User talk:Muke

Muke, I have my own alphabet and a font that I created myself. Is there any way to use this font on Frathwiki pages (for native names)? (I am aware that, should there be a way to do this, many would not see it - but for those who have the font, it would be great, in addition to transliterations.)User Talk:Pisceesumsprecan

Thanks, Muke. Your advice on the above works perfectly! Just one more thing: how do you change the font size? Sorry to bother you again.

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Muke, I don't get how to use the combining diacratics. How do they combine with other letters? Still struggling. I'm trying to combine ◌̄ with an æ ligature and, after following yor advice - placing the combining diacratic after the æ, it still does not combine. What could I be doing wrong? I use Internet Explorer 7, if this helps. User Talk:Pisceesumsprecan

UPDATE: I've found that the character I want exists anyway. When I use diacratics, I put, for instance, æ◌̄, but the ◌̄ seems to be treated as a letter in its own right. I can't delete the o without first deleting the diacratic (refuses to put cursor between them), which beats the object. Like I said, I've found the right character anyway, so it's no longer a problem, but you may be interested in the behaviour of the software.

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Muke, This is Elliott from Conlang. I've been working on a Silindion wiki, I was wondering if you would have the time to comment on it, and maybe provide any formatting and or other advice? thanks.

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Trebor/Tables etc.

LOL. This is Trebor Jung of Conlang. Is this Wiki for your own personal use or can anyone post stuff on their conlangs and/or conworlds? You can reply to me at treborjung at free dot fr. Thanks.

Anyone can feel free to post here. :x) —Muke Tever | ✎ 11:32, 24 Jun 2004 (PDT)

Trebor again. How do you make tables in Wikipedia? I've seen examples but they look complicated... Thanks. 28 June 2004 14:55 EST

If you know how, you can use HTML to make tables. Otherwise, there is a simpler wiki table markup described in brief at FrathWiki:How does one edit a page, and a detailed description of a the table formats the wiki understands at MediaWiki User's Guide: Using tables. If that's still not clear, you could mark what needs tabulated, and I could give working on it a shot. —Muke Tever | ✎ 13:16, 28 Jun 2004 (PDT)

Thanks. Please make tables at Kasin for consonants and vowels (please add place of articulation; you can delete the X-Sampa representation), and at Kosi for these: Consonants, Vowels, (again please add POA), Cases, Possession, Demonstratives, Aspects, Moods, Voices, Derivation, and Lexicon . Much appreciated!

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I tried creating a table for Kosi's vowels. How does it look? (Because I'm visually impaired I can't actually check it myself.) --Trebor, 29 June 2004, 18:00 EST

It looks all right, except the purpose of the rounded / unrounded line confuses me — the way it lines up it shows "Unrounded" in the same column as "Mid", and "Rounded" in the same column as "Front" (so that i and e seem to be classed as front rounded vowels). I'd fix it now but I can't quite make out which cells "Rounded" and "Unrounded" are intended to head (it might need a little more reformatting). —Muke Tever | ✎ 15:30, 29 Jun 2004 (PDT)

Whoops. Here are Kosi's vowels and their X-Sampa equivalents: i /i/, ü /y/, û /M/, u /u/, e /e/, ö /2/, y /@/, jo /jo/, ô /7/, o /o/, a /a/, ja /ja/. And could you also help me with tables for Kosi Cases, Possession, Demonstratives, Aspects, Moods, Voices, Derivation, and Lexicon (Lexicon headings: Kosi, Etymology, English; you can remove the brackets and < for the etymology. Also, could you make a vowel table and grammatical structures table at Kasin. Thanks! Or if you like, I'll try making tables and you can check them? --Trebor, 12:27 EST, 30 June 2004

I'm working on them by and by. —Muke Tever | ✎ 11:53, 30 Jun 2004 (PDT)

Oh, I see.

