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Some reconstruction notes.
Some reconstruction notes.
==Development from [[Proto-Uralic]]==
==Development from [[Proto-Uralic]]==
Changes shared with Samic in <font color="#A0A0A0">gray</font>, those also shared with Finnic in <font color="#00D000">green</font>, and those with even wider distribution in <font color="#D08000">orange</font>.
Changes shared with Samic in <span style="color:#A0A0A0">gray</span>, those also shared with Finnic in <span style="color:#00D000">green</span>, and those with even wider distribution in <span style="color:#D08000">orange</span>.
* <font color="#D08000">*V *Vː / _x</font> (both preconsonantal and prevocalic!)
* <span style="color:#D08000">*V > *Vː / _x</span> (both preconsonantal and prevocalic!)
** <font color="#D08000">*x → ∅ / _C</font>
* <span style="color:#A0A0A0">*a > *o / _C</span> (except _Ć, _x)
* <font color="#00D000">*ë(ː) → *a(ː)</font>
* <span style="color:#00D000">*ë > *a</span>
* *ü *i; initially *wi-
* *ü > *i, by default
** and *u / _Cu? *śokś ~ BF *süksü "autumn", *lovca "milk" ~ BF *lüpsü "milking" (or ~ PU *lupsa "dew"?), *povo ~ BF *püvü "hazelhen"
** initially *wi- (*ük- > *vej-, *(w)ülä- > *veľ-; any others??)
** *ü > *u / _velar (*mok- *pokəń *poŋə *śokś); counterfed by the previous. NB also *miŋä > *meŋ- > mej-!
*Vowel height switch:
*Vowel height switch:
*# <font color="#D08000">*i *u *ɪ *ʊ</font>
*# <span style="color:#D08000">*i *u > *ɪ *ʊ</span>
*# *Vː *V
*# *Vː > *V
*# *e *o *i *u (assuming a long stage not required)
*# *e *o > *i *u (assuming a long stage not required)
*# <font color="#00D000">*ɪ *ʊ *e *o</font> (but in Finnic clearly not by common inheritance, as *i *u remain)
*# *ɪ *ʊ > *e *o
** Possibly including: <font color="#A0A0A0">*ɪː *ʊː *iː *uː *i *u</font> (*wêxi- *vij-)
** *o remains before *ŋ however (*čov *joŋs *lokśəj *oŋ poŋgo/pov *sova-, possibly *poŋa ~ Es põv, or  poŋgo/povə ~ Es pooma (depending on if *uŋa > BF *oo))
** Possibly including: <span style="color:#A0A0A0">*ɪː *ʊː > *iː *uː > *i *u</span> (*wêxə- > *vij-)
** Last two stages probably postdate vowel reduction (given loanwords like *kerda > *kirda)
* Stress shifts from *e / *o to a later-syllable *ä / *a
* Stress shifts from *e / *o to a later-syllable *ä / *a
* <font color="#D08000">Unstress'd *i → *ə</font>
* <span style="color:#D08000">*mt > *nt</span>
* <font color="#D08000">*mt → *nt</font>
* <span style="color:#D08000">*ć > *ś</span> (if PU *ć even existed; /ć/ is found in Mk ''oćä'', seems to be secondary; lenition may be later than voicing: *eś ~ ''itse'', *śiśəm ~ ''seitsen'', )
*Medial lenition, round 1 (all this when preceded by a voiced sound and not final)
*Medial lenition, round 1 (all this when intervocalic or prenasal)
** <font color="#D08000">*pp *tt *čč *kk *p *t *č *k</font>
** <span style="color:#D08000">*pp *tt *čč *kk > *p *t *č *k</span> (clear examples exist only for *pp though!)
** <font color="#D08000">*p *t *k *b *d *g</font>
** <span style="color:#D08000">*p *t *k > *b *d *g</span>
** <font color="#D08000">*s *š *ś</font> *x <font color="#D08000">*z *ž *ź</font> *j
** <span style="color:#D08000">*s *š *ś</span> *x > <span style="color:#D08000">*z *ž *ź</span> *j
** *č , however, remain strictly unvoiced, as does *s in *-sw-.
** *č, however, remains strictly unvoiced
* *ə ∅ after a single consonant, or velar + sibilant; only after this, unstress'd *ä *a
* *nź > ź? (Er. ''saźi-'' ~ P. *suudź-)
** secondarily *ə ∅ / al_ (''al kal pal sal val'')
* *rs *šn > š (*kürsä *warsa *wešnä > *kši *vašə *višɜ)
* *ðʲ → */ #_, _C (if these aren't loans from Permic; also in Mari)
** or *ər > š? (Ir. *kārt → *kšńi, but cf. Av. *rt > <š>)
* Word-final > ∅ after a single consonant, or peripheral + sibilant (*joŋs *käťks *lafś *mekš *piks *soks *sokś *suks, ? *vaks)
** after this, unstress'd *ä *a > too
** secondarily *ə > ∅ / al_ (''al kal pal sal val''); ''-a'' still attested in 17th century
** possibly also *ə > ∅ / {j w ŋ}_ ? (*čoŋ *toŋ *vej)
** unclear: *marja > *maŕ, *ora(wa) > *ur
* *d₂ > *ľ / #_, _C (only ''ľom~lajmä'', *śulgə)
* Palatalization redistribution
* Palatalization redistribution
** *t *d *n *l *r (but not *s!) *ť *ď *ń *ŕ *ĺ before/after front vowels/*j
** *t *d *n *l *r (but not *s/*z!) > *ť *ď *ń *ŕ *ľ before/after front vowels or *j
** *ń *n initially before back vowels (the *n/*ń contrast is completely lost initially)
** *ń > *n initially before back vowels (the *n/*ń contrast is completely lost initially)
** Palatalization occurs also in some back-vocalic *i-stem verbs, such as *kuuli- *kuĺə- "to hear"
** if *soďka > *suľgə, then also here further *ľ > *l
** Non-alveolar consonants are also palatalized before front vowels, but this remains allophonic.
** Palatalization occurs also in all back-vocalic originally *ə-stem verbs (*koľgə- *moľə- *poŕə- *sańďə- *uľə-, possibly *pańə- if ~ F. *pane- rather than *paina-), perhaps analogy from the preterite stem? (*kolgə-j- > *kolgi- > *koľgi- etc.)
* *j *w ∅ /C_, *w *v elsewhere
*** Counterfed by *a-ə > *o-a: cf. *kalə- > *kola- > *kulə-. (But, regardless, *uľə-? Cf F *olë-)
*** Also *-x- > *-j- may fall under this (however: *lukə- > *lovə-)
** Also non-alveolar consonants are palatalized before front vowels, but this remains allophonic.
* *j *w > ∅ / C_, *w > *v elsewhere
** This probably phonemicizes *ŕ (*maŕ *uŕə); in theory also *ľ, but no good examples exist.
** Obstruent + *w remains voiceless (*kaswa- > *kasə-, *latwa > *latə, *wiśwɜ > *veśə)
** Possibly also: *j > ∅ / F_# (i.e. nominals only: *ki *pi *si(j) *ve). Counterfed by *ŋ > ''j'', possibly also *k > *g > *j? (*vi(j))
** No good evidence exists on retention of *-w / B_#; only *pov ~ alleged Est. dial. ''põv'', source??
* Medial lenition, round 2 (intervocalic)
* Medial lenition, round 2 (intervocalic)
** *b *v
** *b > *v; also r_V (*karvə *ku/orva- *tərva *u/eŕva)
** *g *v/*j (per vowel backness)
** *g > *v/*j (per vowel backness); possibly late, since *ŋ > ''v ~ j'' by similar conditioning in most dialects is post-PMo.
* But: *ð, *ðʲ → *d
* But: *d₁, *d₂ > *d/*ď
* *kt *pt *vt
** This and the last may indicate that common Mordvinic still had */ð ɣ/ (similar to older Mari) and /d g/ is recent Russian influence (similar to westernmost Finnish, Votic, newer Mari, possibly Veps).
* *kt *pt > *ft; *ps *pś > fs fś (*lafś *lofsa)
* *k > *t / C_# (in the imperativ)
[…TBC…]
[…TBC…]


