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::Have you been replacing the dotted circle with the letter the diacritic should go over? (i.e. click "æ" and the combination "◌̄" to get the three-character string "æ◌̄", then delete the dotted circle between the æ and the macron, after which you should have "ǣ").  If by 'does not combine' do you mean that it still stays separate, and you get something like æ¯ , then that's a font problem.  If something else is happening, please describe your results... —[[User:Muke|Muke Tever]] | [[User Talk:Muke|✎]] 14:35, 29 July 2007 (PDT)
::Have you been replacing the dotted circle with the letter the diacritic should go over? (i.e. click "æ" and the combination "◌̄" to get the three-character string "æ◌̄", then delete the dotted circle between the æ and the macron, after which you should have "ǣ").  If by 'does not combine' do you mean that it still stays separate, and you get something like æ¯ , then that's a font problem.  If something else is happening, please describe your results... —[[User:Muke|Muke Tever]] | [[User Talk:Muke|✎]] 14:35, 29 July 2007 (PDT)
:::Hey, did you ever resolve this issue? If your problem is not getting the circle & the diacritic apart - the circle is, after all, a "letter goes here" placeholder that SHOULD combine with any diacritic - here's how it goes. Say you want a sub-breve: you'll be starting with "◌̥". In edit mode it should take ''two'' strokes of the arro keys to scroll thru this in either direction. The first is the circle; the 2nd is the diacritic. The easiest way to proceed is to apply Delete from the left, only erasing the circle. You can also place the cursor in the "middle", either by placing the cursor on the left and pressing right, or on the right and pressing left (it should appear to be at the right of the compound) and then backspace.
:::Another useful thing is to use shift + L/R to select, then cut/copy + paste the diacritic part. You can cut/copy existing diacritics off letters this way (not with single glyphs like ǣ tho).
:::--[[User:Tropylium|John Vertical]] 10:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


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== addition to dalcurian double comma ==
== addition to dalcurian double comma ==


I originally created the double comma scenario for '''that''' clauses: ''I think (that) she is nice''. Since in English, we often ellipse the word '''that''', ''I think she is nice'', i wanted to do the same in Dalcurian but wanted it to be grammatically 'marked'. But in the end i just made the rule that '''that''' is never ellipsed...or even '''who''' as in, ''The people, who are here, are unknown to me''.  
I originally created the double comma scenario for '''that''' clauses: ''I think (that) she is nice''. Since in English, we often ellipse the word '''that''', ''I think she is nice'', i wanted to do the same in Dalcurian but wanted it to be grammatically 'marked'. But in the end i just made the rule that '''that''' is never ellipsed...or even '''who''' as in, ''The people, who are here, are unknown to me''.
 
A good example of the way Dalcurian translates an 'elipsed' sentence is from my verb page:
 
* '''DanöÞ brát mériÞ nörasáb,, taÞ vädenária stæmöjátsiel'''. ''There are more and more people becoming vegetarian''.
 
In the English sentence, '''who are/that are''' is omitted but the sentence could also read:
 
''There are more and more people '''who are''' becoming vegetarian''
 
The Dalcurian example shows this as a separated, subordinate clause: '''taÞ vädenária stæmöjátsiel'''-''who are becoming vegetarians''. '''taÞ''' in these instances can also mean ''who''.


