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Revision as of 14:45, 17 March 2010
The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.
More Specific Rules
Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.
Participants
Current Participants
- Kenner Gordon
- Shair Ahmed
- Kelvin Jackson
- Peter Bleackley
- Calculator Ftvb
It is Kelvin Jackson's turn.
Possible Participants
These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.
- Karen Badham
- Benct Philip Jonsson
Former Participants
—
Sound Changes
Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.
Stage 1
- a: > a
- e > ɛ
- e: > e
- i > e
- i: > i
- o > ɔ
- o: > o
- u > o
- u: > u
- y > i
- y: > i
- ai > ɛ
- oi > e
- n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
- h > Ø
- w > β
- b > β / V_(V,r)
- m > Ø / _#
- m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
- (e,i) > j / _V
- u > w / _V
- VV > V
- V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
- V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV
Stage 2
- [fricative] > Ø / V_V
- n > r / V_V
- g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
- s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)
Stage 3
- (k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
- s > h / #_V
- u > ʉ
- a > æ / _[+anterior]
- e > ɞ
Stage 4
- i > ʉ
- ɛ > æ
- [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
- β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
- l > λ
Stage 5
- j > λ
- (kw, gw) > (p, b)
- o > u
- (ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
- u > ɯ
Stage 6
- a > ɑ / #_
- ɣ > v
- ɔ > ɤ
- (ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
- λ > ʎ̥˔
Stage 7
- s > Ø / _#
- [alveolar]r > [retroflex]
- [geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
- (y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
- r > ʟ
Stage 8
- ʟ > l
- h > ħ / _a
- h > ç / _[front vowel]
- (ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
- ɑ > ɒ
Stage 9
- l > λ > ʎ̥˔
- h > Ø
- (ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)
- VV > VɾV
- u > ʏ
Stage 10
- ɨ > ə
- ɜ > ʌ
- ɔ > o
- ʎ̥˔ > çl > _V
- ø > ɵ
Stage 11
- æ > ja
- ə > ∅ /_#
- ç > j / V_[voiced consonant, V}
Proposals
Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:
- Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
- Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
- Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
- Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
- Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns
What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The dato-genitive case would probably be called "indirect."
What about the verbs?
I'm working on those right now, actually. Once I'm done I'll put up a list of proposals. Kicgan Vekei 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite done yet, but I suggest that ħ spread among all imperfect endings and ç spread among all perfect endings by analogy. What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Declension
pəjaçla girl f. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | pəjaçla | pəjaçlja |
Indirect | pəjaçlja | pəjaçlaʎ |
kamp field m. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | kamp | kampi |
Indirect | kampi | kampəçl |
çljak, çljavɛ king m. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | çljak | çljavɛ |
Indirect | çljavɛ | çljav |
maçl hand f. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | maçl | maçli |
Indirect | maçli | man |
çlɛ thing f. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | çlɛ | çlɛ |
Indirect | çljai | çlɛçl |
First Person | Second Person | |||
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ɛvɛ I m. and f. |
nə we m. and f. |
ty thou m. and f. |
βə ye m. and f. | |
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | ɛvɛ | nə | ti | βə |
Genitive | mjai | nɛsʈ | təi | βesʈ |
Dative | mi | nəçi | tɛçɛ | βəçi |
Accusative | mɛ | nə | tɛ | βə |
—, əi himself, herself itself, oneself, themselves | |
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Nominative | — |
Genitive | əi |
Dative | çɛçɛ |
Accusative | çɛ |
pja who? m. and f. |
pjad what? n. only | |
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Singular | ||
Nominative | pa | pjad |
Genitive | tʃiçl | tʃiçl |
