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It is [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Shair Ahmed]]'s turn.
It is [[User:DCliche|Kenner Gordon]]'s turn.


===Possible Participants===
===Possible Participants===
These people have displayed interest but not explicitly stated their intent to join yet.
These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.
* Karen Badham
* Karen Badham
* Benct Philip Jonsson


===Former Participants===
===Former Participants===
—


==Sound Changes==
==Sound Changes==
Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.
Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate [[Vulgar Latin]].


===Stage 1===
===Stage 1===
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* [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
* [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
* β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
* β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
* l > λ
* l > ʎ


===Stage 5===
===Stage 5===
* j > λ
* j > ʎ
* (kw, gw) > (p, b)
* o > u
* (ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
* u > ɯ
 
===Stage 6===
* a > ɑ / #_
* ɣ > v
* ɔ > ɤ
* (ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
* ʎ > ʎ̥˔
 
===Stage 7===
* s > Ø / _#
* [alveolar]r > [retroflex]
* [geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
* (y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
* r > ʟ
 
===Stage 8===
* ʟ > l
* h > ħ / _a
* h > ç / _[front vowel]
* (ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
* ɑ > ɒ
 
===Stage 9===
* l > ʎ > ʎ̥˔
* h > Ø
* (ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)
* VV > VɾV
* u > ʏ
 
===Stage 10===
* ɨ > ə
* ɜ > ʌ
* ɔ > o
* ʎ̥˔ > çl > _V
* ø > ɵ
 
===Stage 11===
* æ > ja
* ə > ∅ /_#
* ç > j / V_[voiced consonant, V}
* ʎ̥˔ > lç > V_
* ʌ > ɔ
 
===Stage 12===
* back vowel > front vowel / #_
* (çl, lç) > ɬ
* tj, dj > ʧ, ʤ
* ɾj > l
* ja > ɛ
 
===Stage 13===
* ʧ ʤ > ʃ ʒ
* ʃ > x / #_
* j, jj > ʒ
* f > θ / _[-round]
* l > ɬ
 
===Stage 14===
* θ f v > t p b /#_
* ɫʒ, ʒɫ > ɮ
* ə > Ø / [unstressed]
* t d > θ ð
** ʈ ɖ > tt l / V_V
** ʈ ɖ > t d otherwise
* ɮ > ɬ̢
 
==Proposals==
Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. [[User:DCliche|DCliche]] 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Kicgan Vekei]] 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:
*Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
*Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
*Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
*Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
*Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns
What think ye? [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Kicgan Vekei]] 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 
Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? [[User:DCliche|DCliche]] 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
 
The dato-genitive case would probably be called "indirect."
 
What about the verbs?
 
I'm working on those right now, actually. Once I'm done I'll put up a list of proposals. [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Kicgan Vekei]] 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not quite done yet, but I suggest that ħ spread among all imperfect endings and ç spread among all perfect endings by analogy. What think ye? [[User:Kicgan Vekei|Kicgan Vekei]] 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:DCliche|DCliche]] 19:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 
The phonology should solidify sometime within the next few rounds, so that we can get a good idea of what the grammar is becoming.
 
==Declension==
{| class="wikitable" | width="360px"
! rowspan="2" |
!colspan="2"| '''pəɛʒɬa <br> ''girl'' f.'''
|-
! '''Singular'''
! '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| pəɛʒɬa || pəɛʒɬʒa
|-
! '''Indirect'''
| pəɛʒɬʒa || pəɛʒɬaɬ
|-
|}
 
{| class="wikitable" width="360px"
! rowspan="2" |
!colspan="2"| '''kamp <br> ''field'' m.'''
|-
! '''Singular''' || '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| kamp || kampi
|-
! '''Indirect'''
| kampi || kampəʒɬ
|-
|}
 
{| class="wikitable" width="360px"
! rowspan="2" |
! colspan="2"| '''ɬɛk, ɬɛvɛ <br> ''king'' m.'''
|-
! '''Singular'''
! '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| ɬɛk || ɬɛvɛ
|-
! '''Indirect'''
| ɬɛvɛ || ɬɛv
 
|}
 
{| class="wikitable" width="360px"
! rowspan="2" |
! colspan="2"| '''maʒl <br> ''hand'' f.'''
|-
! '''Singular'''
! '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| maʒɬ || maʒɬi
|-
! '''Indirect'''
| maʒɬi || man
|}
 
