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This is where we'll put proposed and approved sentences in Naeso, exemplifying the uses of words and suffixes and grammatical structures.

If something hasn't yet been voted in, but you use it here anyway, please please please link to the relevant vote.

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If you're not sure how to format a sentence gloss, see the Leipzig Glossing Rules.

The following abbreviations are Naeso-specific and don't appear in the Leipzig list.

MB — morpheme boundary
INC — inceptive aspect
NEW — someone who has just joined the conversation (as in pae)
OLD — someone who has been part of the conversation for a while (as in tha)
T — temporal preposition

Proposed Sentences

tthaikitsel bu kunoypavi sibi.

eel-with TOP hovercraft 1SG-GEN

2011-6-16

My hovercraft has eels in it. — 3/0 (FH,BF,MM,/0)

2011-6-16

My hovercraft has eels on it. — 3/0 (FH,BF,MM,/0)

I like the ambiguousness of having both be accurate. BF

Accepted Sentences

sanzuja ku si pan soenu.

read-PRF A 1SG FOC book

I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past). — VOTED IN

lavao'am ku Jaeku va zaevu.

write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence

jim_henry is writing a sentence. — VOTED IN

zelthizo ku lynh va do.

make-INC A we;INCL P language

We are beginning to make a language. — VOTED IN

eana pan pae!

hello FOC 2SG;NEW

Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat) — VOTED IN

kal pan tha!

goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD

Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while) — VOTED IN

The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"

zelthija ku si va jan.

make-PRF A 1SG P word

I have (just) made a word/words. — VOTED IN

sunhsa'am ku si va silzu.

edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page

I am editing the (wiki) page. — VOTED IN

sifi benh bu dakai.

unreliable again TOP network.

The network is unreliable again. — VOTED IN

tseltsinh sinte syn kunoypavi pan tthaikin.

contain full in hovercraft FOC eel-PL

My hovercraft is full of eels. — VOTED IN

jia ku y panli onan pfe bam inhthaja syn kunoy nhu, bam mansu so inna?

Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that

Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there? — VOTED IN

sou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?

be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?

"I'll be back in a" what? — VOTED IN

The original text was What's bbiab? Be back in a ¿?, in other words, What does the last 'b' stand for? —Fenhl 18:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
It seems to me it could also be glossed as "When will you I be here again?" —Jim Henry 18:36, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
- It could, yes. —FH

jia ku tha pan poynh?