How come when I enter in an accent with Alt codes (e.g. o-trema alt+0246), the page goes out of forms mode without having saved my changes? Annoying. --Trebor, 19:24, 30 June 2004

My guess is your number lock is off, thus instead of the alt-46 at the end it's reading it as alt-left and alt-right (go back a page, then go forward again) — if I do that in IE it will erase changes that I've made. If that's not the problem, I'm not sure offhand what else it could be. —Muke Tever | ✎ 17:51, 30 Jun 2004 (PDT)

That's strange, I just tried alt+0246 and it worked. But my numb lock was on when I noticed this problem yesterday too (AFAIK)... --Trebor, 08:57 EST, 1 July 2004

The wrong version loads

The Sisiwön article mentions it is a collaborative conlang. In the group for discussing it, Alex Fink mentioned he added to it, but he additions aren't on the page. I thot maybe the Recent Changes page might give a link to the new version, but it doesn't work. On the Recent Changes page I also noticed you added a Lexicon table to Kosi, but it's not on that page. I went to edit the page, but the table formatting exists in the Edit This Page box, so why not in the actual article? This is very puzzling. --Trebor, 09:52 EST, 2 July 2004

My guess is that your browser is loading from its cache instead of the server. Try a hard reload (usually shift-F5) when you view a page, and see if that helps. —Muke Tever | ✎ 07:08, 2 Jul 2004 (PDT)

Even more puzzling, I edited Sisiwön and Kosi, and the changes appeared in the articles :O --Trebor, 11:04, 2 July 2004 EST

Problem with Table

Sisiwön has a consonant table but it won't show up properly in the article. Why won't it work? --Trebor, 21:17, 2 July 2004 EST

It should be fixed now. The table had been begun with pipe then open-brace "|{", instead of open-brace then pipe "{|", so it wasn't interpreting it as a table. —Muke Tever | ✎ 18:25, 2 Jul 2004 (PDT)

Hi Muke, I have a small request: Would you mind please deleting my Trebor page as well as the Kasin page? Thanks. --Trebor

Question

Hi Muke, here's a question to you...

A few days ago, I asked Grzegorz Jagodziński to comment on the Slavic soundchanges discussion on Talk:Slevan. However, when he tried to register (or to make an edit), he got the following answer: Your IP address is listed as an open proxy in the [http://www.sorbs.net SORBS] DNSBL. You cannot create an account. As he assured me, his IP address is not an open proxy at all. His Internet connection is of such kind that his IP is hidden, and that instead the IP of his provider is shown. There's nothing he can do about that, and obviously he has nothing in common with disseminating spam. Is there anything that can be done? Oddly enough, he had no problem at all registering at Wikipedia.

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 11:38, 22 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Hi! This is a feature I didn't know about, but apparently Proxy blocking is on by default. I shut it off so Grzegorz should be able to login or make edits now. Any further problems, let me know. —Muke Tever | ✎ 17:19, 22 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Thank you! --167.202.196.71 21:52, 22 Aug 2005 (PDT)

The Longman Defining Vocabulary

I sent this to you by email, but got no answer. Perhaps my spam filter ate it?

Hi Muke,

Do you think User:Melroch/Longman_Defining_Vocabulary would be OK on FrathWiki? Wordlists aren't copyrightable as such, but this is based on some research obviously! I can of course write to Longman and ask, but it should be noted that it is cited in respectable academic pages like this and this (these are actually the same site). Note that the version of the vocabulary at that page is put into an HTML table, meaning that if you select-copy it the alphabetic order will be destroyed...

To increase the usefulness of the vocabulary, and the amount of independent work and so the fair- use-factor I have added a version of the vocabulary sorted by frequency.

BPJ 14:31, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

It can probably stand. (I got your mail but it appears that I neglected to respond.) —Muke Tever | ✎ 17:25, 26 April 2006 (PDT)

OK, then I'll move it from my user space to a regular page.

Do you think there is any category it would fit under? BPJ 05:03, 27 April 2006 (PDT)

I suppose Category:Lexica unless something more à propos emerges. —Muke Tever | ✎ 15:12, 27 April 2006 (PDT)

The new Langmaker wiki

What about adding an interwiki link to the new Langmaker wiki (and linking to it on the frontpage among the other wikis)? http://www.langmaker.com/db/Main_Page

BPJ 14:10, 30 April 2006 (PDT)

Thanks

Just wanted to say thanks.