==Development to the individual languages==
==Development to the individual languages==
Vowels:
'''Vowels''':
* Erzya:
* Erzya:
** *ä e
** *ä > e
** *a o / _j. (''ojdor<!-- < *aja-?! --> ojmams ojme voj kojme'', perhaps ''ĺom'' ~ Mk ''lajmä'', ''bojar nojabŕa vojna'' ~ Mk ''bajar najabŕä vajna'' (< Ru боярин ноябрь война); but ''ajge- g/kajge- tajmaza'', ''g/kajťan-'' < Ru гайтан.)
** Dialectally, *e > ä (yet *ä always > e!) (Gor. Ba. Hl. Nask. Kažl.)
** in later syllables e ə e/o per harmony
** *a > o / _j. (''ojdor<!-- < *aja-?! --> ojmams ojme voj kojme''; perhaps ''ľom'' ~ Mk ''lajmä''; ''bojar nojabŕa vojna'' ~ Mk ''bajar najabŕä vajna'' (< Ru боярин ноябрь война); but ''ajge- g/kajge- tajmaza'', ''g/kajťan-'' < Ru гайтан.)
** in later syllables e ə > Će/Co (i.e. not strictly "vowel harmony"); some exceptions (''piźol'')
** in Tambov Oblast (Kad. Kal. Kažl. Šir.), *u > *vi / _Ć (''viľ- viŕaš viŕna- viśkä viźiŕ'')
**: — does this indicate *u > *ü > *vi, and similar late retention PU *ü > *ö > *ve?!
* Mokša:
* Mokša:
** *ə → ä/a / _# per harmony; ä also after palatals, a after nonpalatal *s/*z
** *ə is split as allophonic [ə̟] ~ [ə̠], similar to Erzya
** *əj *əw i u
*** /ə/ [ə̠] also between a (phonemic) nonpalatal and a palatal (at least ''ćipəŕ kavəŕ kopəŕ mokəŕ odgəŕ šäxəŕ tokəŕ'', cases with other /Cʲ/ TBA) — but contrast ''kevəŕ'' with [ə̟]?
** *i *u ə / initial pretonic
**** later than *ŋ > j/v: ''šej''[ə̠]''ŕ'' < *šeŋəŕ
A possible final *-ə/-ä contrast does not seem reconstructible (will write *-ɜ), but should medially remain in Mk.
** *ə > ä/a / _# per harmony; ä also after palatals, a after nonpalatal *s/*z (or other alveolars) — i.e. [ə̠] > a, [ə̟] > ä
** *əj *əw (from *əɣ *əŋ) > i u
** *i *u > ə / initial pretonic
** in P Pš, *e > ä / {v k}_ŕ (''käŕ käŕ- käŕč käŕämäť väŕ väŕəďə-'') - maybe generalizable as peripheral + ''ŕ'', no counterexamples with ''m- p-''
A possible final *-ə/-ä contrast does not seem reconstructible (will write *-ɜ), but should medially remain in Mk. (only inherited example: ''śäjäŕ'').


