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'''Palli''' is a laguage spended from [[Thaoa]].  Although originally an indepewdnent society, many [[Andanese]] spilled over and soon became the new majoreity. But their religion did not trasnger over.  Because of the strong Andfanese influence, /ŋ/ is romanized as ''g'' here. (There is no /g/ anuyway)
'''Palli''' is a language expanded from [[Thaoa]].  Although originally an independent society, many [[Andanese]] spilled over and soon became the new majority.    


==Phonology==
The phoneme inventory of Palli can be analyzed as being exactly the same as that of Andanese, and the two languages share the same set of alphabets.  However, in isolation, the phonology of Palli can be analyzed as differing very slightly from that of Andanese.


===Consonants===
==Thaoa (2674) to Palli (4175)==
The Palli dialect of the [[Thaoa]] language had never had any voiced stops, unlike the northern dialect that led to [[Sakhi]].  Thus proto-Palli began with a two-way distinction between plain voiceless stops and voiceless aspirated stops.  This distinction soon disappeared, as the aspirated stops merged with a set of preexisting voiceless fricatives.<ref>Possibly č > š while this happens.</ref>  Later, the number of fricatives was reduced.  Apart from these two shifts, however, the other changes to the consonant inventory were minor and often polyconditional. No new consonants were evolved. Thus the consonant inventory of Palli in its classical stage around the year 4175 was


/p m t n s l k ŋ q h/
The inherited phonology of the crushed Thaoa state was


If /w/ and /j/ (spelled ''y'') are analyzed as allophones of the vowels /u i/, then the consonant inventory of Palli is the same as that of Andanese but for the addition of the somewhat rare uvular stop /q/. However, those teachers who believe that the two languages have the same consonant inventory account for the existence of [q] by analyzing it as a cluster /hk/, which otherwise does not exist in the language.  However, there is no special relationship between the sound [q] and this cluster that would suggest that the two could be united; it simply fills a convenient gap in the distribution of sounds, and therefore can be used as a digraph without causing ambiguity.


Labials:        pʰ  p  b  m  f  v  w
Alveolars:      tʰ  t  d  n  s  z  l
Palataloids:        č  ǯ  ň          y
Velars:        kʰ  k      ŋ  x  g
Postvelars:    qʰ              h


#The glottal stop ''ʔ'' came to be spelled '''h'''. 
#The voiced fricatives ''v z g'' shifted to '''f s x'''.
#The '''STAIRCASE SHIFT''' occurred:
#:The voiceless fricatives ''x h'' shifted to '''š''' before any /e i/.
#:The voiceless fricatives ''š x h'' shifted to '''f''' before any /o u/.
#:The voiceless fricatives ''š s'' merged to '''s'''.
#:The voiceless fricatives ''f x h'' merged to '''h'''.
#::Note that in this shift, 1) /f/ stayed /f/ always; 2) /h/ became /f/ when before /a o u/, but became /s/ when before /e i/; 3) /š/ became /s/ when before /a e i/, but became /f/ when before /o u/; 4) /s/ stayed /s/ always.
#The voiced stops ''b d ǯ'' shifted to '''p t č'''.
#The aspirate stops ''pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ'' shifted to '''p t k q'''.
#The vowels ''e o'' shifted to '''a''' unconditionally.  Then, ''ə'' shifted to '''i'''.
#Syllable-final ''k'' assimilated in manner, but not position, to any following consonant.
#Syllable-final ''n'' assimilated in position, but not manner, to any following consonant.
#Syllable-final glottal stop (spelled "h") assimilated in both position and manner to any following consonant.
#The uvular stop ''q'' came to be spelled '''hk'''.
There may be more. e.g. did /č/ survive or did it collapse with /š/ ?
==Orthography==
The Palli scribes insisted on writing their language with the Andanese script, despite it having only 30 syllables. This they shared with the [[Players]].  The Players eventually took over all of Palli-speaking territory, however.