Deletion please

Please delete this page. There is a typo in its title. --George D. Bozovic (talk) 08:32, 12 July 2006 (PDT)

Latin Pinyin

Hi! I've dropped some suggestions at Talk:Latin Pinyin. I really should get those Vulgar Latin pages I'm planning underway... BPJ 07:38, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

Unicode display again

Would it be possible to put a

body {
   font-family: list of fonts from IPA class;
   font-family /**/:inherit;
   }

definition into MediaWiki:Common.css to make things more generally readable to MSIE users, or would it ruin other aspects of the main definition of body? I think it would be a Good Thing if it worked.

FWIW I think Template:IPA is still a good idea, not least 'coz I would like to have the main body in a serif font but IPA in sans in my own style sheet, though I haven't implemented it just yet, since I've abused Template:IPA in my Kijeb page to make sure ŋ is readable — something I hope to be able to remove. Besides the Vulgar latin page(s) I'm planning will be gibberish unless Unicode is clearly visible throughout, since there will of course be macrons, breves, underdots and "ogoneks" all over the place... BPJ 14:56, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

Sure, go ahead and try it. —Muke Tever | ✎ 20:03, 15 July 2006 (PDT)

I did, and it seems to work — i.e. [User:Melroch/sandbox] looks OK in MSIE when I'm not logged in — but it begs the question in what order we should have the fonts in the list, as that order is the order of preference picked by browsers. May I suggest DejaVu Sans as first choice, as it is a relatively neutral sans that renders reasonably crisply, and AFAIK sans is the default choice of MediaWiki?

BTW when not using my own style sheet FrathWiki shows in a rather small font size on my machine in all of Firefox, MSIE and Opera. Is that due to some setting in the wiki, or to some weirdness on my system?

Would it be possible to make some kind of poll among registered users as to the default/common.css style issues?, as we don't want to scare new users or visitors away with poor readability.

BPJ 05:48, 16 July 2006 (PDT)

Well, I'm not sure whether there's enough community among the users to gather enough to answer polls. What one could do is set up a page with snippets of CSS that people who might be interested in making particular changes can copy into their user stylesheet. —Muke Tever | ✎ 06:30, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

IPA character entry.

Have a look at this:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Helferlein/IPA_Typewriter/Versionen/0.1_release

I wonder if there might be a way to make it into a real wiki page? As is you have to copy-paste it into a local file. Also it should of course have its labels translated into English -- I can do *that*, but I suck at JavaScript. I wonder if it could replace the current IPA character entry system on the edit page? It would take too much place probably, above the save/preview buttons and all!

To provide one 'phonemic' and one 'phonetic' version of the IPA template insertionlink seems a good idea to me, but the slashes/brackets should go inside the template:

{{IPA|/.../}}, {{IPA|[...]}}

which IMHO looks best if the IPA is displayed in another font than the surrounding text. BPJ 05:06, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

It might be feasible to set up such a thing with the <charinsert> tag currently used, in conjunction with the "editintro" extension (i think it's in metawikipedia:Inputbox) to create a keyboard _above_ the edit box. As for making it a wiki page in itself, that would take a bit of engineering: as javascript isn't allowed in wiki pages itself, its function would have to be divided so that all the actual javascript would site in the site's js file. (But I, too, suck at Javascript, and couldn't implement this.) As for the other thing, the character inserts are put in from Mediawiki:Copyrightwarning and as a sysop you can feel free to improve it; as only I have touched the page so far I consider it rough and provisional. —Muke Tever | ✎ 06:27, 28 July 2006 (PDT)

Request for deletion

Hi Muke; I'd appreciate it if you'd please delete Kosi_grammar. Thanks. Trebor 19:01, 8 August 2006 (PDT)