Consonants:
'''Consonants''':
* Erzya: *š č / #_
* Erzya:
** > č / #_ (dialectal)
** *j > ∅ / _e (fed by *ä-raising; *je- previously didn't exist)
** *nd > n / 3rd+ syllable
** *ft > /vt/ = [wt] in "mainstream" dialects (Mar. NSurk. Kozl. VVr. Jeg.) and literary Erzya
*** Widely retained (Atr. Večk. Bug. Petr. Šokša; Kad. Kal.; Gor. Ba. Hl. Nask. Kažl.; SŠant. Is.?)
*** Does not go with general devoicing, e.g. /vkst/ typically remains (however, Ba. ''kuluv'' : pl. ''kuluft'')
* Mokša:
* Mokša:
** *k ∅ / F_š (''jäšä käšə- ĺeš meš päšä ťišä äšťəŕ'' - but: ''šäkši''), also sometimes #_šC (before nonpalatals? ''šna šta'', but ''kšńi kšńit'')
** ? *č > š / #_ (if not already in Proto-Mordv.)
** Devoicing: m n r l j v p t r̥ l̥ ç f / _{p t c č k}. Dialectally ç ɕ.
*** initial ''č-'' occurs in recent loans (''čavka'' ← Tat.), onomatopoeia / ideophones (''čaka-'', ''čoka-'' 'to hit', ''čof'' 'whistle', ''čofaďə-'' 'to push/swat away', ''čura-'' 'to piss', ''čəka'' 'game pin'), ? (''čińas čiva čivgä čopaftə-''; ''ču/əŕkä'' < ? *čŕka)
** *s ś / _F
** *k > ∅ / F_š (''jäšä käšə- ľeš meš päšä ťišä äšťəŕ'' - but: ''šäkši''), also sometimes #_šC (before nonpalatals? ''šna šta'', but ''kšńi kšńit'')
** n ń / #_Vŕ (''ńuŕa- ńuŕgə- ńuŕgamə-'') (check other palatals?)
** Devoicing: m n r l j v > p t r̥ l̥ ç f / _{p t c č k}. Dialectally ç > ɕ.
* *ŋ j/v per harmony, except dialectally in Erzya
** *s > ś / _F
A development *pt → *ft → Erzya vt (sim. for *kt) may make better sense than a common voiced stage. (Coda /v/ is generally realized as [w].)
** n > ń / #_Vŕ (''ńuŕa- ńuŕgə- ńuŕgamə-'') (check other palatals?)
* *ŋ > j/v per vowel backness, except dialectally in Erzya