say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q

What did you say?/What are you saying? — VOTED IN

What does what you just said mean? — VOTED IN

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-This is where we'll put [[#Proposed sentences|proposed]] and [[#Approved sentences|approved]] sentences in [[Naeso]], exemplifying the uses of [[Naeso/Dictionary|words]] and [[Naeso/Suffixes|suffixes]] and [[Naeso/Grammar|grammatical structures]].
+This is where we'll put [[#Proposed sentences|proposed]] and [[#Accepted sentences|approved]] '''sentences''' in [[Naeso]], exemplifying the uses of [[Naeso/Dictionary|words]] and [[Naeso/Suffixes|suffixes]] and [[Naeso/Grammar|grammatical structures]].
-''If a word or suffix hasn't yet been voted in on the [[Naeso/Dictionary|dictionary pages]], but you use it here anyway, '''please please please''' link to the relevant vote.''
+''If something hasn't yet been voted in, but you use it here anyway, '''please please please''' link to the relevant vote.''
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 * T — temporal preposition
-==Proposed sentences==
+==Proposed Sentences==
+===tthaiki[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#with|tsel]] bu kunoypavi sibi.===
+eel-with TOP hovercraft 1SG-GEN
+{{V|My hovercraft has eels in it.|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y|MM|y}}
+{{V|My hovercraft has eels on it.|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y|MM|y}}
+*I like the ambiguousness of having both be accurate. [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
+==Accepted Sentences==
-===Sanzuja ku si pan soenu.===
+===sanzuja ku si pan soenu.===
 read-PRF A 1SG FOC book
-{{V|I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past).|JH=y|BF=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past).|result=y}}
-===Lavao[[Naeso/Transliteration#Liaison|']]<nowiki>am</nowiki> ku [[Naeso/Names#jim_henry|Jaeku]] va zaevu.===
+===lavao'am ku Jaeku va zaevu.===
 write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence
-{{V|jim_henry is writing a sentence.|JH=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|jim_henry is writing a sentence.|result=y}}
-*The above uses glottal stop as a liason consonant, written as an apostrophe between the root's vowel cluster and the affix's vowel; the basics of it would be unaffected if the liason consonant were something different.
-===Lavao[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#present tense|su]] ku [[Naeso/Names#jim_henry|Jaeku]] va zaevu.===
-write-PRS Jim P sentence
-{{V|Jim's writing a sentence.|BF=y|JH=n|FH=y}}
-===Zelthizo ku lynh va do.===
+===zelthizo ku lynh va do.===
 make-INC A we;INCL P language
-{{V|We are beginning to make a language.|JH=y|BF=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|We are beginning to make a language.|result=y}}
-===Eana pan pae!===
+===eana pan pae!===
 hello FOC 2SG;NEW
-{{V|Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat)|JH=y|BF=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat)|result=y}}
-===Kal pan tha!===
+===kal pan tha!===
 goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD
-{{V|Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while)|JH=y|BF=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while)|result=y}}
 *The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"
-===Zelthija ku si va jan.===
+===zelthija ku si va jan.===
 make-PRF A 1SG P word
-{{V|I have (just) made a word/words.|JH=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|I have (just) made a word/words.|result=y}}
-===Sunhsa[[Naeso/Transliteration#Liaison|']]<nowiki>am</nowiki> ku si va silzu.===
+===sunhsa'am ku si va silzu.===
 edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page
-{{V|I am editing the (wiki) page.|JH=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|I am editing the (wiki) page.|result=y}}
-===Souzo dakai sifi.===
-be-INC network unreliable
-{{V|The network has become unreliable.|JH=n|FH=n}}
-*This sentence lacks a preposition for dakai. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]]
-===Souzo bu dakai pan sifi.===
-be-INC TOP network FOC unreliable
-{{V|The network has become unreliable.|JH=y|FH=n}}
-===Souzo bu dakai sifi.===
-be-INC TOP network unreliable
-{{V|The network has become unreliable.|FH=y}}
-===Sifi benh bu dakai.===
+===sifi benh bu dakai.===
 unreliable again TOP network.
-{{V|The network is unreliable again.|JH=y|FH=n}}
+{{V|The network is unreliable again.|result=y}}
-*Since when is ''unreliable'' a verb?
-===[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to contain|tseltsinh]] [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#full|sinte]] syn [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#hovercraft|kunoy'apfe]] pan [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#eel|tthaiki]]un.===
-contain full in vehicle-MB-hover FOC eel-PL
-{{V|My hovercraft is full of eels.|FH=y|JH=y}}
-*This is an example of redundancy in Naeso: ''tseltsinh syn'' could be replaced by ''tseltsinh bu'' or ''sou syn'', but "Let usage define meaning" applies. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]]
+===tseltsinh sinte syn kunoypavi pan tthaikin.===
+contain full in hovercraft FOC eel-PL
+{{V|My hovercraft is full of eels.|result=y}}
-===Jia ku y panli onan [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#exclusive or / unless|pfe]] bam Inhthaja bu [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#public transportation vehicle|kunoy pimum]], bam [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to sit|Mansu]] [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#locative preposition|so]] inna?===
+===jia ku y panli onan pfe bam inhthaja syn kunoy nhu, bam mansu so inna?===
 Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that
-{{V|Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there?|FH=y|JH=y}}
+{{V|Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there?|result=y}}
-===Sou benh ku si [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#locative preposition|so]] ua [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#temporal preposition|fyu]] [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#Interrogative pronoun|poynh]]?===
+===sou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?===
 be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?
-{{V|"I'll be back in a" what?|FH=y|JH=y}}
+{{V|"I'll be back in a" what?|result=y}}
-*The original text was ''What's bbiab? Be back in a ¿?'', in other words, ''What does the last 'b' stabd for?'' —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 18:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
+*The original text was ''What's bbiab? Be back in a ¿?'', in other words, ''What does the last 'b' stand for?'' —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 18:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
-*It seems to me it could also be glossed as "When will you I be here again?" --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:36, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
+*It seems to me it could also be glossed as "When will you I be here again?" —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:36, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
+**It could, yes. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
-===Jia ku tha pan poynh?===
+===jia ku tha pan poynh?===
 say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q
-{{V|What did you say?/What are you saying?|JH=y|FH=y}}
+{{V|What did you say?/What are you saying?|result=y}}
-*Since the above only makes sense in IRC when dealing with a ''dakai sifi'', I additionally suggest the below.
+{{V|What does what you just said mean?|result=y}}
-{{V|What does what you just said mean?|FH=y}}
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