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*The uncertainty above about the tonic vowel is because it is not certain that Pabappa analogized /u/ > /o/ in closed syllables the way Poswa did ... it is actually quite likely that it was ''not'' analogized, because Pabappa would have very little precedent for this shift whereas Poswa had a large number of verbs where /o/ appeared in both closed and open syllable forms of the verb.
*The uncertainty above about the tonic vowel is because it is not certain that Pabappa analogized /u/ > /o/ in closed syllables the way Poswa did ... it is actually quite likely that it was ''not'' analogized, because Pabappa would have very little precedent for this shift whereas Poswa had a large number of verbs where /o/ appeared in both closed and open syllable forms of the verb.
*'''pu''' is another possibility.  The path is
*'''pu''' is another possibility.  The path is
::*Play ''šuvi a bu'' > pšulabu > pšužu > pšu > šu > hu > fu > '''pu'''.  This would still happen only in the bare form, and so for it to be a suffix it would need to have been reordered at some stage, preferably towards the end when /f/ would have been seen as just an ordinary phoneme.
::*Play ''šuvi a bu'' > pšulabu > pšužu > pšu > šu > hu > fu > '''wu''' (free) and '''pu''' (suffix).  This would still happen only in the bare form, and so for it to be a suffix it would need to have been reordered at some stage, preferably towards the end when /f/ would have been seen as just an ordinary phoneme.


==Other ideas==
==Other ideas==

Revision as of 12:22, 27 April 2020

sound changes

Scratchpad ordered by date

Apr 27, 2020
  • Pabappa probably needs person markers on verbs because I cannot find a language that has nominal possession markers without also having verbal person markers. The verbal person markers will be suffixed after the tense marker and may or may not be cognate to the nominal possession markers. The third person verbal marker is probably Ø. The first and second person, if cognate to the nominal possession markers, may be either identical to them, or derived from the same stems but without the original final /-s/. But note that the final /-s/ may not have made a difference in the surface forms anyway.
  • Deriving pronouns could be a first step to getting both verbal person markers and justifying the nominal possession markers.
  • If the first person pronoun comes from Play šuvi a bu "(I) feel that (I) speak", i.e. "one speaking", it could evolve into just o or u in a standalone form but would be preceded by -ps- word-internally. There is no easy way to simplify this cluster.
  • If instead it comes from Play šuvi a ba (effectively the same meaning as above), it would evolve into one of oa ~ ua ~ wa in bare form and to psoa ~ psua word-finally.
  • The uncertainty above about the tonic vowel is because it is not certain that Pabappa analogized /u/ > /o/ in closed syllables the way Poswa did ... it is actually quite likely that it was not analogized, because Pabappa would have very little precedent for this shift whereas Poswa had a large number of verbs where /o/ appeared in both closed and open syllable forms of the verb.
  • pu is another possibility. The path is
  • Play šuvi a bu > pšulabu > pšužu > pšu > šu > hu > fu > wu (free) and pu (suffix). This would still happen only in the bare form, and so for it to be a suffix it would need to have been reordered at some stage, preferably towards the end when /f/ would have been seen as just an ordinary phoneme.

Other ideas

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