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Dalcurian does not have a case system per se (pronouns inflect for nom/acc). The language is predominantley word order based. However, there is a case for double genitives, and although possession is not strictly a case, we'll cover that here too.
Dalcurian does not have a case system per se, which specifically marks subjects, objects and indirect objects (except pronouns which inflect for nom/acc). The language is predominantley word order based. However, there is a case for double genitives, but, for the sake of this article, I feel it necessary to point out a traditional argument among grammarians worldwide regarding the difference between 'genitive' and 'possession'.
 
The argumant is that, if something is 'owned', then the term should be possession: ''my house, your dog, Jack's car''. These can also be reformulated (albeit archaically) with 'of': ''the house of me, the dog of you, the car of Jack''.
 
But 'of' can also be used when something is 'not' owned: ''a group of friends, a glass of milk, a bunch of flowers''. This is what some would term as purely 'genitive'. I myself am only going to make small distinctions between 'genitive' and 'possession', since Dalcurian grammarians show little significance to this argument. The use of examples should make this clear.
 


=='''Possession'''==
=='''Possession'''==


Dalcurian possession is very straight forward in that it's formed with the preposition '''qve'''-''of'' and an accusative pronoun (or simply a noun). The following examples equate to the use of a possessive adjective, such as ''my, our, your'' etc in English:
Dalcurian possession is very straight forward in that it's formed with the preposition '''qve'''-''of'' and an accusative pronoun (or simply a noun). The following examples equate to the use of a possessive adjective, such as ''my, our, your'', the use of possessive pronouns such as ''mine, yours, hers'', and the use of ''of'' such as in ''friends of mine, glass of milk'':


* '''di abödä qve binöra''' ''my house''
* '''di abödä qve binöra''' ''my house''
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* '''di flästa vötöj qve mæöra''' ''his new car''
* '''di flästa vötöj qve mæöra''' ''his new car''
* '''di didérämös qve Kála''' ''Kala's drink''
* '''qömpalel qve binöra''' ''my friends/friends of mine''
* '''ni didéragläj qve milecij''' ''a glass of milk''


Possessive pronouns such as ''mine, ours, his'' etc, as with possessive adjectives do not exist in Dalcurian, thus one cannot say ''that's mine, it's ours'' etc; a noun will always be present in a possessive sentence:
Possessive pronouns such as ''mine, ours, his'' etc, as with possessive adjectives do not exist in Dalcurian, thus one cannot say ''that's mine, it's ours'' etc; a noun will always be present in a possessive sentence:


* '''Vehiri? gehör séÞa vötöj.''' '''TaÞ di vötöj qve binöra'''. ''Who's is this car? It's my car'' (or can be unliterally translated as ''it's mine'')
* '''Vehiri?, máriÞ séÞa vötöj, gehör .''' '''TaÞ di vötöj qve binöra'''. ''Who's is this car? It's my car'' (or can be unliterally translated as ''it's mine'')<br>For more on this example, see bottom of page.
 
=='''Genitive==
 
There is also another possessive construct, as in: ''the dog's basket, the house window, a chair leg'' etc. Again, ''of'' can be used: ''the basket of the dog, the window of the house, the leg of the chair''. With the exception of ''the dog's basket'', which is clearly possessive, (but relevant here), it could be said that ''house'' does not own ''window'' and ''chair'' does not own ''leg''. However, Dalcurian grammar DOES see this as a form of possession, since a ''window'' is a part of the ''house'', and a ''leg'' is a part of the ''chair''. THIS is what I would term genitive. However, all 3 translated into Dalcurian will use a 'genitive' case:
 
* '''disqu säj di gadöraj''' ''the dog's bed''
 
* '''dis fenstanäj di abödä''' ''the house window''
 
* '''nis stötsérämös ni siötrij''' ''a chair leg''
 
Here, the articles '''di/ni''' inflect; they add '''s''' when the following word begins with anything other than '''s''', and '''squ''' when the following word begins with '''s'''.<br>'''dis/nis''' literally translate as ''the (+ noun) of''. The rule here is quite straight forward: if you have to use ''the/a'' twice, as in ''the bed of the dog, a leg of a chair'', then use the genitive case.
 
 


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Dalcurian does not have a case system per se, which specifically marks subjects, objects and indirect objects (except pronouns which inflect for nom/acc). The language is predominantley word order based. However, there is a case for double genitives, but, for the sake of this article, I feel it necessary to point out a traditional argument among grammarians worldwide regarding the difference between 'genitive' and 'possession'.

The argumant is that, if something is 'owned', then the term should be possession: my house, your dog, Jack's car. These can also be reformulated (albeit archaically) with 'of': the house of me, the dog of you, the car of Jack.

But 'of' can also be used when something is 'not' owned: a group of friends, a glass of milk, a bunch of flowers. This is what some would term as purely 'genitive'. I myself am only going to make small distinctions between 'genitive' and 'possession', since Dalcurian grammarians show little significance to this argument. The use of examples should make this clear.


Possession

Dalcurian possession is very straight forward in that it's formed with the preposition qve-of and an accusative pronoun (or simply a noun). The following examples equate to the use of a possessive adjective, such as my, our, your, the use of possessive pronouns such as mine, yours, hers, and the use of of such as in friends of mine, glass of milk:

  • di abödä qve binöra my house
  • di gadöraj qve diöra your dog
  • di flästa vötöj qve mæöra his new car
  • di didérämös qve Kála Kala's drink
  • qömpalel qve binöra my friends/friends of mine
  • ni didéragläj qve milecij a glass of milk

Possessive pronouns such as mine, ours, his etc, as with possessive adjectives do not exist in Dalcurian, thus one cannot say that's mine, it's ours etc; a noun will always be present in a possessive sentence:

  • Vehiri?, máriÞ séÞa vötöj, gehör . TaÞ di vötöj qve binöra. Who's is this car? It's my car (or can be unliterally translated as it's mine)
    For more on this example, see bottom of page.

Genitive

There is also another possessive construct, as in: the dog's basket, the house window, a chair leg etc. Again, of can be used: the basket of the dog, the window of the house, the leg of the chair. With the exception of the dog's basket, which is clearly possessive, (but relevant here), it could be said that house does not own window and chair does not own leg. However, Dalcurian grammar DOES see this as a form of possession, since a window is a part of the house, and a leg is a part of the chair. THIS is what I would term genitive. However, all 3 translated into Dalcurian will use a 'genitive' case:

  • disqu säj di gadöraj the dog's bed
  • dis fenstanäj di abödä the house window
  • nis stötsérämös ni siötrij a chair leg

Here, the articles di/ni inflect; they add s when the following word begins with anything other than s, and squ when the following word begins with s.
dis/nis literally translate as the (+ noun) of. The rule here is quite straight forward: if you have to use the/a twice, as in the bed of the dog, a leg of a chair, then use the genitive case.


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