Its akin to the way German works with '''that''' clauses. Its proper to say: '''Ich denke, ''das'' sie hübsch ist''', rather than: '''ich denke, sie ist hübsch''' (I think that she's pretty). Only difference is that in German, '''das''' is subordinate and sends the verb of that clause to the end where as in Dalcurian it has no relevance.
Its akin to the way German works with '''that''' clauses. Its proper to say: '''Ich denke, ''das'' sie hübsch ist''', rather than: '''ich denke, sie ist hübsch''' (I think that she's pretty). Only difference is that in German, '''das''' is subordinate and sends the verb of that clause to the end where as in Dalcurian it has no relevance.
== loan feature ==
[[User Talk:Rivendale]]
Hi, I dont mind at all about using the double comma feature. A reference will be nice but I will leave that to your own discression. I did have a look at your conlang and found some interesting features there myself so there maybe something of yours i could 'adapt' for Dalcurian if thats ok...I'll place any acknowledgements on my User/Disclaimer page?
You could even 'educate' me a little sometime. I'm still a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to serious syntax etc. Such as: bilabials, dentals, back and front vowels etc...its something i never really looked at (hence why I describe my site as being written in 'simple English')
By the way, I especially like the Old English traits, and also the small 'agglugnative' features in your case system, which bear some similarities to [[Halcánian dialect|Halcarnian]] (a Dalcurian dialect derived from a '''Finno-Dalcurian''' culture hundreds of years ago).
== Dalcurian dictionary ==
Hi, thanks for that, its nice to know that something you work hard on is noted by someone else. Yes, ive created a dictionary, it currently has around 6000 references, though I dont feel ready to put it online yet as there are still some gaps and discrepancies that need to be sorted. However, if you wanted to see the version as it stands currently, I'd be more than willing to send you the file (microsoft word) to an email address? Alternitavely, my msn address is: [email protected] if you wanted to add me and my regular email address is: [email protected].<br/>I havent worked on my page for a while because of personal issues, but I'm steadily getting back into the swing of things now and back working on the dictionary.<br/>What do you think of the 'history' of the language? Do you think that it is a 'plausable' one?<br/>Ive also been working on the physical country too, creating various maps. I must find the time to have a proper look at your conlang too, I have briefly looked at it and noted some interesting things. I guess it would be nice to exchange some ideas in the near future as I'm thinking about creating another one; possibly another dialect or 2.
==Carune e Terra Alterna==
''Dispiaccio che n'uso FrathWiki tanto come forse devo. Non sapo quando postaste il tuo messaggio nella mia pàggina. Lo lessì ozzè, e m'interessò.''<br>Sorry that I don't use FrathWiki as much as I perhaps should. I don't know when you posted your message on my page. I read it today, and it interested me.<br>''Mi scordè de Terra Alterna. Attempo ch'ho refatto Carune e 'Ukana'akau (mà ni Futozi ni Khombu, e non penso in farlo), esserì preparato per refare il forgiamondo con alcùn.''<br>I forgot about Alternate Earth. Now that I have remade Carune and 'Ukana'akau (although not Futozi or Khombu, and I don't plan on doing that), I would be prepared to remake the conworld with someone.
Alternate Earth...what an unimaginative name. Chiaro che possomo forgiare un nome più interessante, non?
== Thank you, ==
I developed an Alternative writing system for English on here, called [[Tawyr Oorthaagryfii]], and I hope to finish the [[Anglo-Saxon]] page in the next few days.  I also plan on having some basic pages for other real life languages too, such as Old Norse, German, and others.  I also want to do some more work with the Linguistics topics, since I can definitely help contribute to that, such as adding in a line of Affricates to the IPA page....
[[User:Blackkdark]]
== Common CSS blooper ==
What have you done to the Common CSS? Everything's big!--[[User:Pisceesumsprecan|S.C. Anderson]] 19:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
: Sorry about that. My user CSS caused me not to see the real effect of what I had done!  One million apologies! [[User:Melroch|BPJ]] 07:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
== Spammers ==
Thanks for reporting the spambots.  I've added sysop rights to your login should you care to help deal with them more directly in future.  (No obligations.)  —[[User:Muke|Muke Tever]] | [[User Talk:Muke|✎]] 23:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
== [[Main Page/News banner]] ==
Sean,
You've been idle here a while so I've taken your email address off of [[Main Page/News banner]] to keep you from getting too much spam from it.  If you feel like joining us again or are still just lurking, feel free to re-add it if you wish.  —[[User:Muke|Muke Tever]] | [[User Talk:Muke|✎]] 16:47, 21 December 2010 (PST)
== Reporting Spammers ==
Is there a way to do that? I noticed one: [[User:Callek6]].
:[[User:Qwynegold|Qwynegold]] 06:13, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

Latest revision as of 05:13, 11 August 2012

I'm responding to your email here because it's easier to explain "live" like this.

The main page has Today is {{CURRENTDAYNAME}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}.

To translate it for the Piscean front page you can use templates and magic words.

For example, a template like Template:PisceanMonth/07 (in which you would put the Piscean name for July) can be called by using {{PisceanMonth/{{CURRENTMONTH}}}}, which will automatically convert to calling Template:PisceanMonth/08 in August.