==On the correspondence PU *m /v/==
'''Analogies & such'''
* n-l metathesis:
** Erzya ''keŋgeľems'', MkSučk. MkUr. ''käŋgəľəms'' ~ Moksha ''käľgəťńəms'' 'to lie'
** Erzya ''keńďal'' ~ Moksha (P Pš) ''kelda'' 'bug, bedbug'
* Erzya ''vaľgej'' ~ ErVečk. SSant. ''vajgeľ'', Moksha ''vajgäľ'' 'voice': is this *vaj_käľ > *vajgäľ from *käľ 'tongue', with analogy from ''val'' 'word' in most of Erzya; or vice versa: *vaľgəj from 'word', with analogy from 'tongue' in Moksha + Večk. SSant.?
 
===Dialect table===
 
{| class="wikitable"
! colspan="3" rowspan="3"| Vocalism →<br/>Consonantism ↓
! colspan="2"| Erzya !! colspan="4"| Moksha
|-
! rowspan="2"| *e *ä<br/> > /ä e/
! rowspan="2" colspan="2"| *e *ä<br/> > /e/
! colspan="2"| *e *ä ≡ !! rowspan="2"| *e *ä<br/> > /i e/
|-
! !! *e > /ä/ / _ŕ
|-
! *ŋ ≡ / _# !! !!
| || Atrať (Atr.) ||
|-
! *ŋ > j/v !! !!
| || Literary
| || Literary || P. Pš.
|-
! *ŋ > v !! !!
|||
|}
 
==On the correspondence PU *m > /v/==


After PU *u
After PU *u
* *lumi "sno" *loŋ (!)
* *lumə "sno" > *loŋ (!)
* *kumV "cloud" *kovol
* *kumV "cloud" > *kovol


Suffix exchange?
Suffix exchange?
* *śüðämi "hart" *śeďeŋ
* *śüðäm(ə) "heart" > *śeďeŋ


Versus BF *-u
Versus BF *-u
* *śëxmi(-w?) *śëëmu *śav (cf. BF *soomu)
* *śëmə(-w?) > *śëëmu > *śav (cf. BF *soomu)
* ''*suv'' "fog" ~ BF *sumu ~ S. *somō
* ''*suv'' "fog" ~ BF *sumu ~ S. *somō
* *ĺevəš "lime bast" ~ BF *lehmus ~ Ma. ''*nəməštə''
* *ľevəš "lime bast" ~ BF *lehmus ~ Ma. ''*nəməštə''