Dative | kəja | kəja |
Accusative | pɛn | pjad |
ɛk, jak, ɛk this, this one |
ɛçlɛ, ɛçla, ɛçləd that, that one | |||||||||||
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Masculine | Feminine | Neuter | Masculine | Feminine | Neuter | |||||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | ɛk | i | jak | ja | ɛk | jak | ɛçlɛ | ɛçli | ɛçla | eçlja | ɛçləd | ɛçla |
Genitive | əçl | əçl | əçl | ɒçl | əçl | əçl | ɛçli | ɛçləçl | ɛçli | eçlaçl | ɛçli | ɛçləçl |
Dative | əɛk | i | əɛk | i | əɛk | i | ɛçli | ɛçli | ɛçli | ɛçli | ɛçli | ɛçli |
Accusative | ənk | ə | ɒnk | ɒ | ɛk | jak | ɛçl | ɛçl | ɛçla | ɒçla | ɒçləd | ɛçla |
Relative pronouns
pi, pjaæ, pəd who, which, that | ||||||
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Masculine | Feminine | Neuter | ||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | pi | pi | pja | pja | pəd | pja |
Genitive | tʃiçl | pəçl | tʃiçl | paçl | tʃiçl | pəçl |
Dative | kəja | pi | kəja | pi | kəja | pi |
Accusative | pɛn | pə | pan | pa | pod | pja |
Conjugation
Indicative mood, active voice, present tense | ||||||||
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pʌʎtaçlja | tjaçlɛçlja | pjasɛçlja | auziçlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pʌʎt | pʌʎtam | tjaçljaɾ | tjaçlɛm | pjas | pjasim | auzɛɾ | auzim |
Second Person | pʌʎta | pʌʎtasɛ | tjaçlɛ | tjaçlɛsɛ | pjasɛ | pjasɛsɛ | auzi | auzisɛ |
Third Person | pʌʎtat | pʌʎtant | tjaçljat | tjaçljant | pjasɛt | pjasint | auzɛt | auzjaənt |
Indicative mood, active voice, imperfect tense | ||||||||
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pʌʎtaçlja | tjaçlɛçlja | pjasɛçlja | auziçlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pʌʎtaħa | pʌʎtaβam | tjaçlɛħa | tjaçlɛβam | pjasɛħa | pjasɛβam | auzjaɛħa | auzjaɛβam |
Second Person | pʌʎtaħa | pʌʎtaβasɛ | tjaçlɛħa | tjaçlɛβasɛ | pjasɛħa | pjasɛβasɛ | auzjaɛħa | auzjaɛβasɛ |
Third Person | pʌʎtaħat | pʌʎtaħant | tjaçlɛħat | tjaçlɛħant | pjasɛħat | pjasɛħant | auzjaɛħat | auzjaɛβant |
Indicative mood, active voice, perfect tense | ||||||||
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pʌʎtaβɛsja | tjaçləɾɛsja | pɛtɛβɛsja | auzɛβɛsja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pʌʎtaçi | pʌʎtaçɛm | tjaçləɾi | tjaçləɾim | pjasiçi | pjasiçimja | auziçi | auziçɛm |
Second Person | pʌʎtaβɛsti | pʌʎtaβɛstɛ | tjaçləɾɛsti | tjaçləɾɛstɛ | pjasiβɛsti | pjasiβɛstɛ | auziβɛsti | auziβɛstɛ |
Third Person | pʌʎtaut | pʌʎtaβɛçlənt | tjaçləɾɛt | tjaçləɾɛçlənt | pjasiçɛt | pjasiβɛçlənt | auziçɛt | auziβɛʎənt |
Indicative mood, active voice, pluperfect tense | ||||||||
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pʌʎtaβɛsja | tjaçləɾɛsja | pjasɛβɛsja | auzɛβɛsja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pʌʎtaçjaçla | pʌʎtaçjaçlam | tjaçləɾjaçla | tjaçləɾjaçlam | pjasiçjaçla | pjasiçjaçlam | auziçjaçla | auziçjaçlam |
Second Person | pʌʎtaçjaçla | pʌʎtaçjaçlasɛ | tjaçləɾjaçla | tjaçləɾjaçlasɛ | pjasiçjaçla | pjasiçjaçlasɛ | auziçjaçla | auziçjaçlasɛ |
Third Person | pʌʎtaçjaçlat | pʌʎtaçjaçlant | tjaçləɾjaçlat | tjaçləɾjaçlant | pjasiçjaçlat | pjasiçjaçlant | auziçjaçlat | auziçjaçlant |
Indicative mood, active voice, future tense | ||||||||
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pʌʎtaçlja | tjaçlɛçlja | pjasɛçlja | auziçlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pʌʎtaɾ | pʌʎtaɾɛm | tjaçlɛɾ | tjaçlɛɾɛm | pjasa | pjasɛm | auzɛɾa | auzɛɾɛm |
Second Person | pʌʎtaɾɛ | pʌʎtaɾɛsɛ | tjaçlɛɾɛ | tjaçlɛɾɛsɛ | pjasɛ | pjasɛsɛ | auzɛɾɛ | auzɛɾɛsɛ |
Third Person | pʌʎtaɾɛt | pʌʎtaɾənt | tjaçlɛɾɛt | tjaçlɛɾənt | pjasjat | pjasjant | auzɛɾjat | auzɛɾjant |
Indicative mood, active voice, future perfect tense | ||||||||
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pʌʎtaçlja | tjaçlɛçlja | pjasɛçlja | auziçlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pʌʎtaçjaçl | pʌʎtaβjaçlɛm | tjaçləɾjaçl | tjaçləɾjaçlɛm | pjasɛçjaçlə | pjaçlsɛçjaçlɛm | auziçjaçlə | auziçjaçlɛm |
Second Person | pʌʎtaçjaçlɛ | pʌʎtaβjaçlɛsɛ | tjaçləɾjaçlɛ | tjaçləɾjaçlɛsɛ | pjasɛçjaçlɛ | pjasɛçjaçlɛsɛ | auziçjaçlɛ | auziçjaçlɛsɛ |
Third Person | pʌʎtaçæʎɛt | pʌʎtaβjaçlɛnt | tjaçləɾjaçlɛt | tjaçləɾjaçlɛnt | pjasɛçjaçlɛt | pjasɛçjaçlɛsɛ | auziçjaçlɛt | auziçjaçlɛnt |