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This is where we translate the [[Conlang Relay LCC4|LCC4 relay]] torch from English to Naeso.
This is the [[Naeso]] torch of [[LCC4 Relay]]'s Ring B.
 
==English text==
 
The Evil Goat
 
#A beautiful woman is riding an elephant over a bridge.
#The goat stopped running.
#The goat said, “Lady! You are very beautiful! Marry me!”
#The woman said, “You ask me to marry you? No! You do not know my name!”
#The goat said, “Your name? I don't ask you to say the name!
#I ask you to marry me, and you said 'no'!”
#The woman said, “I didn't say that!”
#and cut the goat's head off its body.
#The head on the bridge said “Does this really mean that you say ‘yes’?”
 
==Translation==
 
Let's go line by line here.
 
===Title===
'''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#goat|Goat]]''' '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#evil|Evil]]'''
 
===1===
Mina'am ku ona '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#beautiful|beautiful]]''' '''''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#instrumental preposition|instrumental]]''''' tampfy so '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#bridge|bridge]]'''.
 
*The Vašt î Kûvik text uses a progressive aspect particle in this sentence, so "-am" is pretty much required here. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===2===
'''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to run|Run]]'''-ja(zo) ku '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#goat|goat]]'''.
 
*How do we translate the auxiliary verb "stop" into Naeso? We could simply use the perfective aspect, or combine it with the inceptive aspect, or maybe someone has a better idea? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===3===
Jia ku '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#goat|goat]]''' pan “Ona! '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#beautiful|Beautiful]]''' '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#very|very]]''' pan tha! '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to marry|Marry]]'''-gy ku tha pan si!”
 
*Here, there are two things that have not yet been decided: How direct speech is indicated (here I simply used the focal preposition), and how a copula is formed (here I made the adjective into a verb like in [[Naeso/Sentences#Sifi benh bu dakai.|sifi benh bu dakai]], which I had voted against earlier but now I think it it is an elegant solution). Feel free to suggest alternatives. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===4===
==Bendiza Tthuy==
Jia ku ona pan “'''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to ask|Ask]]'''-li/tu ku pae pan bam '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to marry|marry]]''' ku si pan pae? '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|No]]'''! '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to know|Know]]'''-'''''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#negative|negative]]''''' ku pae pan '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#name|name]]''' sibi!”


* Why do we have two interrogative mood suffixes? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
* mina'am ku ona jensi mym tampfy fao bvya.
* I suppose we'll find outin due time, right? 'Let usage define meaning'. There are, after all, many ways to ask a question. -[[User:Bornfor|BF]]
* minaja tsia ku bendiza.
* jia ku bendiza pan “ona! jensisie bu tha! kaminhtogy ku tha pan si!”.
* jia ku ona pan “nugoli ku pae pan bam kaminhto ku si pan pae? ni! baumni ku pae pan teono sibi!”.
* jia ku bendiza pan “teono thabi? nugoni ku si pan bam jia ku tha pan teono!
* nugo ku si pan bam kaminhto ku tha pan si. jia ku tha pan ‘ni!’!”.
* jia ku ona pan “jiani ku si pan inna!”.
* tsam pan bveo bendizabi kim kemga.
* jia ku bveo so bvya pan “jiatsun ku tha pan ‘ae!’?”.


===5===
==Vocabulary==
Jia ku '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#goat|goat]]''' pan “'''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#name|Name]]''' thabi? '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to ask|Ask]]'''-'''''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#negative|negative]]''''' ku si pan bam jia ku tha pan '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#name|name]]'''!


* I think it makes sense if the goat refers to the woman using "tha" since he's asking her to marry him. [[User:Fenhl|FH]]
* ae — yes
* -am — progressive aspect
* bam — preposition for subordinate clauses
* baum — to know
* bendiza — goat
* -bi — genitive
* bu — neutral agent preposition
* bveo — head
* bvya — bridge, stairs
* fao — across, through
* -gy — imperative mood
* inna — that
* ja — cessative/perfective aspect
* jensi — beautiful
* jia — to say
* kaminhto — to marry
* kemga — body
* kim — out of, away from
* ku — agent preposition
* -li — interrogative mood
* mina — to go
* mym — instrumental preposition
* ni — no
* -ni — negative
* nugo — to ask someone to (bam) do something
* ona — woman
* pae — you (singular, addressing someone who recently joined the conversation)
* pan — focus preposition
* si — I, me
* -sie — very
* so — locative preposition
* tampfy — elephant
* teono — name
* tha — you (singular, addressing someone who has been part of the conversation for a while)
* tsam — to cut
* tsia — fast
* tsun — intention mood
* tthuy evil


===6===
==Grammar==
'''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to ask|Ask]]''' ku si pan bam '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#marry|marry]]''' ku tha pan si, bvi jia ku tha pan '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|no]]'''!”