{| class="wikitable" width="360px"
! rowspan="2" |
! colspan="2"| '''ɬɛ <br> ''thing'' f.'''
|-
! '''Singular'''
! '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| ɬɛ || ɬɛ
|-
! '''Indirect'''
| ɬʒai || ɬɛʒl
|-
|}
 
{| class="wikitable"
! rowspan="3" |
! colspan="2" | '''First Person'''
! colspan="2" | '''Second Person'''
|-
! colspan="1" | '''''ɛvɛ''<br /> I m. and f.'''
! colspan="1" | '''''nə''<br /> we m. and f.'''
! colspan="1" | '''''ty''<br /> thou m. and f.'''
! colspan="1" | '''''βə''<br /> ye m. and f.'''
|-
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| ɛvɛ || nə || ti || βə
|-
! '''Genitive'''
| mʒai || nɛsʈ || təi || βesʈ
|-
! '''Dative'''
| mi || nəʒi || tɛʒɛ || βəʒi
|-
! '''Accusative'''
| mɛ || nə || tɛ || βə
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! || '''''—, əi'''''<br />himself, herself<br />itself, oneself, themselves
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| —
|-
! '''Genitive'''
| əi
|-
! '''Dative'''
| çɛʒɛ
|-
! '''Accusative'''
| çɛ
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! rowspan="2" |
! colspan="1" | '''''pja''<br />who? m. and f.
! colspan="1" | '''''pɛd''<br />what? n. only
|-
! colspan="2" | '''Singular'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| pa || pɛd
|-
! '''Genitive'''
| xiʒɬ || xiʒɬ
|-
! '''Dative'''
| kəʒa || kəʒa
|-
! '''Accusative'''
| pɛn || pɛd
|-
|-
|}
{| class="wikitable"
! rowspan="3" |
! colspan="6" | '''''ɛk, ɛk, ɛk''<br /> this, this one
! colspan="6" | '''''ɛjlɛ, ɛjla, ɛjləd''<br /> that, that one
|-
! colspan="2" | '''Masculine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Feminine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Neuter'''
! colspan="2" | '''Masculine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Feminine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Neuter'''
|-
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| ɛk || i || ɛk || ɛ || ɛk || ɛk || ɛʒɬɛ || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬa || eʒɬɛ || ɛʒɬəd || ɛʒɬa
|-
! '''Genitive'''
| əʒɬ || əʒɬ || əʒɬ || ɒjɬ || əʒɬ || əʒɬ || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬəʒɬ || ɛjɬi || eʒɬaʒɬ || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬəʒɬ
|-
! '''Dative'''
| əɛk || i || əɛk || i || əɛk || i || ɛʒli || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬi || ɛʒɬi
|-
! '''Accusative'''
| ənk || ə || ɒnk || ɒ || ɛk || ɛk || ɛʒɬ || ɛʒɬ || ɛʒɬa || ɒʒɬa || ɒʒɬəd || ɛʒɬa
|-
|}
=== Relative pronouns ===
{| class="wikitable"
! rowspan="3" |
! colspan="6" | '''''pi, pɛɛ, pəd''<br />who, which, that
|-
! colspan="2" | '''Masculine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Feminine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Neuter'''
|-
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
! colspan="1" | '''Singular'''
! colspan="1" | '''Plural'''
|-
! '''Nominative'''
| pi || pi || pɛ || pɛ || pəd || pɛ
|-
! '''Genitive'''
| xiʒl || pəʒɬ || xiʒɬ || paʒl || xiʒɬ || pəʒɬ
|-
! '''Dative'''
| kəɛ || pi || kəɛ || pi || kəɛ || pi
|-
! '''Accusative'''
| pɛn || pə || pan || pa || pod || pɛ
|-
|}
 