The magic word for the day of the week is {{CURRENTDOW}} (today being 1 — Sunday is 0 and it counts upwards), so you could have something like Template:PisceanDay/3 (in which you would put the Piscean name for Wednesday) which could be called by {{PisceanDay/{{CURRENTDOW}}}}.

So you could have put such templates in place and put a line—arranged however your grammar would have it—like [Today is] {{PisceanDay/{{CURRENTDOW}}}}, {{CURRENTDAY}} {{PisceanMonth/{{CURRENTMONTH}}}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}.

Hope this helps. —Muke Tever | 17:24, 25 July 2007 (PDT)


Thanks, Muke. —Anderson

Combining diacritics

Combining diacritics are placed after the letter they're supposed to appear on (the few double-wide combining diacritics go after between the two letters they cover). In the character selection box they're placed after a dotted circle (which is the usual convention in print to differentiate a combining diacritic from a spacing one) which you would replace with the letter you want to put it on.

If there's a "precombined" or single-character version of your character+diacritic combination, the Wiki software automatically converts it from the combination to the precombined character automatically when you submit it. This may prevent its displaying well if your font doesn't have glyphs for the precomposed character, even if it has the glyphs for the base and the diacritic.

If there is no precombined character, the wiki software will leave it as a sequence of character+diacritic, and it's up to the browser and your fonts to generate the correct appearance (some engines do better than others, and some fonts are better designed for this).

I don't know if this answers your request for information--the question is a bit vague. But feel free to ask again if not. —Muke Tever | 12:08, 28 July 2007 (PDT)

Have you been replacing the dotted circle with the letter the diacritic should go over? (i.e. click "æ" and the combination "◌̄" to get the three-character string "æ◌̄", then delete the dotted circle between the æ and the macron, after which you should have "ǣ"). If by 'does not combine' do you mean that it still stays separate, and you get something like æ¯ , then that's a font problem. If something else is happening, please describe your results... —Muke Tever | 14:35, 29 July 2007 (PDT)
Hey, did you ever resolve this issue? If your problem is not getting the circle & the diacritic apart - the circle is, after all, a "letter goes here" placeholder that SHOULD combine with any diacritic - here's how it goes. Say you want a sub-breve: you'll be starting with "◌̥". In edit mode it should take two strokes of the arro keys to scroll thru this in either direction. The first is the circle; the 2nd is the diacritic. The easiest way to proceed is to apply Delete from the left, only erasing the circle. You can also place the cursor in the "middle", either by placing the cursor on the left and pressing right, or on the right and pressing left (it should appear to be at the right of the compound) and then backspace.
Another useful thing is to use shift + L/R to select, then cut/copy + paste the diacritic part. You can cut/copy existing diacritics off letters this way (not with single glyphs like ǣ tho).
--John Vertical 10:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Fonts

It should work like this: text text text text

I'm pretty sure font tags don't work, so it needs to be CSS like that. Mind you, it's a very un-wiki way to do things. —Muke Tever | 18:33, 3 December 2007 (PST)

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You can use pretty much any CSS in the style tags here, I believe. —Muke Tever | 18:38, 4 December 2007 (PST)

Dal'qörian double comma

User Talk:Rivendale Hi, thanks for your mail. Yes the double comma basically separates a clause, be it subordinate or coordinate. (At least thats what its supposed to do, i'm currently going through the site checking for mistakes etc).

The reason for this because of the prepositional word order rule which places prepositioned phrases immediatley 'after' a noun or pronoun, but is always separated by a single comma so as to incite a change of intonation in the voice. Hope this explains it, cheers.

addition to dalcurian double comma

I originally created the double comma scenario for that clauses: I think (that) she is nice. Since in English, we often ellipse the word that, I think she is nice, i wanted to do the same in Dalcurian but wanted it to be grammatically 'marked'. But in the end i just made the rule that that is never ellipsed...or even who as in, The people, who are here, are unknown to me.

A good example of the way Dalcurian translates an 'elipsed' sentence is from my verb page:

  • DanöÞ brát mériÞ nörasáb,, taÞ vädenária stæmöjátsiel. There are more and more people becoming vegetarian.