===7===
* All Naeso sentences start with the verb phrase.
Jia ku ona pan “Jia-'''''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#negative|negative]]''''' ku si pan inna!”
* After the verb phrase, you may list one or more prepositional phrases. The prepositions denote the grammatical role of the noun in the sentence.
* Adjectives follow the noun.
* Mood and aspect are marked using suffixes on the verb.
* Vowel sequences like "aa" are broken by liaison if they are formed at morpheme boundaries. The liaison consonant is a glottal stop, written as an apostrophe.
* The focus preposition introduces direct speech.
* Comparison is marked using suffixes on adjectives.
* A noun with a genitive suffix is treated like an adjective.


===8===
==The Evil Goat==
bvi '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#cut|cut]]''' pan '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#head|head]]''' '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#goat|goat]]'''-si kim '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#body|body]]''' kesi.


===9===
* A beautiful woman is riding an elephant over a bridge.
Jia ku '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#head|head]]''' so '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#bridge|bridge]]''' pan “Jia-'''''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#intention|intention]]''''' ku tha pan '''[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#yes|yes]]'''?”
* The goat stopped running.
* The goat said, “Lady! You are very beautiful! Marry me!”
* The woman said, “You ask me to marry you? No! You do not know my name!”
* The goat said, “Your name? I don't ask you to say the name!
* I ask you to marry me, and you said 'no'!”
* The woman said, “I didn't say that!”
* and cut the goat's head off its body.
* The head on the bridge said “Does this really mean that you say ‘yes’?”


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Bendiza Tthuy

  • mina'am ku ona jensi mym tampfy fao bvya.
  • minaja tsia ku bendiza.
  • jia ku bendiza pan “ona! jensisie bu tha! kaminhtogy ku tha pan si!”.
  • jia ku ona pan “nugoli ku pae pan bam kaminhto ku si pan pae? ni! baumni ku pae pan teono sibi!”.
  • jia ku bendiza pan “teono thabi? nugoni ku si pan bam jia ku tha pan teono!
  • nugo ku si pan bam kaminhto ku tha pan si. jia ku tha pan ‘ni!’!”.
  • jia ku ona pan “jiani ku si pan inna!”.
  • tsam pan bveo bendizabi kim kemga.
  • jia ku bveo so bvya pan “jiatsun ku tha pan ‘ae!’?”.

Vocabulary

  • ae — yes
  • -am — progressive aspect
  • bam — preposition for subordinate clauses
  • baum — to know
  • bendiza — goat
  • -bi — genitive
  • bu — neutral agent preposition
  • bveo — head
  • bvya — bridge, stairs
  • fao — across, through
  • -gy — imperative mood
  • inna — that
  • ja — cessative/perfective aspect
  • jensi — beautiful
  • jia — to say
  • kaminhto — to marry
  • kemga — body
  • kim — out of, away from
  • ku — agent preposition
  • -li — interrogative mood
  • mina — to go
  • mym — instrumental preposition
  • ni — no
  • -ni — negative
  • nugo — to ask someone to (bam) do something
  • ona — woman
  • pae — you (singular, addressing someone who recently joined the conversation)
  • pan — focus preposition
  • si — I, me
  • -sie — very
  • so — locative preposition
  • tampfy — elephant
  • teono — name
  • tha — you (singular, addressing someone who has been part of the conversation for a while)
  • tsam — to cut
  • tsia — fast
  • tsun — intention mood
  • tthuy — evil

Grammar

  • All Naeso sentences start with the verb phrase.
  • After the verb phrase, you may list one or more prepositional phrases. The prepositions denote the grammatical role of the noun in the sentence.
  • Adjectives follow the noun.
  • Mood and aspect are marked using suffixes on the verb.
  • Vowel sequences like "aa" are broken by liaison if they are formed at morpheme boundaries. The liaison consonant is a glottal stop, written as an apostrophe.
  • The focus preposition introduces direct speech.
  • Comparison is marked using suffixes on adjectives.
  • A noun with a genitive suffix is treated like an adjective.

The Evil Goat

  • A beautiful woman is riding an elephant over a bridge.
  • The goat stopped running.
  • The goat said, “Lady! You are very beautiful! Marry me!”
  • The woman said, “You ask me to marry you? No! You do not know my name!”
  • The goat said, “Your name? I don't ask you to say the name!
  • I ask you to marry me, and you said 'no'!”
  • The woman said, “I didn't say that!”
  • and cut the goat's head off its body.
  • The head on the bridge said “Does this really mean that you say ‘yes’?”
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