==Conjugation==
 
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Indicative mood, active voice, present tense
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| xaʒlɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛsɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| auziʒɬɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First Person
| pɔɬt || pɔɬtam || xaʒɬɛɾ || xaʒɬɛm || pɛs || pɛsim || auzɛɾ || auzim
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second Person
| pɔɬta || pɔɬtasɛ || xaʒɬɛ || xaʒɬɛsɛ || pɛsɛ || pɛsɛsɛ || auzi || auzisɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third Person
| pɔɬtat || pɔɬtant || xaʒɬɛt || xaʒɬɛnt || pɛsɛt || pɛsint || auzɛt || auzɛənt
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Indicative mood, active voice, imperfect tense
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| xaçlɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛsɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| auziʒɬɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First Person
| pɔɬtaħa || pɔɬtaβam || xaʒɬɛħa || xajʒɬɛβam || pɛsɛħa || pɛsɛβam || auzɛɛħa || auzɛɛβam
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second Person
| pɔɬtaħa || pɔɬtaβasɛ || xaʒɬɛħa || xaʒɬɛβasɛ || pɛsɛħa || pɛsɛβasɛ || auzɛɛħa || auzɛɛβasɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third Person
| pɔɬtaħat || pɔɬtaħant || xaʒɬɛħat || xaʒɬɛħant || pɛsɛħat || pɛsɛħant || auzɛɛħat || auzɛɛβant
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Indicative mood, active voice, perfect tense
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaβɛsɛ
!colspan="2"| xaʒləɾɛsɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛtɛβɛsɛ
!colspan="2"| auzɛβɛsɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First Person
| pɔɬtaʒi || pɔɬtaʒɛm || xaʒɬəɾi || xaʒɬəɾim || pɛsiʒi || pɛsiʒimɛ || auziʒi || auziʒɛm
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second Person
| pɔɬtaβɛsti || pɔɬtaβɛstɛ || xaʒɬəɾɛsti || xaʒɬəɾɛstɛ || pɛsiβɛsti || pɛsiβɛstɛ || auziβɛsti || auziβɛstɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third Person
| pɔɬtaut || pɔɬtaβɛʒlənt || xaʒɬəɾɛt || xaʒɬəɾɛjlənt || pɛsiʒɛt || pɛsiβɛʒlənt || auziʒɛt || auziβɛɬənt
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Indicative mood, active voice, pluperfect tense
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaβɛsɛ
!colspan="2"| xajləɾɛsɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛsɛβɛsɛ
!colspan="2"| auzɛβɛsɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First Person
| pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬa || pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬam || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬa || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬam || pɛsiʒɛʒɬa || pɛsiʒɛʒɬam || auziʒɛʒɬa || auziʒɛʒɬam
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second Person
| pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬa || pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬasɛ || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬa || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬasɛ || pɛsiʒɛʒɬa || pɛsiʒɛʒɬasɛ || auziʒɛʒɬa || auziʒɛʒɬasɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third Person
| pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬat || pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬant || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬat || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬant || pɛsiʒɛʒɬat || pɛsiʒɛʒɬant || auziʒɛʒɬat || auziʒɛʒɬant
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Indicative mood, active voice, future tense
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| xajlɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛsɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| auziʒɬɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First Person
| pɔɬtaɾ || pɔɬtaɾɛm || xaʒlɛɾ || xaʒlɛɾɛm || pɛsa || pɛsɛm || auzɛɾa || auzɛɾɛm
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second Person
| pɔɬtaɾɛ || pɔɬtaɾɛsɛ || xaʒlɛɾɛ || xaʒlɛɾɛsɛ || pɛsɛ || pɛsɛsɛ || auzɛɾɛ || auzɛɾɛsɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third Person
| pɔɬtaɾɛt || pɔɬtaɾənt || xaʒlɛɾɛt || xaʒlɛɾənt || pɛsʒat || pɛsʒant || auzɛɾɛt || auzɛɾɛnt
|}
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Indicative mood, active voice, future perfect tense
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| xaʒlɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛsɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| auziʒɬɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First Person
| pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬ || pɔɬtaβɛʒɬɛm || xaʒɬəɾɛjɬ || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬɛm || pɛsɛʒɛʒɬ || pɛʒsɛʒɛʒɬɛm || auziʒɛʒɬə || auziʒɛʒɬɛm
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second Person
| pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬɛ || pɔɬtaβɛʒɬɛsɛ || xaʒɬəɾɛjɬɛ || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬɛsɛ || pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛ || pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛsɛ || auziʒɛʒɬɛ || auziʒɛʒɬɛsɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third Person
| pɔɬtaʒɛɬɛt || pɔɬtaβɛʒɬɛnt || xaʒɬəɾɛjɬɛt || xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬɛnt || pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛt || pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛsɛ || auziʒɛʒɬɛt || auziʒɛʒɬɛnt
|}
 