Limited comparanda
Limited comparanda
* Er. ''jav'' "joint" ~ BF *jama ~ S *jōmē
* <s>Er. ''jav'' "joint" ~ BF *jama ~ S *jōmē</s> (better ~ ''javoms'' < *jëka-)
* ''*šov'' "butt of knife" ~ BF *hamara ~ S *ši/ëmērē ← Gmc *hamaraz
* ''*šov'' "butt of knife" ~ BF *hamara ~ S *ši/ëmērē ← Gmc *hamaraz
* ''*šovar'' "mortar" ~ BF *huumar ~ Ma. *šuer
* ''*šovar'' "mortar" ~ BF *huumar ~ Ma. *šuer
* *luv "gap" ~ FS *loma ~ Ma. *lu ~ B *loma
* *toŋ (!) "kernel" ~ F. ''tuma ~ tuuma'' ~ E. ''tuum'' ~ Me. ''tum'' ~ Hi. ''toŋ''
* *toŋ (!) "kernel" ~ F. ''tuma ~ tuuma'' ~ E. ''tuum'' ~ Me. ''tum'' ~ Hi. ''toŋ''
* *kav "granary, barn" ~ K. ''kum'' "loft"
* *kav "granary, barn" ~ K. ''kum'' "loft"
(*luv "gap" = Ma. *lu better ~ F *lovi than *loma)


But not in:
But not in:
* Er. ''kumoka'' "fever" ~ BF *kuuma "hot"
* <s>Er. ''kumoka'' "fever" ~ BF *kuuma "hot"</s> (better ← Ru.)
* *lamə "many" ~ BF *laama
* *lamə "many" ~ BF *laama
* *šamə "shape" ~ BF *haamo
* *šamə "shape" ~ BF *haamo
* *kuma *koma, *juma- ''*jumi-'', *tOmmV → *tumə
* *kuma > *koma, *juma- > ''*jumi-'', *tammə > *tumə
* *numələ *śumərdə- ''umaŕ'' ''*komər'' Er. ''umok''
* *numələ *śumərdə- ''umaŕ'' ''*komər'' Er. ''umok''
* *ĺem *kämə
* *ľem *kämə
* *ĺajmə *ĺäm *śimə-
* #ľajmə *ľäm *śimə-


Also *p ~ Mari *m
Also *p ~ Mari *m
* *karvə "fly" ~ BF *kärpä-, Ma. #ka/arme
* *karvə "fly" ~ BF *kärpä-, Ma. #ka/arme
cf. Hungarian:
*kumi → ''hava-, hó''


==*kt notes==
==*kt notes==
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* ńäfťə- "näyttää", vifťə- "johdattaa" (*vêx-ta-), ĺifťə- "paeta" ← ĺijə- "lentää" (eikä ← *läkti-?)
* ńäfťə- "näyttää", vifťə- "johdattaa" (*vêx-ta-), ĺifťə- "paeta" ← ĺijə- "lentää" (eikä ← *läkti-?)


[[Category: Natlangs]]
{{Natlangs}}

Latest revision as of 18:10, 10 March 2018

Some reconstruction notes.

Development from Proto-Uralic

Changes shared with Samic in gray, those also shared with Finnic in green, and those with even wider distribution in orange.