In some ways, very conservative.  I nfact, Andanese loanwords survived for 4500 years with only one sound change /hi/ > /si/.  That shift was reversed bny analogy because many words with ./hi/ cvould e /ha/ in other forms.  Thuds Andfanes words are unchanged.
==Grammar==
 
Much of the vocabulary was borrowed from [[Late Andanese]], but the grammar remained native.  Though the phonology collapsed to almost the same tiny inventory as Late Andanese, closed syllables remained, and could occur even at the ends of words.  Thus, for example, the word '''ulukukuya''' "hook" had dative case '''ulukukuyan'''.   
On the other hand, the native vocabulary changed quite a lot because there were many sound changes which drastically reduced the phonemic inventory.  Early on, most nouns were replaced with their ''oblique'' forms, which always ended in vowels. Thus words started out in early Palli by actually getting longer instead of shorterThis is analogous to what happened in Vulgar Latin, where for example ''costūmen'' "custom" developed into Spanish ''costumbre''.
 
;NOTE, DUE TO MY REWORKING OF THAOA, A LOT OF THE INFO HERE NO LONGER APPLIES. PREVIOUSLY I WROTE AS IF PALLI STARTED DEVELOPING C.4200 AD, WHICH IS AFTER THE DEATH OF THE ANDANESE NATION. I'VE SINCE MOVED IT BACK  TO ~2668 AD.  INSTEAD OF SPREADING THE SOUND CHANGES OVER 4500 YEARS (4200 - 8700 AD), THEY WILL BE COMPRESSED SO THAT THE FINAL DATE OF CLASSICAL PALLI WILL BE VERY NEAR TO THAT OF CLASSICAL ANDANESE.
===The staircase shift===
Palli never had any voiced fricatives.  Its voiceless fricatives included an /f/ not present in [[Sakhi]], which mostly corresponded to proto-Sakhi /b/.  Later, Palli underwent the "staircase shift" where the four fricatives collapsed into two, dependent on the following vowel.  A chart of each consonant paired with each vowel has steps like a staircase, hence the name.  The sound change is easier to visualize if the endpoints are /f/ and /s/, with a subsequent universal shift of /f/ > /h/However, the actual sound change was more complicated than this.
 
/f/ stayed /f/ always.


/h/ became /f/ when before /a o u/, but became /s/ when before /e i/.
Even words for simple concepts were often very long, both because of the small phonology and because the inherited Thaoa circumfixes were often wrapped around borrowed Andanese stems that already contained prefixes and were often transparent compounds. The word for hook above thus contains four morphemes.  ''NOTE: IT IS UNLIKELY THAT PALLI  USED THE SUFFIX -ya FOR HANDHELD OBJECTS, AND MAY HAVE HAD VERY FEW SUXXIES OVERALL.''


/š/ became /s/ when before /a e i/, but became /f/ when before /o u/.
Verbs had to be followed by particles denoting the  gender of the agent. These were thus like inflecting verbs for gender, but were separate words.  This was sometimes called the ''Feminist pattern'' or a similar term such as Feminist alignment.