[[Category:Collaborations]]
{| class="wikitable"
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!rowspan="3"|
!colspan="8"| Subjunctive Active Present
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
!colspan="2"| pɔɬtaʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| xaʒɬɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| pɛsɛʒɬɛ
!colspan="2"| auziʒɬɛ
|-
|-bgcolor="#EFEFEF"
! Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural || Singular || Plural
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | First person
| pɔɬtʃa || pɔɬtem || xaʒɬʒaɾaː || xaʒɬʒaɾam || pɛsa || pɛsam || auzɛɾa || auzɛɾam
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Second person
| pɔʎte || pɔɬtɛsɛ || xaʒɬʒaɾaː || xaʒɬʒaɾasɛ || pɛsa || pɛsasɛ || auzɛɾa || auzɛɾasɛ
|-
!bgcolor="#EFEFEF" | Third person
| pɔɬtet || pɔɬtʃant || xaʒɬʒaɾat || xaʒɬʒaɾant || pɛsat || pɛsant || auzɛɾat || auzɛɾant
|}
[[Category: Collaborations]]
[[Category: Colllangs]]

Latest revision as of 07:22, 31 January 2013

The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.

More Specific Rules

Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.

Participants

Current Participants

It is Kenner Gordon's turn.

Possible Participants

These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.

  • Karen Badham
  • Benct Philip Jonsson

Former Participants

—

Sound Changes

Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.

Stage 1

  • a: > a
  • e > ɛ
  • e: > e
  • i > e
  • i: > i
  • o > ɔ
  • o: > o
  • u > o
  • u: > u
  • y > i
  • y: > i
  • ai > ɛ
  • oi > e
  • n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
  • h > Ø
  • w > β
  • b > β / V_(V,r)
  • m > Ø / _#
  • m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
  • (e,i) > j / _V
  • u > w / _V
  • VV > V
  • V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
  • V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV

Stage 2

  • [fricative] > Ø / V_V
  • n > r / V_V
  • g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
  • s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)

Stage 3

  • (k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
  • s > h / #_V
  • u > ʉ
  • a > æ / _[+anterior]
  • e > ɞ

Stage 4

  • i > ʉ
  • ɛ > æ
  • [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
  • β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
  • l > ʎ

Stage 5

  • j > ʎ
  • (kw, gw) > (p, b)
  • o > u
  • (ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
  • u > ɯ

Stage 6

  • a > ɑ / #_
  • ɣ > v
  • ɔ > ɤ
  • (ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
  • ʎ > ʎ̥˔

Stage 7

  • s > Ø / _#
  • [alveolar]r > [retroflex]
  • [geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
  • (y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
  • r > ʟ

Stage 8

  • ʟ > l
  • h > ħ / _a
  • h > ç / _[front vowel]
  • (ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
  • ɑ > ɒ

Stage 9

  • l > ʎ > ʎ̥˔
  • h > Ø
  • (ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)
  • VV > VɾV
  • u > ʏ

Stage 10

  • ɨ > ə
  • ɜ > ʌ
  • ɔ > o
  • ʎ̥˔ > çl > _V
  • ø > ɵ

Stage 11

  • æ > ja
  • ə > ∅ /_#
  • ç > j / V_[voiced consonant, V}
  • ʎ̥˔ > lç > V_
  • ʌ > ɔ

Stage 12

  • back vowel > front vowel / #_
  • (çl, lç) > ɬ
  • tj, dj > ʧ, ʤ
  • ɾj > l
  • ja > ɛ

Stage 13

  • ʧ ʤ > ʃ ʒ
  • ʃ > x / #_
  • j, jj > ʒ
  • f > θ / _[-round]
  • l > ɬ

Stage 14

  • θ f v > t p b /#_
  • ɫʒ, ʒɫ > ɮ
  • ə > Ø / [unstressed]
  • t d > θ ð
    • ʈ ɖ > tt l / V_V
    • ʈ ɖ > t d otherwise
  • ɮ > ɬ̢

Proposals

Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:
  • Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
  • Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
  • Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
  • Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
  • Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns

What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The dato-genitive case would probably be called "indirect."

