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The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.

More Specific Rules

Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.

Participants

Current Participants

It is Calculator Ftvb's turn.

Possible Participants

These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.

Karen Badham
Benct Philip Jonsson

Former Participants

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Sound Changes

Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.

Stage 1

a: > a
e > ɛ
e: > e
i > e
i: > i
o > ɔ
o: > o
u > o
u: > u
y > i
y: > i
ai > ɛ
oi > e
n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
h > Ø
w > β
b > β / V_(V,r)
m > Ø / _#
m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
(e,i) > j / _V
u > w / _V
VV > V
V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV

Stage 2

[fricative] > Ø / V_V
n > r / V_V
g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)

Stage 3

(k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
s > h / #_V
u > ʉ
a > æ / _[+anterior]
e > ɞ

Stage 4

i > ʉ
ɛ > æ
[single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
l > λ

Stage 5

j > λ
(kw, gw) > (p, b)
o > u
(ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
u > ɯ

Stage 6

a > ɑ / #_
ɣ > v
ɔ > ɤ
(ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
λ > ʎ̥˔

Stage 7

s > Ø / _#
[alveolar]r > [retroflex]
[geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
(y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
r > ʟ

Stage 8

ʟ > l
h > ħ / _a
h > ç / _[front vowel]
(ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
ɑ > ɒ

Stage 9

l > λ > ʎ̥˔
h > Ø
(ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)
VV > VɾV
u > ʏ

Stage 10

ɨ > ə
ɜ > ʌ
ɔ > o
ʎ̥˔ > çl > _V
ø > ɵ

Stage 11

æ > ja
ə > ∅ /_#
ç > j / V_[voiced consonant, V}
ʎ̥˔ > lç > V_
ʌ > ɔ

Stage 12

back vowel > front vowel / #_
(çl, lç) > ɬ
tj, dj > ʧ, ʤ
ɾj > l
ja > ɛ

Stage 13

ʧ ʤ > ʃ ʒ
ʃ > x / #_
j, jj > ʒ
f > θ / _[-round]
l > ɬ

Proposals

Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:

Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns

What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The dato-genitive case would probably be called "indirect."

What about the verbs?

I'm working on those right now, actually. Once I'm done I'll put up a list of proposals. Kicgan Vekei 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite done yet, but I suggest that ħ spread among all imperfect endings and ç spread among all perfect endings by analogy. What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense. DCliche 19:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The phonology should solidify sometime within the next few rounds, so that we can get a good idea of what the grammar is becoming.

Declension

	pəɛʒla girl f.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	pəɛʒla	pəɛʒlʒa
Indirect	pəɛʒlʒa	pəɛʒlaɬ

	kamp field m.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	kamp	kampi
Indirect	kampi	kampəʒl

	ɬɛk, ɬɛvɛ king m.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ɬɛk	ɬɛvɛ
Indirect	ɬɛvɛ	ɬɛv

	maʒl hand f.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	maʒl	maʒli
Indirect	maʒli	man

	ɬɛ thing f.
	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ɬɛ	ɬɛ
Indirect	ɬʒai	ɬɛʒl

	First Person		Second Person
	ɛvɛ I m. and f.	nə we m. and f.	ty thou m. and f.	βə ye m. and f.
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ɛvɛ	nə	ti	βə
Genitive	mʒai	nɛsʈ	təi	βesʈ
Dative	mi	nəʒi	tɛʒɛ	βəʒi
Accusative	mɛ	nə	tɛ	βə

	—, əi himself, herself itself, oneself, themselves
Nominative	—
Genitive	əi
Dative	çɛʒɛ
Accusative	çɛ

	pja who? m. and f.	pɛd what? n. only
	Singular
Nominative	pa	pɛd
Genitive	xijl	xijl
Dative	kəʒa	kəʒa
Accusative	pɛn	pɛd

	ɛk, ɛk, ɛk this, this one						ɛjlɛ, ɛjla, ɛjləd that, that one
	Masculine		Feminine		Neuter		Masculine		Feminine		Neuter
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	ɛk	i	ɛk	ɛ	ɛk	ɛk	ɛʒlɛ	ɛʒli	ɛʒla	eʒlɛ	ɛʒləd	ɛʒla
Genitive	əʒl	əʒl	əʒl	ɒjl	əʒl	əʒl	ɛʒli	ɛʒləʒl	ɛjli	eʒlaʒl	ɛʒli	ɛʒləʒl
Dative	əɛk	i	əɛk	i	əɛk	i	ɛʒli	ɛʒli	ɛʒli	ɛʒli	ɛʒli	ɛʒli
Accusative	ənk	ə	ɒnk	ɒ	ɛk	ɛk	ɛʒl	ɛʒl	ɛʒla	ɒʒla	ɒʒləd	ɛʒla

Relative pronouns

	pi, pɛɛ, pəd who, which, that
	Masculine		Feminine		Neuter
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
Nominative	pi	pi	pɛ	pɛ	pəd	pɛ
Genitive	ʃiʒl	pəʒl	ʃiʒl	paʒl	ʃiʒl	pəʒl
Dative	kəɛ	pi	kəɛ	pi	kəɛ	pi
Accusative	pɛn	pə	pan	pa	pod	pɛ