  • *V > *Vː / _x (both preconsonantal and prevocalic!)
  • *a > *o / _C*ə (except _Ć, _x)
  • *ë > *a
  • *ü > *i, by default
    • initially *wi- (*ük- > *vej-, *(w)ülä- > *veľ-; any others??)
    • *ü > *u / _velar (*mok- *pokəń *poŋə *śokś); counterfed by the previous. NB also *miŋä > *meŋ- > mej-!
  • Vowel height switch:
    1. *i *u > *ɪ *ʊ
    2. *Vː > *V
    3. *e *o > *i *u (assuming a long stage not required)
    4. *ɪ *ʊ > *e *o
    • *o remains before *ŋ however (*čov *joŋs *lokśəj *oŋ poŋgo/pov *sova-, possibly *poŋa ~ Es põv, or poŋgo/povə ~ Es pooma (depending on if *uŋa > BF *oo))
    • Possibly including: *ɪː *ʊː > *iː *uː > *i *u (*wêxə- > *vij-)
    • Last two stages probably postdate vowel reduction (given loanwords like *kerda > *kirda)
  • Stress shifts from *e / *o to a later-syllable *ä / *a
  • *mt > *nt
  • *ć > *ś (if PU *ć even existed; /ć/ is found in Mk oćä, seems to be secondary; lenition may be later than voicing: *eś ~ itse, *śiśəm ~ seitsen, )
  • Medial lenition, round 1 (all this when intervocalic or prenasal)
    • *pp *tt *čč *kk > *p *t *č *k (clear examples exist only for *pp though!)
    • *p *t *k > *b *d *g
    • *s *š *ś *x > *z *ž *ź *j
    • *č, however, remains strictly unvoiced
  • *nź > ź? (Er. saźi- ~ P. *suudź-)
  • *rs *šn > š (*kürsä *warsa *wešnä > *kši *vašə *višɜ)
    • or *ər > š? (Ir. *kārt → *kšńi, but cf. Av. *rt > <š>)
  • Word-final *ə > ∅ after a single consonant, or peripheral + sibilant (*joŋs *käťks *lafś *mekš *piks *soks *sokś *suks, ? *vaks)
    • after this, unstress'd *ä *a > *ə too
    • secondarily *ə > ∅ / al_ (al kal pal sal val); -a still attested in 17th century
    • possibly also *ə > ∅ / {j w ŋ}_ ? (*čoŋ *toŋ *vej)
    • unclear: *marja > *maŕ, *ora(wa) > *ur
  • *d₂ > *ľ / #_, _C (only ľom~lajmä, *śulgə)
  • Palatalization redistribution
    • *t *d *n *l *r (but not *s/*z!) > *ť *ď *ń *ŕ *ľ before/after front vowels or *j
    • *ń > *n initially before back vowels (the *n/*ń contrast is completely lost initially)
    • if *soďka > *suľgə, then also here further *ľ > *l
    • Palatalization occurs also in all back-vocalic originally *ə-stem verbs (*koľgə- *moľə- *poŕə- *sańďə- *uľə-, possibly *pańə- if ~ F. *pane- rather than *paina-), perhaps analogy from the preterite stem? (*kolgə-j- > *kolgi- > *koľgi- etc.)
      • Counterfed by *a-ə > *o-a: cf. *kalə- > *kola- > *kulə-. (But, regardless, *uľə-? Cf F *olë-)
      • Also *-x- > *-j- may fall under this (however: *lukə- > *lovə-)
    • Also non-alveolar consonants are palatalized before front vowels, but this remains allophonic.
  • *j *w > ∅ / C_, *w > *v elsewhere
    • This probably phonemicizes *ŕ (*maŕ *uŕə); in theory also *ľ, but no good examples exist.
    • Obstruent + *w remains voiceless (*kaswa- > *kasə-, *latwa > *latə, *wiśwɜ > *veśə)
    • Possibly also: *j > ∅ / F_# (i.e. nominals only: *ki *pi *si(j) *ve). Counterfed by *ŋ > j, possibly also *k > *g > *j? (*vi(j))
    • No good evidence exists on retention of *-w / B_#; only *pov ~ alleged Est. dial. põv, source??
  • Medial lenition, round 2 (intervocalic)
    • *b > *v; also r_V (*karvə *ku/orva- *tərva *u/eŕva)
    • *g > *v/*j (per vowel backness); possibly late, since *ŋ > v ~ j by similar conditioning in most dialects is post-PMo.
  • But: *d₁, *d₂ > *d/*ď
    • This and the last may indicate that common Mordvinic still had */ð ɣ/ (similar to older Mari) and /d g/ is recent Russian influence (similar to westernmost Finnish, Votic, newer Mari, possibly Veps).
  • *kt *pt > *ft; *ps *pś > fs fś (*lafś *lofsa)
  • *k > *t / C_# (in the imperativ)