What about the verbs?

I'm working on those right now, actually. Once I'm done I'll put up a list of proposals. Kicgan Vekei 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite done yet, but I suggest that ħ spread among all imperfect endings and ç spread among all perfect endings by analogy. What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Makes sense. DCliche 19:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

The phonology should solidify sometime within the next few rounds, so that we can get a good idea of what the grammar is becoming.

Declension

pəɛʒɬa
girl f.
Singular Plural
Nominative pəɛʒɬa pəɛʒɬʒa
Indirect pəɛʒɬʒa pəɛʒɬaɬ
kamp
field m.
Singular Plural
Nominative kamp kampi
Indirect kampi kampəʒɬ
ɬɛk, ɬɛvɛ
king m.
Singular Plural
Nominative ɬɛk ɬɛvɛ
Indirect ɬɛvɛ ɬɛv
maʒl
hand f.
Singular Plural
Nominative maʒɬ maʒɬi
Indirect maʒɬi man
ɬɛ
thing f.
Singular Plural
Nominative ɬɛ ɬɛ
Indirect ɬʒai ɬɛʒl
First Person Second Person
ɛvɛ
I m. and f. 		nə
we m. and f. 		ty
thou m. and f. 		βə
ye m. and f.
Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ɛvɛ nə ti βə
Genitive mʒai nɛsʈ təi βesʈ
Dative mi nəʒi tɛʒɛ βəʒi
Accusative mɛ nə tɛ βə
—, əi
himself, herself
itself, oneself, themselves
Nominative —
Genitive əi
Dative çɛʒɛ
Accusative çɛ
pja
who? m. and f. 		pɛd
what? n. only
Singular
Nominative pa pɛd
Genitive xiʒɬ xiʒɬ
Dative kəʒa kəʒa
Accusative pɛn pɛd
ɛk, ɛk, ɛk
this, this one 		ɛjlɛ, ɛjla, ɛjləd
that, that one
Masculine Feminine Neuter Masculine Feminine Neuter
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ɛk i ɛk ɛ ɛk ɛk ɛʒɬɛ ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬa eʒɬɛ ɛʒɬəd ɛʒɬa
Genitive əʒɬ əʒɬ əʒɬ ɒjɬ əʒɬ əʒɬ ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬəʒɬ ɛjɬi eʒɬaʒɬ ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬəʒɬ
Dative əɛk i əɛk i əɛk i ɛʒli ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬi ɛʒɬi
Accusative ənk ə ɒnk ɒ ɛk ɛk ɛʒɬ ɛʒɬ ɛʒɬa ɒʒɬa ɒʒɬəd ɛʒɬa

Relative pronouns

pi, pɛɛ, pəd
who, which, that
Masculine Feminine Neuter
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative pi pi pɛ pɛ pəd pɛ
Genitive xiʒl pəʒɬ xiʒɬ paʒl xiʒɬ pəʒɬ
Dative kəɛ pi kəɛ pi kəɛ pi
Accusative pɛn pə pan pa pod pɛ

