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''List all unapproved words here'' (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) ''until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or voted out. Thanks!''
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==Proposed suffixes==
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===imperative mood===
List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!
{{V|-gy|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}


===interrogative mood===
==Contested words==
{{V|-li|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
 
===plural===
-un - **voted out**
 
{{V|-m|FH=y|MJ=y|JH=n}}
{{V|-am|BF=y|JH=n|FH=n|MJ=n}}
*(-am is already progressive aspect. —FH)
 
===genitive+plural===
-sti - **voted out**
*(violates phonotactics —FH)
 
{{V|-tsi}}
{{V|-bim|MJ=y|FH=y}}
 
===present tense===
*(aspect? WTF. Someone please name this right, as I really don't know how it should be. - BF)
 
{{V|-su|BF=y|FH=y|JH=n}}
*(Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
*(Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
**TODO move this discussion to [[Naeso/Grammar|Grammar]] page and add a vote rubric for it
*See the [[Sentences]] page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.
 
===desiderative, suggestive, required mood===
*(in contrast to imperative/command mood) (e.g., We ''should have'' a word for that, we ''need to have'' a word for that!)
 
{{V|-im|BF=y|JH=y|FH=y}}
 
===question marker===
 
{{{V|-tu|FH=y}}


==Proposed grammatical particles==
==Proposed grammatical particles==


===preposition for subordinate clauses===  
===Definiteness===
*(use like this: prep verb subject object)
{{V|bam|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y|RJ=y}}
*- (I think the term for this kind of particle is "conjunction" rather than "preposition", but I like the form of it. —JH)
*- (polish notation FTW! —FH)
 
===it===
{{V|ke|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
*(Fenhl suggests using this only for inanimates; I think we might use the non-IRC-participant or epicene pronoun for nonhuman living beings. —JH)
*(However, we have voted on the principle "Let usage define meaning", which is why I didn't explicitely state the above. —FH)
 
===they===
{{V|ky|FH=y|JH=n|BF=n|RJ=n}}
{{V|bel|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y|RJ=y}}
*(I think "ky" is a bad idea, being a minimal pair with "ke". I'd like to avoid minimal pairs within the same category like pronouns. —JH)
*(Agreed. —BF)
*(Many natlangs have at least one minimal pair in the personal pronouns, so I'm fine with either one. —FH)
 
===another (of the same kind); more, extra===
{{V|najan|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
*(We still have to decide upon how particles like this will be included in the sentence —FH)


===other; else; different; another (of a different kind)===
See also [[Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions]]
{{V|tynh|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}


===temporal preposition===
{{V|the coda becomes '''-l''' for definite prepositions|date=2011-6-27|FH|y|BF|y|JH|y}}
{{V|fyu|FH=y}}
*This can be used for stuff like ''four weeks ago'' or ''next month''. How exactly these will be translated is not yet defined. [[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 17:09, 17 October 2010 (PDT)


===Question particle===
* e.g. ''ku'' becomes ''kul'', ''pan'' becomes ''pal''. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|poynh|FH=y}}
*: It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. [[User:MilyAMD|MM]]
*examples: ku poynh = who, pan poynh = what, fyu poynh = when [[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 17:09, 17 October 2010 (PDT)


==Proposed content words==
==Proposed content words==


===earth (material)===
==Additional meanings==
{{V|tthenh|FH=y|JH=y}}
{{V|thenh|BF=y|BL=y|FH=y|JH=n}}


===to fish (verb)===
If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.
{{V|vui|FH=y|JH=y}}


===IRC or more generally any network or site with multiple chatrooms/fora===
''currently empty''
{{V|taklamti|BL=y|BF=y|JH=n|FH=n|RJ=n}}
{{V|takamti|JH=y|FH=y|RJ=y}}
*(I just realized that "taklam" violates phonotactics and was a typo for "takam" —JH)


===to thank===
==Suggestion list==
{{V|thana|BF=y|JH=y|FH=y}}
 
===vehicle===
{{V|kunoy|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}


===to hover, float in midair===
If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.
{{V|apfe|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
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===hovercraft===
Please do not vote below! We only vote on words which have a meaning associated with them.
{{V|kunoy'apfe|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}


===eel===
- - - - -->
{{V|tthaik|JH=n|FH=n}}
*pulthy
*(suggested by BlueRider on IRC, but violates phonotactics)
*jajue
{{V|tthaiki|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
*-su
*(my modification of BlueRider's suggestion)
*nhanhnanh
*padute


===to want===
==Accepted Words==
{{V|sidu|BF=Y|JH=n|FH=n}}
*(I suggest using a desiderative mood affix like bornfor's proposed "-im" with the main verb, rather than a dedicated "want" verb. To say you want a thing rather than want to perform an action, put the "-im" suffix on an "acquire" or "possess" or "eat" or "drink" etc. verb. —JH)


===to contain===
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.
{{V|tseltsinh|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}


===full===
''currently empty''
{{V|sinte|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
*(I'm thinking of using "to contain fully", e.g. tseltsinh sinte, for "to be full of". —FH)
*(I like that. —BF)


===this===  
===position===
{{V|ua|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
 
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
===that===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}
{{V|inna|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
 
==Colors==
 
===red===
{{V|dol|BF=y|JH=y|FH=y|RJ=y}}
 
*(I suggest letting "dol" cover orange and yellow as well as what we call "red" in English. —JH)
*(I suggest we let dol be red, and not orange/yellow. We should have six main colors, plus things like black and white. —FH)
 
===orange===
{{V|nhunh|FH=y|BF=y|JH=n|RJ=n}}
 
*(I cannot pronounce that... -RJ)
 
===yellow===
{{V|djy|FH=y|JH=n}}
 
===green===
{{V|pem|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===blue===
{{V|gel|BF=y|JH=y|FH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===purple===
{{V|jim|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y|RJ=y}}
 
===black===
{{V|kain|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===white===
{{V|jye|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=n}}
 
* (to me, that does not sound white at all... -RJ)
 
{{V|jithi|RJ=y}}
 
==Suggestion list==


''If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.''
E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.
'''Please do not vote below!'''


*pimum
*I don't know where to move this… —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*bendiza
**If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right?  I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
*paja
*mansu
*fyu
*poynh


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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Contested words

Proposed grammatical particles

Definiteness

See also Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions

2011-6-27
the coda becomes -l for definite prepositions — 3/0 (FH,BF,JH,/0)
  • e.g. ku becomes kul, pan becomes pal. —FH
    It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. MM

Proposed content words

Additional meanings

If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.

currently empty

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the grab bag — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

  • pulthy
  • jajue
  • -su
  • nhanhnanh
  • padute

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

currently empty

position

prefix — VOTED IN
infix — VOTED OUT
postfix — VOTED OUT

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as bvi dol gel.

  • I don't know where to move this… —FH
    • If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right? I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --Jim Henry 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
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