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*Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns
*Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns
What think ye? [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Kicgan Vekei]] 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
What think ye? [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Kicgan Vekei]] 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? [[User:DCliche|DCliche]] 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)


==Declension==
==Declension==

Revision as of 12:12, 13 March 2010

The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.

More Specific Rules

Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.

Participants

Current Participants

It is Peter Bleackley's turn.

Possible Participants

These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.

  • Karen Badham
  • Benct Philip Jonsson

Former Participants

Sound Changes

Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.

Stage 1

  • a: > a
  • e > ɛ
  • e: > e
  • i > e
  • i: > i
  • o > ɔ
  • o: > o
  • u > o
  • u: > u
  • y > i
  • y: > i
  • ai > ɛ
  • oi > e
  • n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
  • h > Ø
  • w > β
  • b > β / V_(V,r)
  • m > Ø / _#
  • m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
  • (e,i) > j / _V
  • u > w / _V
  • VV > V
  • V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
  • V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV

Stage 2

  • [fricative] > Ø / V_V
  • n > r / V_V
  • g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
  • s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)

Stage 3

  • (k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
  • s > h / #_V
  • u > ʉ
  • a > æ / _[+anterior]
  • e > ɞ

Stage 4

  • i > ʉ
  • ɛ > æ
  • [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
  • β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
  • l > λ

Stage 5

  • j > λ
  • (kw, gw) > (p, b)
  • o > u
  • (ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
  • u > ɯ

Stage 6

  • a > ɑ / #_
  • ɣ > v
  • ɔ > ɤ
  • (ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
  • λ > ʎ̥˔

Stage 7

  • s > Ø / _#
  • [alveolar]r > [retroflex]
  • [geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
  • (y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
  • r > ʟ

Stage 8

  • ʟ > l
  • h > ħ / _a
  • h > ç / _[front vowel]
  • (ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
  • ɑ > ɒ

Stage 9

  • l > λ > ʎ̥˔
  • h > Ø
  • (ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)

Proposals

Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:
  • Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
  • Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
  • Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
  • Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
  • Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns

What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Declension

pɨæʎa
girl f.
Singular Plural
Nominative pɨæʎa pɨæʎæ
Genitive pɨæʎæ pɨæʎaʎɨ
Dative pɨæʎæ pɨæʎi
Accusative pɨæʎa pɨæʎa
Ablative pɨæʎa pɨæʎy
Vocative pɨæʎa pɨæʎæ
kampɨ
field m.
Singular Plural
Nominative kampɨ kampi
Genitive kampi kampɨlɨ
Dative kampɨ kampi
Accusative kampɨ kampɨ
Ablative kampɨ kampi
Vocative kampæ kampi
ʎæk, ʎævɛ
king m.
Singular Plural
Nominative ʎæk ʎævɛ
Genitive ʎævɛ ʎævɨ
Dative ʎævi ʎævɛɨ
Accusative ʎævɛ ʎævɛ
Ablative ʎævæ ʎævɛɨ
Vocative læk lævɛ
maro
hand f.
Singular Plural
Nominative marɨ mari
Genitive mari manɨ
Dative marɨi marɛɨ
Accusative marɨ mari
Ablative mari marɛɨ
Vocative manɨ mani
ʎɛ
thing f.
Singular Plural
Nominative ʎɛ ʎɛ
Genitive ʎæi ʎɛʎɨ
Dative ʎæi ʎɛɨ
Accusative ʎɛn ʎɛ
Ablative ʎɛ ʎɛɨ
Vocative ʎɛ ʎɛ
First Person Second Person
ɛvɛ
I m. and f.

we m. and f.
ty
thou m. and f.
βɨ
ye m. and f.
Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ɛvɛ ti βɨ
Genitive mæi nɛsʈɨ tɨi βesʈɨ
Dative mi nɨçi tɛçɛ βɨçi
Accusative βɨ
Ablative nɨçi βɨçi
Vocative —— —— ti βɨ
ɛ
he, they m.
æa
she, they f.
ɛd
it, they n.
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ɛ ɛi æa ææ ɛd æa
Genitive æʎɨ æɨʎɨ æʎɨ æaʎɨ æʎɨ æɨʎɨ
Dative æi æi æi æi æi æi
Accusative æɨ æɨ æa æa ɛd æa
Vocative - - - - - -
Ablative æɨ æi æa æi æɨ æi
—, ɨi
himself, herself
itself, oneself, themselves
Nominative
Genitive ɨi
Dative çɛçɛ
Accusative çɛ
Vocative -
Ablative çɛ

who? m. and f.
pæd
what? n. only
Singular
Nominative pæd
Genitive kiʎɨ kiʎɨ
Dative kɨæ kɨæ
Accusative pɛn pæd
Vocative - -
Ablative
ɛk, æk, ɛk
this, this one
ɛʎɛ, ɛʎa, ɛʎɨd
that, that one
Masculine Feminine Neuter Masculine Feminine Neuter
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ek i æk æ ɛk æk ɛʎɛ ɛʎi ɛʎa eʎæ ɛʎɨd ɛʎa
Genitive ɨʎɨ ɨlɨ ɨʎɨ ɒʎɨ ɨʎɨ ɨʎɨ ɛʎiɨ eʎɨʎɨ ɛʎiɨ eʎaʎɨ ɛʎiɨ eʎɨʎɨ
Dative ɨɛk i ɨɛk i ɨɛk i ɛʎi ɛʎi ɛʎi ɛʎi ɛʎi ɛʎi
Accusative ɨnk ɨ ɒnk ɒ ɛk æk eʎɨ eʎɨ eʎa ɒʎa ɒʎɨd eʎa
Vocative - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ablative ɨk i ɒk i ɨk i eʎɨ ɛʎi eʎa ɛʎi eʎɨ ɛʎi

Relative pronouns

pi, pæ, pɨd
who, which, that
Masculine Feminine Neuter
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative pi pi pɨd
Genitive kiʎɨ pɨʎɨ kiʎɨ paʎɨ kiʎɨ pɨʎɨ
Dative kɨæ piɨ kɨæ piɨ kɨæ piɨ
Accusative pɛn pan pa pod
Vocative - - - - - -
Ablative piɨ pa piɨ piɨ

Conjugation

Indicative mood, active voice, present tense
portāre terrēre petere audīre
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɤrtɯ pɤrtamɯ tærræɯ tærrɛmɯ pæsɯ pæsimɯ auzæɯ auzimɯ
Second Person pɤrta ppɤrtasɛ tærrɛ tærrɛsɛ pæsɛ pæsœsœ auzy auzisɛ
Third Person pɤrtat pɤrtant tærræt tærrænt pæsɛt pæsint auzɛt auzæɯnt