In the English sentence, who are/that are is omitted but the sentence could also read:

There are more and more people who are becoming vegetarian

The Dalcurian example shows this as a separated, subordinate clause: taÞ vädenária stæmöjátsiel-who are becoming vegetarians. taÞ in these instances can also mean who.

Its akin to the way German works with that clauses. Its proper to say: Ich denke, das sie hübsch ist, rather than: ich denke, sie ist hübsch (I think that she's pretty). Only difference is that in German, das is subordinate and sends the verb of that clause to the end where as in Dalcurian it has no relevance.

loan feature

User Talk:Rivendale

Hi, I dont mind at all about using the double comma feature. A reference will be nice but I will leave that to your own discression. I did have a look at your conlang and found some interesting features there myself so there maybe something of yours i could 'adapt' for Dalcurian if thats ok...I'll place any acknowledgements on my User/Disclaimer page?

You could even 'educate' me a little sometime. I'm still a bit wet behind the ears when it comes to serious syntax etc. Such as: bilabials, dentals, back and front vowels etc...its something i never really looked at (hence why I describe my site as being written in 'simple English')

By the way, I especially like the Old English traits, and also the small 'agglugnative' features in your case system, which bear some similarities to Halcarnian (a Dalcurian dialect derived from a Finno-Dalcurian culture hundreds of years ago).

Dalcurian dictionary

Hi, thanks for that, its nice to know that something you work hard on is noted by someone else. Yes, ive created a dictionary, it currently has around 6000 references, though I dont feel ready to put it online yet as there are still some gaps and discrepancies that need to be sorted. However, if you wanted to see the version as it stands currently, I'd be more than willing to send you the file (microsoft word) to an email address? Alternitavely, my msn address is: [email protected] if you wanted to add me and my regular email address is: [email protected].
I havent worked on my page for a while because of personal issues, but I'm steadily getting back into the swing of things now and back working on the dictionary.
What do you think of the 'history' of the language? Do you think that it is a 'plausable' one?
Ive also been working on the physical country too, creating various maps. I must find the time to have a proper look at your conlang too, I have briefly looked at it and noted some interesting things. I guess it would be nice to exchange some ideas in the near future as I'm thinking about creating another one; possibly another dialect or 2.

Carune e Terra Alterna

Dispiaccio che n'uso FrathWiki tanto come forse devo. Non sapo quando postaste il tuo messaggio nella mia pàggina. Lo lessì ozzè, e m'interessò.
Sorry that I don't use FrathWiki as much as I perhaps should. I don't know when you posted your message on my page. I read it today, and it interested me.
Mi scordè de Terra Alterna. Attempo ch'ho refatto Carune e 'Ukana'akau (mà ni Futozi ni Khombu, e non penso in farlo), esserì preparato per refare il forgiamondo con alcùn.
I forgot about Alternate Earth. Now that I have remade Carune and 'Ukana'akau (although not Futozi or Khombu, and I don't plan on doing that), I would be prepared to remake the conworld with someone.

Alternate Earth...what an unimaginative name. Chiaro che possomo forgiare un nome più interessante, non?

Thank you,

I developed an Alternative writing system for English on here, called Tawyr Oorthaagryfii, and I hope to finish the Anglo-Saxon page in the next few days. I also plan on having some basic pages for other real life languages too, such as Old Norse, German, and others. I also want to do some more work with the Linguistics topics, since I can definitely help contribute to that, such as adding in a line of Affricates to the IPA page.... User:Blackkdark

Common CSS blooper

What have you done to the Common CSS? Everything's big!--S.C. Anderson 19:09, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that. My user CSS caused me not to see the real effect of what I had done! One million apologies! BPJ 07:06, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Spammers

Thanks for reporting the spambots. I've added sysop rights to your login should you care to help deal with them more directly in future. (No obligations.) —Muke Tever | 23:59, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Main Page/News banner

Sean, You've been idle here a while so I've taken your email address off of Main Page/News banner to keep you from getting too much spam from it. If you feel like joining us again or are still just lurking, feel free to re-add it if you wish. —Muke Tever | 16:47, 21 December 2010 (PST)

Reporting Spammers

Is there a way to do that? I noticed one: User:Callek6.

Qwynegold 06:13, 11 August 2012 (PDT)