/s/ stayed /s/ always.
===Down to three vowels===
Later, there came to be only three vowels, as in ANdanese.  The shift was /a e o/ > /a/, unlike Andanese. This happened after the staircase shift.
===Final phonology===
The final phonology is identical to that of Andanese. However, Palli still allowed closed syllables, which led to a very different setup of allophones as compared with [[Late Andanese]].  All Andanese syllables were "rising", and most of Palli's were too, but the existence of closed syllables meant that rapid speech could cut syllables down from both ends rather than just affecting the vowel.
The consonants allowed in syllable-final position are /l h k n/.  Of these, /h k/ are restricted to appearing before another consonant, and therefore cannot occur word-finally. 
/h/ assimilates to a following stop by forming a geminate with that stop.  Before an /s/, it becomes [t].  Thus it could be said that syllable-final /h/ behaves more like a glottal stop than an /h/.
/k/ does not assimilate to following stops.  /hk/ and /kk/ are held distinct by various means, which differ from dialect to dialect.  Because both occur in vernacular readings of Andanese loanwords, it is crucial to maintain this distinction.
====Allophones====
*/k/ becomes [ʔ] between vowels, and since Palli is mostly CV, this means that [k] is not a particularly common sound in Palli as a phone, unlike Andanese. However, the consonant clusters /hk/ and /kk/ do exist, with pronunciations resembling [k] and [k:].
*Palli is not a mora-timed language, so sequences like /sia/ seem like single syllables to speakers, unlike Andanese this sequence would be pronounced as two (very quickly spoken) syllables.  Likewise, the sequence /sii/ sounds like [ši], again behaving as if it were a single syllable. It is thus possible to analyze Palli has having a far larger phonology than Andanese. Put another way, in Andanese, /si/ and /sii/ would sound the same except for length.  In Palli /si/ may sound like a single consonant, [š].
===Stress accent===
Stress accent moves from always-initial to always-final under the influence of Late Andanese.
==Vocabulary==
Palli ported in the entire Andanese vocabulary and added it to their own bocab inheried from Thaoa.  Thus the phonemes of ANdfnaes are just a susbeet of the others and are overrrepreseented repsective to Sakhi etc.  Thew grammr is mostly still Thaoa-like, e.g. it has noun cases derived from infixes, which means it retains closed syllables, even though the vast majority of the jnouns do not have closed syllables in the nominative case  because Andanese didnt have closed syllables at all.  Andanese has many synonyms for the same thing with little difference in m,eaning, e.g. '''latuhi''', '''latuunama''', '''latunuma''' "boat".  Palli takes all of these and oftne uses the longest one .
==Culture==
==Culture==
Palli people do not consider themselves descendants of the disgraced Andanese; instead, they say they served as a refuge for the Andanese while maintaining their own culture.
Palli was one of the languages of [[ppot#Cream|Creamland]], but was likely not widely spoken since its speakers were descended from the losing side of a major war.  Its survival is primarily due to the genetic traits of its speakers; they were closely related to the much larger [[Paba]]p nation, but did not have the same childhood growth pattern and thus did not accept the introduced [[babakiam|Play]] language, which to them sounded like baby talkWhile in earlier times, this situation had led people to learn [[Andanic languages|Andanese]], by 4175 the Andanese were no longer a distinct population, and therefore their language was reduced to ceremonial use.
 
The early Palli territory resembled Greece physically, in that it had a heavily indented coastline with offshore islands.  The climate was cool temperate in the earliest days after the split with Sakhi, but warmed up steadily over time.  There were not nearly as many islands in Palli-land as there are in Greece, but the Palli people were nonetheless dominated by their ocean.
 
Despite being named after a woman, Palli had been invaded by the aggressively virile [[Andanese ]] people and opposed Sakhi's embrace of radical feminism.  When the Pallian leadership learned that Sakhi had been forced to sign a [[proto-Moonshine culture|Feminist Compact]] putting Sakhi firmly under female control and shutting down their military, they contemplated an invasion, planning to use the Sakhi men as slaves and the Sakhi women as prostitutes.  But no action was taken, because the two nations were separated by the difficult Hutithasi mountains, and even with their superior male standing army the Pallians knew that such a war would be very difficult.
 
==Grammar==
In some phrases, subjects are circumfixesThat is, the normal noun goes in front, then the verb and other words dependent on it, then an addition word that reflects the noun.
 
This setup is descended from the proto-language's SOV nouns, which were entire sentences that came to be used as ordinary nouns by removing the inflection from the (always final) verbPalli differed from the other languages only in that the verb part of the compound became opaque while the object part of the compound remained "alive" and therefore changeable.  Thus, it could also be said that objects are infixes within the subjects.  However, unlike the SOV words of these other languages, in Palli the compounds are spelled as separable words.
 
;note, what about the verb? is it also an infix? try to remember the "messy" words like ''šučupoladaešakšamo'' and ''poekšekmek'' and what the repetitions were for.
 
For example, if '''lanami nuhu''' "orange" is infixed into '''hasa liha''' "boy", the result is '''hasa lanami nuhu liha''' "a boy ... an orange".  Possibly these words would be abbreviated; the final morpheme could be tacked onto the end of the verb, and therefore seen as a sort of verbal noun-class agreement suffix.
 


The words tend to be divided based on what was once the border between a noun and its verb.  These verbs could be thought of as noun classifiers, e.g. ''liha'' "talking" applies to humans.
Note that, while Palli came to sound very similar to [[Late Andanese]], all of this happened ''before'' 4175.


