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This is the official 2202 CE edition of Siye grammar. I know some sections are brief, but the thing must be declared official at some point.
In the causative construction with an imperfective verb, Siye puts the subject of the internal clause in the instrumental case if inanimate and in the genitive (or possessive? not sure which would be more natural) case plus a postpositional noun in the instrumental case if animate:
 
Le ine eki liyo elelipunama.
le-0 i-ne e-ki liyo-0 e-le-li-pu-sum-na-ma
1-NOM  3-GEN 4-INS food-ABS 4-1-eat.IMPFV-SG-CAUS-DIR.UP-IMPFV.POS.REALIS
I will feed him (=I will cause him to eat the food)
 
Could this evolve into an animate instrumental -neki (-meki)? The dative-benefactive -tu and dative-allative -su already exhibit that split between animate and inanimate. The various locative postpositions - emsum, emkim, emtu - could coalesce with the preceding -ne to form elative -nemsum, inessive -nemkim, and illative -nemtu, contrasting with ablative -sum, locative -kem, and allative -su. I've already been thinking of adding an infix -(e)mtu- 'into' to change the intransitive sentence 'um siline emtu ituputuna' 'The man went into the house' into 'um sili itupumtuna' but the possibility of expanding the case system seems more organic, especially since I'm not sure how far I can expand the directional slot. In this were the case, -ne, the genitive suffix, (or maybe the possessive suffix -me) has become -ne- (-me-?), the base for forming oblique stems.
 
In the causative construction with an perfective verb:
 
Le liyosu ya liyo ileyopunana.
le-0 liyo-su ya i-le-yo-pu-sum-na-na
1-NOM  food-ALL 3.ACC 3-1-eat.PFV-SG-CAUS-DIR.UP-PFV.POS.REALIS
I fed him (=I caused him to eat the food)

Revision as of 23:29, 5 March 2014

MAR. 5, 2014 This is the official 2202 CE edition of Siye grammar. I know some sections are brief, but the thing must be declared official at some point.