[…TBC…]

Development to the individual languages

Vowels:

  • Erzya:
    • *ä > e
    • Dialectally, *e > ä (yet *ä always > e!) (Gor. Ba. Hl. Nask. Kažl.)
    • *a > o / _j. (ojdor ojmams ojme voj kojme; perhaps ľom ~ Mk lajmä; bojar nojabŕa vojna ~ Mk bajar najabŕä vajna (< Ru боярин ноябрь война); but ajge- g/kajge- tajmaza, g/kajťan- < Ru гайтан.)
    • in later syllables e ə > Će/Co (i.e. not strictly "vowel harmony"); some exceptions (piźol)
    • in Tambov Oblast (Kad. Kal. Kažl. Šir.), *u > *vi / _Ć (viľ- viŕaš viŕna- viśkä viźiŕ)
      — does this indicate *u > *ü > *vi, and similar late retention PU *ü > *ö > *ve?!
  • Mokša:
    • *ə is split as allophonic [ə̟] ~ [ə̠], similar to Erzya
      • /ə/ → [ə̠] also between a (phonemic) nonpalatal and a palatal (at least ćipəŕ kavəŕ kopəŕ mokəŕ odgəŕ šäxəŕ tokəŕ, cases with other /Cʲ/ TBA) — but contrast kevəŕ with [ə̟]?
        • later than *ŋ > j/v: šej[ə̠]ŕ < *šeŋəŕ
    • *ə > ä/a / _# per harmony; ä also after palatals, a after nonpalatal *s/*z (or other alveolars) — i.e. [ə̠] > a, [ə̟] > ä
    • *əj *əw (from *əɣ *əŋ) > i u
    • *i *u > ə / initial pretonic
    • in P Pš, *e > ä / {v k}_ŕ (käŕ käŕ- käŕč käŕämäť väŕ väŕəďə-) - maybe generalizable as peripheral + ŕ, no counterexamples with m- p-

A possible final *-ə/-ä contrast does not seem reconstructible (will write *-ɜ), but should medially remain in Mk. (only inherited example: śäjäŕ).

Consonants:

  • Erzya:
    • *š > č / #_ (dialectal)
    • *j > ∅ / _e (fed by *ä-raising; *je- previously didn't exist)
    • *nd > n / 3rd+ syllable
    • *ft > /vt/ = [wt] in "mainstream" dialects (Mar. NSurk. Kozl. VVr. Jeg.) and literary Erzya
      • Widely retained (Atr. Večk. Bug. Petr. Šokša; Kad. Kal.; Gor. Ba. Hl. Nask. Kažl.; SŠant. Is.?)
      • Does not go with general devoicing, e.g. /vkst/ typically remains (however, Ba. kuluv : pl. kuluft)
  • Mokša:
    • ? *č > š / #_ (if not already in Proto-Mordv.)
      • initial č- occurs in recent loans (čavka ← Tat.), onomatopoeia / ideophones (čaka-, čoka- 'to hit', čof 'whistle', čofaďə- 'to push/swat away', čura- 'to piss', čəka 'game pin'), ? (čińas čiva čivgä čopaftə-; ču/əŕkä < ? *čŕka)
    • *k > ∅ / F_š (jäšä käšə- ľeš meš päšä ťišä äšťəŕ - but: šäkši), also sometimes #_šC (before nonpalatals? šna šta, but kšńi kšńit)
    • Devoicing: m n r l j v > p t r̥ l̥ ç f / _{p t c č k}. Dialectally ç > ɕ.
    • *s > ś / _F
    • n > ń / #_Vŕ (ńuŕa- ńuŕgə- ńuŕgamə-) (check other palatals?)
  • *ŋ > j/v per vowel backness, except dialectally in Erzya

Analogies & such

  • n-l metathesis:
    • Erzya keŋgeľems, MkSučk. MkUr. käŋgəľəms ~ Moksha käľgəťńəms 'to lie'
    • Erzya keńďal ~ Moksha (P Pš) kelda 'bug, bedbug'
  • Erzya vaľgej ~ ErVečk. SSant. vajgeľ, Moksha vajgäľ 'voice': is this *vaj_käľ > *vajgäľ from *käľ 'tongue', with analogy from val 'word' in most of Erzya; or vice versa: *vaľgəj from 'word', with analogy from 'tongue' in Moksha + Večk. SSant.?