Screwed up pages by trying to rename one

Hi, Muke -- I think I've made a mess. I was trying to update the page "Neo-Khitanese" to reflect that I've given the lingo a proper name now and not just a placeholder. In trying to update the link to it on the "League of Lost Languages Page" I managed to create a page "Kilda Kelen" with no content; that's the name I want to rename the old "Neo-Khitanese" page. But since this blank "Kilda Kelen" now exists, I can't use the "move" command. And I don't know how to delete the rotten thing. Could you unbollux this for me when you get a chance? All I think needs to be done is to rename the page now listed as "Neo-Khitanese" as "Kilda Kelen". Many apologies! -- Kuroda, 24 August '06

Deleting categories

Hi Muke -- due to my stupidity I erroneously created two wrong categories, but I seem to be unable to delete them. Is that supposed to be, or is there some special step that has to be taken to delete categories (as opposed to normal articles, which I can delete pretty easily)? Thanks -Denihilonihil 20:09, 24 November 2006 (PST)

Infobox

Hi, Muke. I have a problem. On my page: Tauro-Piscean Republic the Infobox won't work properly and all of its elements are scattered across the page.

What have I done wrong?--Pisceesumsprecan 07:46, 23 March 2008 (PDT)

References and Quoting

I can't seem to get the referencing and footnote techniques to work for High German. Am I missing something? User:Blackkdark June 3rd, 2008

Somehow the extension that allows those hadn't been installed yet. (Just fixed that.) —Muke Tever | ✎ 00:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing it, but now I don't know exactly how to use it for the site. At the end I have two direct quotes from a site, and I can't seem to get it to go down to references and insert them. Any ideas or such? --Blackkdark 00:11, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It looks like your syntax may be wrong. See wikipedia:Help:Footnotes for the way the tags are to be used. —Muke Tever | ✎ 04:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Front page update

Hi. Me again!

Well, I had an idea to change the main page quite significantly, but I think it would make the site more efficient to use and more attractive.

It might take me a while to put my ideas together and pick the best design. I will do it as a separate page first to demonstrate, but how would you feel about this?

--Pisceesumsprecan 20:19, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi, feel free to make improvements. It is a wiki, after all. I'd suggest you post proposed changes to Talk:Main Page though so discussion can happen if anyone else is interested. —Muke Tever | ✎ 21:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Check out my demo page. I finished it, but I can of course make alterations. What do you think?--Pisceesumsprecan 17:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Editing of Pages

Hi,

I am wondering if I can rename and/or delete entire pages? Ilya, one of my categories has undergone quite a few revisions and I would like to do some intense editing. Thanks. - Qang

FrathWiki logo

For a bit of fun, I tried to create an alternative FrathWiki logo.

I'm not ordering you to use it, but if you like it, I thought I'd offer it to you. If you're interested in it, but there are bits you don't like, tell me and I'll do my best to change it. I can also send you the original Photoshop file with layers.

It is based on the pyramid in the conlang flag. Part of it is deliberately missing (revealing a gold glow beneath to represent insight) akin to the Wikipedia puzzle piece. I thought the texture looked a bit Gothic (relating to the word 'Frath', which is Gothic in origin).

I have created the image in its entirety by myself, so there are no copyright issues.

--Pisceesumsprecan 15:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Interesting ideas. How about putting together a vote, to see what other people think? There may be others with ideas floating around as well that could be considered. Could probably start FrathWiki:Logo for the discussion. —Muke Tever | ✎ 10:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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Mine is not the only logo. Somebody submitted this one to me:

http://anj8ca.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pklH7A_1mj7ZLEd1Dg5t5eGlB7QKWi6uc42uoKMWVxJrGLeO8vexLB20ciFWjBYwMlfRybvdME1M/frathwiki_logo%20copy.jpg

I really like it for its simplicity.

--Pisceesumsprecan 06:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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As you probably know, I've made quite a few changes round here recently. So I've made an article about why I made them and what I might be able to do in the future. There is a link to it on the Main Page. I hope you've liked all of the changes and that you don't think I'm getting too big for my boots. I do enjoy working on FrathWiki.

Also, I'm altering the version of my logo, so we should see that discussion resparked some time soon.