====Cliticization====
Perhaps instead, all nouns are '''bipartite''', consisting of a root and a suffix.  This suffix cliticizes to the last word in the phrase of which it is the topic.  If the noun is used in isolation, it cliticizes to its own root and therefore appears as a single word.  If it is the subject of a clause, it cliticizes to the verb and therefore appears at the end of the clause (verbs are still always "final") and therefore appears to be a verb inflection.  This essentially mimics the [[Andanese]] classifier prefix system, except that
#The noun suffix appears only once, and encloses the entire phrase, rather than appearing on each word.
#It is always a suffix, never a prefix.  Many Andanese loans have the prefixes intact, but these are treated as part of the stem and will not separate.


To increase efficiency, probably single-syllable verbs will be favored. The word for boy could use -ka instead of -liha, even though animals also use -ka.  The language is still by far the most inefficient in its family, however.


==Notes==
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Latest revision as of 08:39, 17 February 2022

Palli is a language expanded from Thaoa. Although originally an independent society, many Andanese spilled over and soon became the new majority.


Thaoa (2674) to Palli (4175)

The inherited phonology of the crushed Thaoa state was


Labials:        pʰ   p   b   m   f   v   w
Alveolars:      tʰ   t   d   n   s   z   l
Palataloids:         č   ǯ   ň           y
Velars:         kʰ   k       ŋ   x   g
Postvelars:     qʰ               h
  1. The glottal stop ʔ came to be spelled h.
  2. The voiced fricatives v z g shifted to f s x.
  3. The STAIRCASE SHIFT occurred:
    The voiceless fricatives x h shifted to š before any /e i/.
    The voiceless fricatives š x h shifted to f before any /o u/.
    The voiceless fricatives š s merged to s.
    The voiceless fricatives f x h merged to h.
    Note that in this shift, 1) /f/ stayed /f/ always; 2) /h/ became /f/ when before /a o u/, but became /s/ when before /e i/; 3) /š/ became /s/ when before /a e i/, but became /f/ when before /o u/; 4) /s/ stayed /s/ always.
  4. The voiced stops b d ǯ shifted to p t č.
  5. The aspirate stops pʰ tʰ kʰ qʰ shifted to p t k q.
  6. The vowels e o shifted to a unconditionally. Then, ə shifted to i.
  7. Syllable-final k assimilated in manner, but not position, to any following consonant.
  8. Syllable-final n assimilated in position, but not manner, to any following consonant.
  9. Syllable-final glottal stop (spelled "h") assimilated in both position and manner to any following consonant.
  10. The uvular stop q came to be spelled hk.

There may be more. e.g. did /č/ survive or did it collapse with /š/ ?

Orthography

The Palli scribes insisted on writing their language with the Andanese script, despite it having only 30 syllables. This they shared with the Players. The Players eventually took over all of Palli-speaking territory, however.

Grammar

Much of the vocabulary was borrowed from Late Andanese, but the grammar remained native. Though the phonology collapsed to almost the same tiny inventory as Late Andanese, closed syllables remained, and could occur even at the ends of words. Thus, for example, the word ulukukuya "hook" had dative case ulukukuyan.

Even words for simple concepts were often very long, both because of the small phonology and because the inherited Thaoa circumfixes were often wrapped around borrowed Andanese stems that already contained prefixes and were often transparent compounds. The word for hook above thus contains four morphemes. NOTE: IT IS UNLIKELY THAT PALLI USED THE SUFFIX -ya FOR HANDHELD OBJECTS, AND MAY HAVE HAD VERY FEW SUXXIES OVERALL.

Verbs had to be followed by particles denoting the gender of the agent. These were thus like inflecting verbs for gender, but were separate words. This was sometimes called the Feminist pattern or a similar term such as Feminist alignment.

Culture

Palli was one of the languages of Creamland, but was likely not widely spoken since its speakers were descended from the losing side of a major war. Its survival is primarily due to the genetic traits of its speakers; they were closely related to the much larger Pabap nation, but did not have the same childhood growth pattern and thus did not accept the introduced Play language, which to them sounded like baby talk. While in earlier times, this situation had led people to learn Andanese, by 4175 the Andanese were no longer a distinct population, and therefore their language was reduced to ceremonial use.

Note that, while Palli came to sound very similar to Late Andanese, all of this happened before 4175.


Notes