Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words

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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Proposed grammatical particles

present tense

2011-4-19

-su — 3/1 (BF,FH,ES,/JH,)

• (Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
• (Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
  • TODO move this discussion to Grammar page and add a vote rubric for it
• See the Sentences page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.

for

• for, with the intent of, to <verb>
• This can be used as a normal preposition (e.g. tau gelan, for water) or like bam to start a subordinate clause (e.g. To bake <food>, you need <ingredients> = <need> ku y pan <ingredients> tau <bake> va <food>)

2011-4-19

tau — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)

Proposed content words

balloon, dirigible

2011-4-19

kunoypavi — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

to fly

2011-4-19

pavi — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)

to want

2011-4-19

sidu — 0/4 (0/BF,JH,FH,RJ,)

• I suggest using a desiderative mood affix like bornfor's proposed "-im" with the main verb, rather than a dedicated "want" verb. To say you want a thing rather than want to perform an action, put the "-im" suffix on an "acquire" or "possess" or "eat" or "drink" etc. verb. —JH
  • This suffix is already voted in, so I second this —FH

public, common, non-private, objective

2011-4-19

pimum — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

private, subjective, idiosyncratic

2011-4-19

teinen — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

public transportation vehicle

• bus, train, subway, …

2011-4-19

kunoy pimum — 3/1 (FH,JH,BF,/RJ,)

2011-4-19

kunoy nhu — 3/1 (RJ,FH,BF,/JH,)

public transportation station

• train station, bus station, …

2011-4-19

kunoypimum — 0/4 (0/FH,JH,RJ,BF,)

2011-4-19

kyba kunoypimumbi — 3/1 (JH,FH,BF,/RJ,)

to give birth

• note that to be born can easily be formed with something like Ete va <name>. See also Naeso/Sentences.

2011-4-19

ete — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)

plant

• the noun, not the verb

2011-4-19

thana — 2/0 (BF,FH,/0)

leaf

2011-4-19

anho — 2/0 (BF,FH,/0)

Earth

2011-4-19

naesa — 2/0 (BF,FH,/0)

• I assume you mean the material, since we already have a word for the planet. —Fenhl 04:17, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
• Yes, of course. -BF

goodbye

2011-4-19

jani — 2/1 (FH,BF,/RJ,)

• I am proposing this because imo there is too much of a gap between kal and luena. —Fenhl 05:34, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
• We have Luena already. Propose a different connotation, something different and I reconsider.
• The problem I see with not having this word is that if you do not see someone for 1 to 3 days, it is too long a timespan for saying kal, but too short for luena. You do not say farewell or sayonara to someone you'll be seeing again tomorrow. —FH
  • As for a different connotation, how about something like "see you tomorrow"?

to consume

• eat, drink, etc (not read, buy, etc)

2011-4-20

ionh — 3/0 (FH,BF,RJ,/0)

family

2011-4-23

jane — 3/0 (BF,RJ,FH,/0)

child

2011-4-23

kemsu — 3/0 (BF,RJ,FH,/0)

• This could mean 'offspring' as well. I don't envision it as being restricted to one species (ie, homo sapiens).-Bornfor 17:04 23 Apr 2011 (EST)

Meta-Naeso

(words about working on Naeso)

to start

2011-4-23

kinha — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to vote

2011-4-23

sunhiti — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to support a position, to agree with, to vote for

2011-4-23

dzala — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to disagree with, to vote against

2011-4-23

fambu — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to propose

2011-4-23

eljy — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

to attract someone's attention

2011-4-23

pinh — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

mythos

2011-4-23

lilaifu — 3/0 (RJ,FH,BF,/0)

• Real Life, get it. ~RJ

logic

position

2011-4-19

prefix — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)

2011-4-19

infix — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)

2011-4-19

postfix — 1/3 (RJ,/FH,JH,BF,)

E.g., for each of those possible positions we would express "red and blue" as:

• prefix: bvi dol gel
• infix: dol bvi gel
• suffix: dol gel bvi

• Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order. Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...). I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. --Jim Henry 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
• It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
• Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. --Jim Henry 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
• I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —FH

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety. Please do not vote below!

• bendiza
• kaminto
• kaminhto
• pulthy

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

temporal preposition

2011-4-19

fyu — 1/4 (JH,/FH,ES,RJ,BF,)

2011-4-19

fui — 4/1 (ES,FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)

• This can be used for stuff like four weeks ago or next month. How exactly these will be translated is not yet defined. —FH

airplane, dirigible

2011-4-19

kunoytemya — 4/0 (JH,RJ,FH,BF,/0)