--Pisceesumsprecan 16:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Charinsert

You may have noticed Wikipedia has updated its charinsert box - divided into segments choosable from a drop-down. Is it possible to install that (or a suitable tweak of it) here? Each segment also has an updated glyph order that I find to be much more useful than the Unicode default.

Also, did you ever notice IPA is included twice, first at the top & then within the Latin range (this time with all the outdated/unofficial letters too)? --John Vertical 10:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, the character edit box is included from FrathWiki:Special character insertion and should be editable, if you can put together a better character arrangement... as far as the dropdown, that doesn't require installation... it's just a bit of javascript for Mediawiki:Monobook.js. The code depends on what the character sections end up being though, so if you want to make any changes it might be best to do that first (for now anyway; it can always be changed). —Muke Tever | ✎ 22:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Melroch and Common CSS

Hi, Muke. The Common CSS has been changed by Melroch and everything is big. Also, I've checked out Melroch's sandbox and it contains the following strange messages:

-yes yes sir Melroch-

-yes no way Melroch-

-no no way Philip-

I'm concerned that the account has been hacked.

On a different note, there is a consensus that the logo should be replaced by Cedh Audmanh's plain version (second on this page: FrathWiki:Logo).

Thanks

--S.C. Anderson 19:14, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

As far as the sandbox, it just seems to be a test of conditional templates. Not sure about the change to common.css; it seems to have had a greater effect in some browsers than others, so it might just have been insufficient testing. I've put the new logo in place. —Muke Tever | ✎ 06:21, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Common CSS blooper

What have you done to the Common CSS? Everything's big!--S.C. Anderson 19:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. My user CSS caused me not to see the real effect of what I had done! One million apologies! BPJ 07:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Spammer alert

User: User:Dampen

Page: Lamasery

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User: User:Infiltrations

Page: McVeigh

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User: User:Shelvings

Page: Bulkheads

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User: User:Partakers

Page: Beautified

Page/Picture Deletion

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Can you delete this page?

http://wiki.frath.net/Winvid

And these pictures?

http://wiki.frath.net/Image:Ni_kun_glai_di!.jpg

http://wiki.frath.net/Image:Untitled2.jpg

http://wiki.frath.net/Image:Winvid_Consonants.jpg

Thank you. - David

I've deleted them. I hope you will offer more of your content to FrathWiki in the future. Good luck with your conlanging. --S.C. Anderson 23:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Account Deletion

Hi there, again. This is a really good site. And I have had a lot of fun on it with me and my friends. I have always been interested in conlanguages and always will, but for now I don't really feel it's my thing (making them, I mean, I love to read about them though). So for now I think I need my account deleted. I will definitely still visit this site even after I do so. Maybe one day later I will make an account on this site again when I have more time. Thanks alot! --David 02:07, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure about deleting my account

Yes, I'm sure I want to delete my account. I meant I intend to look at things on the site. And if one day I decide to make a new account, I will. However now, I am trying to minimize my computer use. And I think for me the best way is to eliminate the cause. So, I'm sorry that I seem so insistent, because it's never a nice day when someone wants to delete their account, and it's nothing about the site itself, I am just trying really hard to spend more time doing other things...so, at that, I'm sorry for leaving, but I think for now this is what I need to do (sounds like I'm about to kill myself xD). Thanks for understanding. Good-bye. --David 03:12, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge needed

I've been organizing things a little, and found the pages A priori conlang and A priori, which should probably be merged.

There is also A posteriori, but the page A posteriori conlang has not yet been written. --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 12:40, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Spambot invasion

Check the user creation log... --Trɔpʏliʊm • blah 11:07, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Deletion when you can

When you can, could you delete these pages? I tried to put up a conlang but I decided it wasn't working out.

• Thalsevean
• Thalsevëan
• Main Page/Thalsevëan

Thanks --Пазмивние^{Vündëo Achist (Shout Here)} 00:39, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. —Muke Tever | ✎ 21:51, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again! --Пазмивние^{Vündëo Achist (Shout Here)} 15:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Request for user name change

Could you change my name to User:Christina, please? Nik 09:44, 17 January 2010 (UTC)