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== Pronouns ==
= Pronouns =


==== Personal, reflexive and impersonal pronouns ====
=== Personal, reflexive and impersonal pronouns ===


Many of these pronouns have a short or unstressed and a long or stressed form.  Where this is the case the short or unstressed form is shown to the left and the long or stressed to the right with a slash between them.  It should be noted that some of these stressed or long forms go back to Latin unstressed forms which became stressed once again in certain contexts.  These re-stressed forms with lengthened vowels could then lose stress again, resulting in doublets with a long vowel and a diphthong respectively, and thus three different forms corresponding to three degrees of stress or emphasis.  In the further development of the separate languages some or other of these forms usually fell out of use, the cycle of loss and acquisition of stress going on through the centuries.  The impersonal pronoun '''hom''' is in origin an unstressed form of the noun '''hoam''' 'man' < {{SC|homō}}, illustrating this process at its extreme.
Many of these pronouns have a short or unstressed and a long or stressed form.  Where this is the case the short or unstressed form is shown to the left and the long or stressed to the right with a slash between them.  It should be noted that some of these stressed or long forms go back to Latin unstressed forms which became stressed once again in certain contexts.  These re-stressed forms with lengthened vowels could then lose stress again, resulting in doublets with a long vowel and a diphthong respectively, and thus three different forms corresponding to three degrees of stress or emphasis.  In the further development of the separate languages some or other of these forms usually fell out of use, the cycle of loss and acquisition of stress going on through the centuries.  The impersonal pronoun '''hom''' is in origin an unstressed form of the noun '''hoam''' 'man' < {{SC|homō}}, illustrating this process at its extreme.
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===== Technical note =====
==== Technical note ====
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=== Revision I (PMC)===
{| cellspacing="4" class="shadedtable bordertable"
!colspan=8 class="shadedtable" style="border: 0px !important;"| Personal, reflexive and impersonal pronouns
|-
| colspan=2 rowspan=2|
! colspan="2" | Singular
! colspan="2" | Plural
| colspan=2 rowspan=7 |
|-
! m.
! f.
! m.
! f.
|-
! rowspan="4" | 1st person
! Nom.
| colspan="2" | jō
| rowspan="2" colspan="2" | nus
|-
! Acc.
| colspan="2" | mi/mē/mei
|-
! Gen.
| mīs
| ma
| nōster
| nōstra
|-
! Dat.
| colspan="2" | mī
| colspan="2" | nous
|-
! rowspan="4" | 2d person
! Nom.
| colspan="2" | tū
| rowspan="2" colspan="2" | wus
|-
! Acc.
| colspan="2" | ti/tē/tei
|-
! Gen.
| tus
| ta
| wōster
| wōstra
|-
! Dat.
| colspan="2" | tī
| colspan="2" | wous
! Refl.
! Impers.
|-
! rowspan="4" | 3d person
! Nom.
| el
| ella
| lī/ellī
| lē/lei/ellas
|
| hom
|-
! Acc.
| lu/lō/lou
| la/lā
| los/els
| las/ellas
| si/sē/sei
| hom(m)
|-
! Gen.
| sus
| sa
| colspan="2" | lōr/lour/ellōr
|
| hommis
|-
! Dat.
| lui
| lei
| colspan="2" | līs/ellīs
| sī
| hommī
|}

Revision as of 08:59, 23 July 2008

Pronouns

Personal, reflexive and impersonal pronouns

Many of these pronouns have a short or unstressed and a long or stressed form. Where this is the case the short or unstressed form is shown to the left and the long or stressed to the right with a slash between them. It should be noted that some of these stressed or long forms go back to Latin unstressed forms which became stressed once again in certain contexts. These re-stressed forms with lengthened vowels could then lose stress again, resulting in doublets with a long vowel and a diphthong respectively, and thus three different forms corresponding to three degrees of stress or emphasis. In the further development of the separate languages some or other of these forms usually fell out of use, the cycle of loss and acquisition of stress going on through the centuries. The impersonal pronoun hom is in origin an unstressed form of the noun hoam 'man' < homō, illustrating this process at its extreme.

Personal, reflexive and impersonal pronouns
Singular Plural
m. f. m. f.
1st person Nom. jō nus
Acc. mi/mē/mei
Gen. mīs ma nōster nōstra
Dat. mī nous
2d person Nom. tū wus
Acc. ti/tē/tei
Gen. tus ta wōster wōstra
Dat. tī wous Refl. Impers.
3d person Nom. el ella lī/ellī lē/lei/ellas hom
Acc. lu/lō/lou la/lā los/els las/ellas si/sē/sei hom(m)
Gen. sus sa lōr/lour/ellōr hommis
Dat. lui lei līs/ellīs sī hommī

Technical note

Here it is, actually first drawn on paper, then created in 
a WYSIWYG HTML editor and then converted to wiki! 

I had to combine two table styles -- which I preferred 
to creating a brand new one -- to make it reasonably 
readable; the box grid and different shadings did wonders 
compared to applying only either one of the two styles!

Revision I (PMC)

Personal, reflexive and impersonal pronouns
Singular Plural
m. f. m. f.
1st person Nom. jō nus
Acc. mi/mē/mei
Gen. mīs ma nōster nōstra
Dat. mī nous
2d person Nom. tū wus
Acc. ti/tē/tei
Gen. tus ta wōster wōstra
Dat. tī wous Refl. Impers.
3d person Nom. el ella lī/ellī lē/lei/ellas hom
Acc. lu/lō/lou la/lā los/els las/ellas si/sē/sei hom(m)
Gen. sus sa lōr/lour/ellōr hommis
Dat. lui lei līs/ellīs sī hommī
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