Dialect table

Vocalism →
Consonantism ↓
Erzya Moksha
*e *ä
> /ä e/
*e *ä
> /e/
*e *ä ≡ *e *ä
> /i e/
*e > /ä/ / _ŕ
*ŋ ≡ / _# Atrať (Atr.)
*ŋ > j/v Literary Literary P. Pš.
*ŋ > v

On the correspondence PU *m > /v/

After PU *u

  • *lumə "sno" > *loŋ (!)
  • *kumV "cloud" > *kovol

Suffix exchange?

  • *śüðäm(ə) "heart" > *śeďeŋ

Versus BF *-u

  • *śëmə(-w?) > *śëëmu > *śav (cf. BF *soomu)
  • *suv "fog" ~ BF *sumu ~ S. *somō
  • *ľevəš "lime bast" ~ BF *lehmus ~ Ma. *nəməštə

Limited comparanda

  • Er. jav "joint" ~ BF *jama ~ S *jōmē (better ~ javoms < *jëka-)
  • *šov "butt of knife" ~ BF *hamara ~ S *ši/ëmērē ← Gmc *hamaraz
  • *šovar "mortar" ~ BF *huumar ~ Ma. *šuer
  • *toŋ (!) "kernel" ~ F. tuma ~ tuuma ~ E. tuum ~ Me. tum ~ Hi. toŋ
  • *kav "granary, barn" ~ K. kum "loft"

(*luv "gap" = Ma. *lu better ~ F *lovi than *loma)

But not in:

  • Er. kumoka "fever" ~ BF *kuuma "hot" (better ← Ru.)
  • *lamə "many" ~ BF *laama
  • *šamə "shape" ~ BF *haamo
  • *kuma > *koma, *juma- > *jumi-, *tammə > *tumə
  • *numələ *śumərdə- umaŕ *komər Er. umok
  • *ľem *kämə
  • #ľajmə *ľäm *śimə-

Also *p ~ Mari *m

  • *karvə "fly" ~ BF *kärpä-, Ma. #ka/arme

*kt notes

Ravila '33:

  • Mk ĺiç/ɕťə- (Selišče, Pšenevo) ~ ĺifťə- "hervornehmen/-ziehen/-quellen/-sprudeln" (kausatiivi?)
  • Mk ĺiçťəma (Gorodišče) "lähde"
  • Mk śeɕťə- (Pš.) ~ Er. sevťnə- "sormeilla"
  • Mk ťiçťəďə- (Čembar) ~ ťifťəďə- (Sel.) "ochutitjsja"
  • ńäfťə- "näyttää", vifťə- "johdattaa" (*vêx-ta-), ĺifťə- "paeta" ← ĺijə- "lentää" (eikä ← *läkti-?)
This article is one of quite a few pages about Natlangs.

Indo-european natlangs:

Balto-Slavic Natlangs: Czech * Russian
Celtic Natlangs: Revived Middle Cornish * Pictish
Germanic Natlangs:
North Germanic Natlangs: Norwegian
West Germanic Natlangs: Anglo-Saxon * Dutch * English (Old English * Middle English * Modern English * Scots) * German (High German * Low German)
Indo-Iranian Natlangs: Pahlavi
Italic Natlangs: French * Italian * Latin * Spanish
Debated: Cimmerian

Uralic Natlangs: Finnish * Khanty * Mansi * Mordvinic * Proto-Uralic
Altaic (controversial): Japanese
Sino-Tibetan Natlangs:
Uto-Aztecan Natlangs: Nahuatl

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Isolate Natlangs: Basque * *
Hypothetical/debated Natlangs and Natlang families: Danubian * Europic (obsolete)