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-->''List all unapproved words here'' (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) ''until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!''
List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!
 
==Contested words==


==Proposed grammatical particles==
==Proposed grammatical particles==


===present tense===  
===Definiteness===
{{V|-su|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y|JH|n|ES|y}}
*(Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
*(Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
**TODO move this discussion to [[Naeso/Grammar|Grammar]] page and add a vote rubric for it
*See the [[Naeso/Sentences|Sentences]] page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.


===for===
See also [[Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions]]
* for, with the intent of, to <verb>
* This can be used as a normal preposition (e.g. tau gelan, for water) or like [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#B|bam]] to start a subordinate clause (e.g. To bake <food>, you need <ingredients> = <need> ku y pan <ingredients> tau <bake> va <food>)
{{V|tau|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===instrumental preposition===
{{V|the coda becomes '''-l''' for definite prepositions|date=2011-6-27|FH|y|BF|y|JH|y}}
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
 
* e.g. ''ku'' becomes ''kul'', ''pan'' becomes ''pal''. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*: It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. [[User:MilyAMD|MM]]


==Proposed content words==
==Proposed content words==


===balloon, dirigible===
==Additional meanings==
{{V|kunoypavi|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===to fly===
If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.
{{V|pavi|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|y}}


===to want===
''currently empty''
{{V|sidu|date=2011-4-19|BF|n|JH|n|FH|n|RJ|n}}
*I suggest using a desiderative mood affix like bornfor's proposed "-im" with the main verb, rather than a dedicated "want" verb. To say you want a thing rather than want to perform an action, put the "-im" suffix on an "acquire" or "possess" or "eat" or "drink" etc. verb. —JH
**This suffix is already voted in, so I second this —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===public, common, non-private, objective===
==Suggestion list==
{{V|pimum|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===private, subjective, idiosyncratic===
If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.
{{V|teinen|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
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===public transportation vehicle===
Please do not vote below! We only vote on words which have a meaning associated with them.
*bus, train, subway, …
{{V|kunoy pimum|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|y|RJ|n|BF|y}}


{{V|kunoy nhu|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y|JH|n}}
- - - - -->
*pulthy
*jajue
*-su
*nhanhnanh
*padute


===public transportation station===
==Accepted Words==
*train station, bus station, …
{{V|kunoypimum|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|n|RJ|n|BF|n}}
{{V|kyba kunoypimumbi|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|RJ|n|BF|y}}
 
===to give birth===
*note that ''to be born'' can easily be formed with something like ''Ete va &lt;name&gt;''. See also [[Naeso/Sentences]].
{{V|ete|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
 
===plant===
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|thana|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y}}
 
===leaf===
{{V|anho|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y}}
 
===Earth===
{{V|naesa|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y}}
*I assume you mean the material, since we already have a [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#A|word]] for the planet. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:17, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
*Yes, of course. -[[User:Bornfor|BF]]
 
===goodbye===
{{V|jani|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|n}}
*I am proposing this because imo there is too much of a gap between [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#K|kal]] and [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#L|luena]]. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 05:34, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
* We have Luena already. Propose a different connotation, something different and I reconsider.
* The problem I see with not having this word is that if you do not see someone for 1 to 3 days, it is too long a timespan for saying kal, but too short for luena. You do not say farewell or sayonara to someone you'll be seeing again tomorrow. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
** As for a different connotation, how about something like "see you tomorrow"?


===to consume===
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.
*eat, drink, etc (not read, buy, etc)
{{V|ionh|date=2011-4-20|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}


===family===
''currently empty''
{{V|jane|date=2011-4-23|BF|y|RJ|y|FH|y}}
 
===child===
{{V|kemsu|date=2011-4-23|BF|y|RJ|y|FH|y}}
*This could mean 'offspring' as well.  I don't envision it as being restricted to one species (ie, homo sapiens).-[[User:Bornfor|Bornfor]] 17:04 23 Apr 2011 (EST)
 
===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
 
===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
 
===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
 
===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
 
==Meta-Naeso==
(words about working on Naeso)
 
===to start===
{{V|kinha|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to vote===
{{V|sunhiti|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to support a position, to agree with, to vote for===
{{V|dzala|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to disagree with, to vote against===
{{V|fambu|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to propose===
{{V|eljy|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to attract someone's attention===
{{V|pinh|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===mythos===
{{V|lilaifu|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
*Real Life, get it. ~RJ
 
==logic==


===position===
===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}
 
E.g., for each of those possible positions we would express "red and blue" as:
* '''prefix:''' bvi dol gel
* '''infix:''' dol bvi gel
* '''suffix:''' dol gel bvi
 
*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order.  Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...).  I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
==Suggestion list==
 
''If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.''
'''Please do not vote below!'''
 
*bendiza
*kaminto
*kaminhto
*pulthy
 
==Accepted Words==
''If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.''


===temporal preposition===
E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.
{{V|fyu|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|ES|n|JH|y|RJ|n|BF|n}}
{{V|fui|date=2011-4-19|ES|y|JH|n|FH|y|RJ|y|BF|y}}
*This can be used for stuff like ''four weeks ago'' or ''next month''. How exactly these will be translated is not yet defined. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===airplane, dirigible===
*I don't know where to move this… —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|kunoytemya|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
**If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right?  I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)


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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Contested words

Proposed grammatical particles

Definiteness

See also Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions

2011-6-27
the coda becomes -l for definite prepositions — 3/0 (FH,BF,JH,/0)
  • e.g. ku becomes kul, pan becomes pal. —FH
    It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. MM

Proposed content words

Additional meanings

If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.

currently empty

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the grab bag — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

  • pulthy
  • jajue
  • -su
  • nhanhnanh
  • padute

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

currently empty

position

prefix — VOTED IN
infix — VOTED OUT
postfix — VOTED OUT

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as bvi dol gel.

  • I don't know where to move this… —FH
    • If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right? I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --Jim Henry 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
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