Conjugation

Indicative mood, active voice, present tense
pɔɬtaʒɬɛ xaʒlɛʒɬɛ pɛsɛʒɬɛ auziʒɬɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɔɬt pɔɬtam xaʒɬɛɾ xaʒɬɛm pɛs pɛsim auzɛɾ auzim
Second Person pɔɬta pɔɬtasɛ xaʒɬɛ xaʒɬɛsɛ pɛsɛ pɛsɛsɛ auzi auzisɛ
Third Person pɔɬtat pɔɬtant xaʒɬɛt xaʒɬɛnt pɛsɛt pɛsint auzɛt auzɛənt
Indicative mood, active voice, imperfect tense
pɔɬtaʒɬɛ xaçlɛʒɬɛ pɛsɛʒɬɛ auziʒɬɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɔɬtaħa pɔɬtaβam xaʒɬɛħa xajʒɬɛβam pɛsɛħa pɛsɛβam auzɛɛħa auzɛɛβam
Second Person pɔɬtaħa pɔɬtaβasɛ xaʒɬɛħa xaʒɬɛβasɛ pɛsɛħa pɛsɛβasɛ auzɛɛħa auzɛɛβasɛ
Third Person pɔɬtaħat pɔɬtaħant xaʒɬɛħat xaʒɬɛħant pɛsɛħat pɛsɛħant auzɛɛħat auzɛɛβant
Indicative mood, active voice, perfect tense
pɔɬtaβɛsɛ xaʒləɾɛsɛ pɛtɛβɛsɛ auzɛβɛsɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɔɬtaʒi pɔɬtaʒɛm xaʒɬəɾi xaʒɬəɾim pɛsiʒi pɛsiʒimɛ auziʒi auziʒɛm
Second Person pɔɬtaβɛsti pɔɬtaβɛstɛ xaʒɬəɾɛsti xaʒɬəɾɛstɛ pɛsiβɛsti pɛsiβɛstɛ auziβɛsti auziβɛstɛ
Third Person pɔɬtaut pɔɬtaβɛʒlənt xaʒɬəɾɛt xaʒɬəɾɛjlənt pɛsiʒɛt pɛsiβɛʒlənt auziʒɛt auziβɛɬənt
Indicative mood, active voice, pluperfect tense
pɔɬtaβɛsɛ xajləɾɛsɛ pɛsɛβɛsɛ auzɛβɛsɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬa pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬam xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬa xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬam pɛsiʒɛʒɬa pɛsiʒɛʒɬam auziʒɛʒɬa auziʒɛʒɬam
Second Person pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬa pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬasɛ xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬa xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬasɛ pɛsiʒɛʒɬa pɛsiʒɛʒɬasɛ auziʒɛʒɬa auziʒɛʒɬasɛ
Third Person pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬat pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬant xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬat xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬant pɛsiʒɛʒɬat pɛsiʒɛʒɬant auziʒɛʒɬat auziʒɛʒɬant
Indicative mood, active voice, future tense
pɔɬtaʒɬɛ xajlɛʒɬɛ pɛsɛʒɬɛ auziʒɬɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɔɬtaɾ pɔɬtaɾɛm xaʒlɛɾ xaʒlɛɾɛm pɛsa pɛsɛm auzɛɾa auzɛɾɛm
Second Person pɔɬtaɾɛ pɔɬtaɾɛsɛ xaʒlɛɾɛ xaʒlɛɾɛsɛ pɛsɛ pɛsɛsɛ auzɛɾɛ auzɛɾɛsɛ
Third Person pɔɬtaɾɛt pɔɬtaɾənt xaʒlɛɾɛt xaʒlɛɾənt pɛsʒat pɛsʒant auzɛɾɛt auzɛɾɛnt
Indicative mood, active voice, future perfect tense
pɔɬtaʒɬɛ xaʒlɛʒɬɛ pɛsɛʒɬɛ auziʒɬɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬ pɔɬtaβɛʒɬɛm xaʒɬəɾɛjɬ xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬɛm pɛsɛʒɛʒɬ pɛʒsɛʒɛʒɬɛm auziʒɛʒɬə auziʒɛʒɬɛm
Second Person pɔɬtaʒɛʒɬɛ pɔɬtaβɛʒɬɛsɛ xaʒɬəɾɛjɬɛ xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬɛsɛ pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛ pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛsɛ auziʒɛʒɬɛ auziʒɛʒɬɛsɛ
Third Person pɔɬtaʒɛɬɛt pɔɬtaβɛʒɬɛnt xaʒɬəɾɛjɬɛt xaʒɬəɾɛʒɬɛnt pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛt pɛsɛʒɛʒɬɛsɛ auziʒɛʒɬɛt auziʒɛʒɬɛnt


Subjunctive Active Present
pɔɬtaʒɬɛ xaʒɬɛʒɬɛ pɛsɛʒɬɛ auziʒɬɛ
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First person pɔɬtʃa pɔɬtem xaʒɬʒaɾaː xaʒɬʒaɾam pɛsa pɛsam auzɛɾa auzɛɾam
Second person pɔʎte pɔɬtɛsɛ xaʒɬʒaɾaː xaʒɬʒaɾasɛ pɛsa pɛsasɛ auzɛɾa auzɛɾasɛ
Third person pɔɬtet pɔɬtʃant xaʒɬʒaɾat xaʒɬʒaɾant pɛsat pɛsant auzɛɾat auzɛɾant
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