Conjugation

	Indicative mood, active voice, present tense
	pɔɬtaʒlɛ		xaʒlɛʒlɛ		pɛsɛʒlɛ		auziʒlɛ
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɔɬt	pɔɬtam	xaʒlɛɾ	xaʒlɛm	pɛs	pɛsim	auzɛɾ	auzim
Second Person	pɔɬta	pɔɬtasɛ	xaʒlɛ	xaʒlɛsɛ	pɛsɛ	pɛsɛsɛ	auzi	auzisɛ
Third Person	pɔɬtat	pɔɬtant	xaʒlɛt	xaʒlɛnt	pɛsɛt	pɛsint	auzɛt	auzɛənt

	Indicative mood, active voice, imperfect tense
	pɔɬtaʒlɛ		xaçlɛʒlɛ		pɛsɛʒlɛ		auziʒlɛ
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɔɬtaħa	pɔɬtaβam	xaʒlɛħa	xajʒɛβam	pɛsɛħa	pɛsɛβam	auzɛɛħa	auzɛɛβam
Second Person	pɔɬtaħa	pɔɬtaβasɛ	xaʒlɛħa	xaʒlɛβasɛ	pɛsɛħa	pɛsɛβasɛ	auzɛɛħa	auzɛɛβasɛ
Third Person	pɔɬtaħat	pɔɬtaħant	xaʒlɛħat	xaʒlɛħant	pɛsɛħat	pɛsɛħant	auzɛɛħat	auzɛɛβant

	Indicative mood, active voice, perfect tense
	pɔɬtaβɛsɛ		xaʒləɾɛsɛ		pɛtɛβɛsɛ		auzɛβɛsɛ
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɔɬtaʒi	pɔɬtaʒɛm	xaʒləɾi	xaʒləɾim	pɛsiʒi	pɛsiʒimɛ	auziʒi	auziʒɛm
Second Person	pɔɬtaβɛsti	pɔɬtaβɛstɛ	xaʒləɾɛsti	xaʒləɾɛstɛ	pɛsiβɛsti	pɛsiβɛstɛ	auziβɛsti	auziβɛstɛ
Third Person	pɔɬtaut	pɔɬtaβɛʒlənt	xaʒləɾɛt	xaʒləɾɛjlənt	pɛsiʒɛt	pɛsiβɛʒlənt	auziʒɛt	auziβɛɬənt

	Indicative mood, active voice, pluperfect tense
	pɔɬtaβɛsɛ		xajləɾɛsɛ		pɛsɛβɛsɛ		auzɛβɛsɛ
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɔɬtaʒɛʒla	pɔɬtaʒɛʒlam	xaʒləɾɛʒla	xaʒləɾɛʒlam	pɛsiʒɛʒla	pɛsiʒɛʒlam	auziʒɛʒla	auziʒɛʒlam
Second Person	pɔɬtaʒɛʒla	pɔɬtaʒɛʒlasɛ	xaʒləɾɛʒla	xaʒləɾɛʒlasɛ	pɛsiʒɛʒla	pɛsiʒɛʒlasɛ	auziʒɛʒla	auziʒɛʒlasɛ
Third Person	pɔɬtaʒɛʒlat	pɔɬtaʒɛʒlant	xaʒləɾɛʒlat	xaʒləɾɛʒlant	pɛsiʒɛʒlat	pɛsiʒɛʒlant	auziʒɛʒlat	auziʒɛʒlant

	Indicative mood, active voice, future tense
	pɔɬtaʒlɛ		xajlɛʒlɛ		pɛsɛʒlɛ		auziʒlɛ
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɔɬtaɾ	pɔɬtaɾɛm	xaʒlɛɾ	xaʒlɛɾɛm	pɛsa	pɛsɛm	auzɛɾa	auzɛɾɛm
Second Person	pɔɬtaɾɛ	pɔɬtaɾɛsɛ	xaʒlɛɾɛ	xaʒlɛɾɛsɛ	pɛsɛ	pɛsɛsɛ	auzɛɾɛ	auzɛɾɛsɛ
Third Person	pɔɬtaɾɛt	pɔɬtaɾənt	xaʒlɛɾɛt	xaʒlɛɾənt	pɛsʒat	pɛsʒant	auzɛɾɛt	auzɛɾɛnt

	Indicative mood, active voice, future perfect tense
	pɔɬtaʒlɛ		xaʒlɛʒlɛ		pɛsɛʒlɛ		auziʒlɛ
	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural	Singular	Plural
First Person	pɔɬtaʒɛʒl	pɔɬtaβɛʒlɛm	xaʒləɾɛjl	xaʒləɾɛʒlɛm	pɛsɛʒɛʒl	pɛʒsɛʒɛʒlɛm	auziʒɛʒlə	auziʒɛʒlɛm
Second Person	pɔɬtaʒɛʒlɛ	pɔɬtaβɛʒlɛsɛ	xaʒləɾɛjlɛ	xaʒləɾɛʒlɛsɛ	pɛsɛʒɛʒlɛ	pɛsɛʒɛʒlɛsɛ	auziʒɛʒlɛ	auziʒɛʒlɛsɛ
Third Person	pɔɬtaʒɛʎɛt	pɔɬtaβɛʒlɛnt	xaʒləɾɛjlɛt	xaʒləɾɛʒlɛnt	pɛsɛʒɛʒlɛt	pɛsɛʒɛʒlɛsɛ	auziʒɛʒlɛt	auziʒɛʒlɛnt

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 * j, jj > ʒ
 * f > θ / _[-round]
+* l > ɬ
 ==Proposals==
 Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. [[User:DCliche|DCliche]] 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)