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==base== | ==base== | ||
Naeso counts in base ten, but also has special terms for expressing hexadecimal numbers. | |||
==How to form number words== | ==How to form number words== | ||
*example: 813 | *example: 813 | ||
{{V|eightonethree|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|eightonethree|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
* I will only propose number words with one syllable, making the above a lot easier to understand. —[[User:Fenhl| | * I will only propose number words with one syllable, making the above a lot easier to understand. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
** I disagree since short words are easier to misunderstand. ~RJ | ** I disagree since short words are easier to misunderstand. ~RJ | ||
**Hopefully my proposal avoids this problem. I generated a set of phonologically-redundant words using [http://jimhenry.conlang.org/conlang/redundancy.htm this algorithm], tweaking the input file so its output overlapped as much as possible with Fenhl and MalfermitaKodo's proposals. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 15:52, 26 October 2010 (PDT) | **Hopefully my proposal avoids this problem. I generated a set of phonologically-redundant words using [http://jimhenry.conlang.org/conlang/redundancy.htm this algorithm], tweaking the input file so its output overlapped as much as possible with Fenhl and MalfermitaKodo's proposals. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 15:52, 26 October 2010 (PDT) | ||
**It would still cause issues with large and exact numbers. Namely when there are more numbers than the average person can hold in short-term memory. ~RJ | **It would still cause issues with large and exact numbers. Namely when there are more numbers than the average person can hold in short-term memory. ~RJ | ||
{{V|eighthundred-oneten-three|RJ|y|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | {{V|eighthundred-oneten-three|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | ||
==How to mark hex numbers== | ==How to mark hex numbers== | ||
*I certainly do not want Naeso speakers to have to guess on whether a number is dec or hex. How do we avoid this? —[[User:Fenhl| | *I certainly do not want Naeso speakers to have to guess on whether a number is dec or hex. How do we avoid this? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
==number words== | ==number words== | ||
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===0=== | ===0=== | ||
{{V|se|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|se|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===1=== | ===1=== | ||
{{V|a|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | {{V|a|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | ||
* Redundancy is a feature, not a bug. ~RJ | * Redundancy is a feature, not a bug. ~RJ | ||
{{V|tsai|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | {{V|tsai|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|tho|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|tho|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===2=== | ===2=== | ||
{{V|dy|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|dy|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===3=== | ===3=== | ||
{{V|fe|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | {{V|fe|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | ||
* Has anyone considered that this might be used to speak phone numbers over a staticyVoIP connection‽ ~RJ | * Has anyone considered that this might be used to speak phone numbers over a staticyVoIP connection‽ ~RJ | ||
{{V|efe|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | {{V|efe|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|pu|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|pu|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===4=== | ===4=== | ||
{{V|gi|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|gi|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===5=== | ===5=== | ||
{{V|ba|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|ba|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===6=== | ===6=== | ||
{{V|vo|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|n|BF|y}} | {{V|vo|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|n|BF|y}} | ||
{{V|vae|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|vae|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
===7=== | ===7=== | ||
{{V|zu|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|n|BF|y}} | {{V|zu|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|n|BF|y}} | ||
{{V|zui|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|zui|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
===8=== | ===8=== | ||
{{V|to|FH|y|RJ|n|BF|y|JH|n}} | {{V|to|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|n|BF|y|JH|n}} | ||
* Too similar to 6 ~RJ | * Too similar to 6 ~RJ | ||
{{V|lui|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|n|JH|n}} | {{V|lui|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|n|JH|n}} | ||
{{V|toa|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|toa|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
===9=== | ===9=== | ||
{{V|na|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | {{V|na|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}} | ||
* Too similar to ba —RJ | * Too similar to ba —RJ | ||
{{V|dzia|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | {{V|dzia|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|fel|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|fel|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
===ten=== | ===ten=== | ||
{{V|tthi|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | {{V|tthi|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|zym|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|zym|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===eleven=== | ===eleven=== | ||
{{V|thoanh|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|thoanh|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|zym a|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym a|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
*I think this is in regard to hex numbers, so ''zym a'' would be inappropriate here. —[[User:Fenhl| | *I think this is in regard to hex numbers, so ''zym a'' would be inappropriate here. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
===twelve=== | ===twelve=== | ||
{{V|munh|JH|y|FH|y}} | {{V|munh|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y}} | ||
{{V|zym dy|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym dy|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl| | *see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
===thirteen=== | ===thirteen=== | ||
{{V|munh|JH|y|FH|n|BF|n}} | {{V|munh|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|n|BF|n}} | ||
* Same as twelve —[[User:Fenhl| | * Same as twelve —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
