæʎa	pɨæʎy
Vocative	pɨæʎa	pɨæʎæ

	kampɨ field m.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	kampɨ	kampi
Genitive	kampi	kampɨlɨ
Dative	kampɨ	kampi
Accusative	kampɨ	kampɨ
Ablative	kampɨ	kampi
Vocative	kampæ	kampi

	ʎæk, ʎævɛ king m.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ʎæk	ʎævɛ
Genitive	ʎævɛ	ʎævɨ
Dative	ʎævi	ʎævɛɨ
Accusative	ʎævɛ	ʎævɛ
Ablative	ʎævæ	ʎævɛɨ
Vocative	læk	lævɛ

	maro hand f.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	marɨ	mari
Genitive	mari	manɨ
Dative	marɨi	marɛɨ
Accusative	marɨ	mari
Ablative	mari	marɛɨ
Vocative	manɨ	mani

	ʎɛ thing f.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ʎɛ	ʎɛ
Genitive	ʎæi	ʎɛʎɨ
Dative	ʎæi	ʎɛɨ
Accusative	ʎɛn	ʎɛ
Ablative	ʎɛ	ʎɛɨ
Vocative	ʎɛ	ʎɛ

	First Person		Second Person
	ɛvɛ I m. and f.	nɨ we m. and f.	ty thou m. and f.	βɨ ye m. and f.
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ɛvɛ	nɨ	ti	βɨ
Genitive	mæi	nɛsʈɨ	tɨi	βesʈɨ
Dative	mi	nɨçi	tɛçɛ	βɨçi
Accusative	mɛ	nɨ	tɛ	βɨ
Ablative	mɛ	nɨçi	tɛ	βɨçi
Vocative	——	——	ti	βɨ

	ɛ he, they m.		æa she, they f.		ɛd it, they n.
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ɛ	ɛi	æa	ææ	ɛd	æa
Genitive	æʎɨ	æɨʎɨ	æʎɨ	æaʎɨ	æʎɨ	æɨʎɨ
Dative	æi	æi	æi	æi	æi	æi
Accusative	æɨ	æɨ	æa	æa	ɛd	æa
Vocative	-	-	-	-	-	-
Ablative	æɨ	æi	æa	æi	æɨ	æi

	—, ɨi himself, herself itself, oneself, themselves
Nominative	—
Genitive	ɨi
Dative	çɛçɛ
Accusative	çɛ
Vocative	-
Ablative	çɛ

	pæ who? m. and f.	pæd what? n. only
	Singular
Nominative	pæ	pæd
Genitive	kiʎɨ	kiʎɨ
Dative	kɨæ	kɨæ
Accusative	pɛn	pæd
Vocative	-	-
Ablative	pɨ	pɨ

	ɛk, æk, ɛk this, this one						ɛʎɛ, ɛʎa, ɛʎɨd that, that one
	Masculine		Feminine		Neuter		Masculine		Feminine		Neuter
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ek	i	æk	æ	ɛk	æk	ɛʎɛ	ɛʎi	ɛʎa	eʎæ	ɛʎɨd	ɛʎa
Genitive	ɨʎɨ	ɨlɨ	ɨʎɨ	ɒʎɨ	ɨʎɨ	ɨʎɨ	ɛʎiɨ	eʎɨʎɨ	ɛʎiɨ	eʎaʎɨ	ɛʎiɨ	eʎɨʎɨ
Dative	ɨɛk	i	ɨɛk	i	ɨɛk	i	ɛʎi	ɛʎi	ɛʎi	ɛʎi	ɛʎi	ɛʎi
Accusative	ɨnk	ɨ	ɒnk	ɒ	ɛk	æk	eʎɨ	eʎɨ	eʎa	ɒʎa	ɒʎɨd	eʎa
Vocative	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Ablative	ɨk	i	ɒk	i	ɨk	i	eʎɨ	ɛʎi	eʎa	ɛʎi	eʎɨ	ɛʎi

Relative pronouns

	pi, pæ, pɨd who, which, that
	Masculine		Feminine		Neuter
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	pi	pi	pæ	pæ	pɨd	pæ
Genitive	kiʎɨ	pɨʎɨ	kiʎɨ	paʎɨ	kiʎɨ	pɨʎɨ
Dative	kɨæ	piɨ	kɨæ	piɨ	kɨæ	piɨ
Accusative	pɛn	pɨ	pan	pa	pod	pæ
Vocative	-	-	-	-	-	-
Ablative	pɨ	piɨ	pa	piɨ	pɨ	piɨ

Conjugation

	Indicative mood, active voice, present tense
	portāre		terrēre		petere		audīre
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɤrtɯ	pɤrtamɯ	tærræɯ	tærrɛmɯ	pæsɯ	pæsimɯ	auzæɯ	auzimɯ
Second Person	pɤrta	ppɤrtasɛ	tærrɛ	tærrɛsɛ	pæsɛ	pæsœsœ	auzy	auzisɛ
Third Person	pɤrtat	pɤrtant	tærræt	tærrænt	pæsɛt	pæsint	auzɛt	auzæɯnt

@@ Line 119: / Line 119: @@
 Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? [[User:DCliche|DCliche]] 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
-          Probably, it would be called "indirect," at least based on my interpretation of Wikipedia.
+     This case would probably be called "indirect."
 What about the verbs?