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Meanwhile, I have grown sceptical of connections between Y-DNA haplogroups and language families, as mismatches are far too common (such as the Basques and R1b). Hence, I decided last week that the "Tommian" language family probably never existed, and I considered breaking it up such that the name "Tommian" would refer only to one of the language groups encompassed in the old concept. Since then, the guy whom the thing was named for has turned out to be a fraud, and hence I deleted the "Tommian" pages. [[Razaric]] is now a stand-alone family without known external relatives. Whether [[Kreluri]] will stand or fall, is entirely open. Also, it has turned out that Proto-Kartvelian probably was a typical nominative-accusative language; ergativity in Kartvelian languages seems to be a rather late innovation, as the ergative markers in the languages are not cognate (only the closely related pair Mingrelian-Laz shares the same ergative suffix), and verb morphology is thoroughly nom-acc. So there goes the notion of a great Para-Kartvelian language family in Neolithic Europe. It no longer makes sense to me. ..[[User:WeepingElf|WeepingElf]] ([[User talk:WeepingElf|talk]]) 10:22, 7 May 2018 (PDT) | Meanwhile, I have grown sceptical of connections between Y-DNA haplogroups and language families, as mismatches are far too common (such as the Basques and R1b). Hence, I decided last week that the "Tommian" language family probably never existed, and I considered breaking it up such that the name "Tommian" would refer only to one of the language groups encompassed in the old concept. Since then, the guy whom the thing was named for has turned out to be a fraud, and hence I deleted the "Tommian" pages. [[Razaric]] is now a stand-alone family without known external relatives. Whether [[Kreluri]] will stand or fall, is entirely open. Also, it has turned out that Proto-Kartvelian probably was a typical nominative-accusative language; ergativity in Kartvelian languages seems to be a rather late innovation, as the ergative markers in the languages are not cognate (only the closely related pair Mingrelian-Laz shares the same ergative suffix), and verb morphology is thoroughly nom-acc. So there goes the notion of a great Para-Kartvelian language family in Neolithic Europe. It no longer makes sense to me. ..[[User:WeepingElf|WeepingElf]] ([[User talk:WeepingElf|talk]]) 10:22, 7 May 2018 (PDT) | ||
== The rebirth of Tommian as Mirian == | |||
I am not sure whether this family will indeed be related to Kartvelian, but I have restored Tommian as [[Mirian]]. --[[User:WeepingElf|WeepingElf]] ([[User talk:WeepingElf|talk]]) 12:24, 8 May 2018 (PDT) | |||
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The end of Tommian
Meanwhile, I have grown sceptical of connections between Y-DNA haplogroups and language families, as mismatches are far too common (such as the Basques and R1b). Hence, I decided last week that the "Tommian" language family probably never existed, and I considered breaking it up such that the name "Tommian" would refer only to one of the language groups encompassed in the old concept. Since then, the guy whom the thing was named for has turned out to be a fraud, and hence I deleted the "Tommian" pages. Razaric is now a stand-alone family without known external relatives. Whether Kreluri will stand or fall, is entirely open. Also, it has turned out that Proto-Kartvelian probably was a typical nominative-accusative language; ergativity in Kartvelian languages seems to be a rather late innovation, as the ergative markers in the languages are not cognate (only the closely related pair Mingrelian-Laz shares the same ergative suffix), and verb morphology is thoroughly nom-acc. So there goes the notion of a great Para-Kartvelian language family in Neolithic Europe. It no longer makes sense to me. ..WeepingElf (talk) 10:22, 7 May 2018 (PDT)
The rebirth of Tommian as Mirian
I am not sure whether this family will indeed be related to Kartvelian, but I have restored Tommian as Mirian. --WeepingElf (talk) 12:24, 8 May 2018 (PDT)