{{V|zym pu|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym pu|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl| | *see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
{{V|syul|FH|y|BF|n|JH|y}} | {{V|syul|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|BF|n|JH|y}} | ||
===fourteen=== | ===fourteen=== | ||
{{V|doal|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|doal|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|zym gi|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym gi|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl| | *see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
===fifteen=== | ===fifteen=== | ||
{{V|bem|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | {{V|bem|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|zym ba|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym ba|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl| | *see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
===sixteen=== | ===sixteen=== | ||
{{V|dzim|JH|y|FH|n|BF|n}} | {{V|dzim|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|n|BF|n}} | ||
{{V|zym vo|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym vo|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl| | *see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|FH]] | ||
===hundred=== | ===hundred=== | ||
{{V|on|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|on|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
===thousand=== | ===thousand=== | ||
{{V|jol|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}} | {{V|jol|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}} | ||
{{V|onon / on on|BF|y|JH|n|FH|n}} | {{V|onon / on on|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|n|FH|n}} | ||
*A hundred hundreds is ten thousand, not one thousand. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:49, 17 April 2011 (PDT) | *A hundred hundreds is ten thousand, not one thousand. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:49, 17 April 2011 (PDT) | ||
===ten thousand=== | ===ten thousand=== | ||
{{V|djulnen|FH|n|JH|n}} | {{V|djulnen|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|n}} | ||
{{V|zym onon|BF|y|JH|n|FH|n}} | {{V|zym onon|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|JH|n|FH|n}} | ||
{{V|zym jol|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|zym jol|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
===hundred thousand=== | ===hundred thousand=== | ||
{{V|founh|FH|n|BF|y|JH|n}} | {{V|founh|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|BF|y|JH|n}} | ||
===million=== | ===million=== | ||
{{V|tinem|FH|n|BF|y|JH|n}} | {{V|tinem|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|BF|y|JH|n}} | ||
{{V|jol jol|JH|y|FH|n}} | {{V|jol jol|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|n}} | ||
{{Naeso}} | {{Naeso}} | ||
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base
Naeso counts in base ten, but also has special terms for expressing hexadecimal numbers.
How to form number words
- example: 813
2011-4-19
eightonethree — 3/1 (FH,JH,BF,/RJ,)- I will only propose number words with one syllable, making the above a lot easier to understand. —FH
- I disagree since short words are easier to misunderstand. ~RJ
- Hopefully my proposal avoids this problem. I generated a set of phonologically-redundant words using this algorithm, tweaking the input file so its output overlapped as much as possible with Fenhl and MalfermitaKodo's proposals. --Jim Henry 15:52, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
- It would still cause issues with large and exact numbers. Namely when there are more numbers than the average person can hold in short-term memory. ~RJ
2011-4-19
eighthundred-oneten-three — 2/2 (RJ,BF,/FH,JH,)How to mark hex numbers
- I certainly do not want Naeso speakers to have to guess on whether a number is dec or hex. How do we avoid this? —FH
number words
0
2011-4-19
se — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)1
2011-4-19
a — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)- Redundancy is a feature, not a bug. ~RJ
2011-4-19
tsai — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/JH,BF,)2011-4-19
tho — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)2
2011-4-19
dy — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)3
2011-4-19
fe — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)- Has anyone considered that this might be used to speak phone numbers over a staticyVoIP connection‽ ~RJ
2011-4-19
efe — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/JH,BF,)2011-4-19
pu — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)4
2011-4-19
gi — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)5
2011-4-19
ba — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)6
2011-4-19
vo — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)2011-4-19
vae — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)7
2011-4-19
zu — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)2011-4-19
zui — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)8
2011-4-19
to — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)- Too similar to 6 ~RJ
2011-4-19
lui — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/BF,JH,)2011-4-19
toa — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)9
2011-4-19
na — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)- Too similar to ba —RJ
2011-4-19
dzia — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/JH,BF,)2011-4-19
fel — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)ten
2011-4-19
tthi — 1/2 (FH,/JH,BF,)2011-4-19
zym — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)eleven
2011-4-19
thoanh — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)2011-4-19
zym a — 2/1 (BF,JH,/FH,)- I think this is in regard to hex numbers, so zym a would be inappropriate here. —FH
twelve
2011-4-19
munh — 2/0 (JH,FH,/0)2011-4-19
zym dy — 2/1 (BF,JH,/FH,)thirteen
2011-4-19
munh — 1/2 (JH,/FH,BF,)- Same as twelve —FH
2011-4-19
zym pu — 2/1 (BF,JH,/FH,)2011-4-19
syul — 2/1 (FH,JH,/BF,)fourteen
2011-4-19
doal — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)2011-4-19
zym gi — 2/1 (BF,JH,/FH,)fifteen
2011-4-19
bem — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)2011-4-19
zym ba — 2/1 (BF,JH,/FH,)sixteen
2011-4-19
dzim — 1/2 (JH,/FH,BF,)2011-4-19
zym vo — 2/1 (BF,JH,/FH,)hundred
2011-4-19
on — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)thousand
2011-4-19
jol — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)2011-4-19
onon / on on — 1/2 (BF,/JH,FH,)- A hundred hundreds is ten thousand, not one thousand. --Jim Henry 10:49, 17 April 2011 (PDT)
ten thousand
2011-4-19
djulnen — 0/2 (0/FH,JH,)2011-4-19
zym onon — 1/2 (BF,/JH,FH,)2011-4-19
zym jol — 1/1 (JH,/FH,)hundred thousand
2011-4-19
founh — 1/2 (BF,/FH,JH,)million
2011-4-19
tinem — 1/2 (BF,/FH,JH,)2011-4-19
jol jol — 1/1 (JH,/FH,)| Naeso | |
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