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This is where we'll put proposed and approved sentences in Naeso, exemplifying the uses of words and suffixes and grammatical structures.

If something hasn't yet been voted in, but you use it here anyway, please please please link to the relevant vote.

glossing

If you're not sure how to format a sentence gloss, see the Leipzig Glossing Rules.

The following abbreviations are Naeso-specific and don't appear in the Leipzig list.

MB — morpheme boundary
INC — inceptive aspect
NEW — someone who has just joined the conversation (as in pae)
OLD — someone who has been part of the conversation for a while (as in tha)
T — temporal preposition

Proposed Sentences

tthaikitsel bu kunoypavi sibi.

eel-with TOP hovercraft 1SG-GEN

2011-6-16

My hovercraft has eels in it. — 3/0 (FH,BF,MM,/0)

2011-6-16

My hovercraft has eels on it. — 3/0 (FH,BF,MM,/0)

I like the ambiguousness of having both be accurate. BF

Accepted Sentences

sanzuja ku si pan soenu.

read-PRF A 1SG FOC book

I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past). — VOTED IN

lavao'am ku Jaeku va zaevu.

write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence

jim_henry is writing a sentence. — VOTED IN

zelthizo ku lynh va do.

make-INC A we;INCL P language

We are beginning to make a language. — VOTED IN

eana pan pae!

hello FOC 2SG;NEW

Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat) — VOTED IN

kal pan tha!

goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD

Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while) — VOTED IN

The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"

zelthija ku si va jan.

make-PRF A 1SG P word

I have (just) made a word/words. — VOTED IN

sunhsa'am ku si va silzu.

edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page

I am editing the (wiki) page. — VOTED IN

sifi benh bu dakai.

unreliable again TOP network.

The network is unreliable again. — VOTED IN

tseltsinh sinte syn kunoypavi pan tthaikin.

contain full in hovercraft FOC eel-PL

My hovercraft is full of eels. — VOTED IN

jia ku y panli onan pfe bam inhthaja syn kunoy nhu, bam mansu so inna?

Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that

Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there? — VOTED IN

sou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?

be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?

"I'll be back in a" what? — VOTED IN

The original text was What's bbiab? Be back in a ¿?, in other words, What does the last 'b' stand for? —Fenhl 18:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
It seems to me it could also be glossed as "When will you I be here again?" —Jim Henry 18:36, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
- It could, yes. —FH

jia ku tha pan poynh?

say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q

What did you say?/What are you saying? — VOTED IN

What does what you just said mean? — VOTED IN

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-This is where we'll put [[#Proposed sentences|proposed]] and [[#Approved sentences|approved]] sentences in [[Naeso]], exemplifying the uses of [[Naeso/Dictionary|words]] and [[Naeso/Suffixes|suffixes]] and [[Naeso/Grammar|grammatical structures]]. If you're not sure how to format a sentence gloss, see [[http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/resources/glossing-rules.php|the Leipzig Glossing Rules]].
+This is where we'll put [[#Proposed sentences|proposed]] and [[#Accepted sentences|approved]] '''sentences''' in [[Naeso]], exemplifying the uses of [[Naeso/Dictionary|words]] and [[Naeso/Suffixes|suffixes]] and [[Naeso/Grammar|grammatical structures]].
+''If something hasn't yet been voted in, but you use it here anyway, '''please please please''' link to the relevant vote.''
+==glossing==
+If you're not sure how to format a sentence gloss, see [http://www.eva.mpg.de/lingua/resources/glossing-rules.php the Leipzig Glossing Rules].
+The following abbreviations are Naeso-specific and don't appear in the Leipzig list.
+* MB — morpheme boundary
+* INC — inceptive aspect
+* NEW — someone who has just joined the conversation (as in pae)
+* OLD — someone who has been part of the conversation for a while (as in tha)
+* T — temporal preposition
+==Proposed Sentences==
+===tthaiki[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#with|tsel]] bu kunoypavi sibi.===
+eel-with TOP hovercraft 1SG-GEN
-''If a word or suffix hasn't yet been voted in on the [[Naeso/Dictionary|dictionary pages]], but you use it here anyway, '''please please please''' link to the relevant vote.''
+{{V|My hovercraft has eels in it.|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y|MM|y}}
+{{V|My hovercraft has eels on it.|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y|MM|y}}
-==Proposed sentences==
+*I like the ambiguousness of having both be accurate. [[User:Bornfor|BF]]
-===Sanzuja ku si pan soenu.===
+==Accepted Sentences==
- read-PERF AGT 1SG FOC book
- I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past).
-/0 - (JH,BF,FH/0)
-===Lavao[[Naeso/Phonology#If a compound or derived word would have a sequence of three or four vowels (if e.g. the first element ends in a vowel cluster and the second element begins with a vowel or vowel cluster), how is this sequence dealt with?|']]am ku [[Naeso/Names#jim_henry|Jaeku]] va zaevu.===
+===sanzuja ku si pan soenu.===
- write-morpheme_boundary-PROG AGT name PAT sentence
+read-PRF A 1SG FOC book
- jim_henry is writing a sentence.
+{{V|I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past).|result=y}}
-/0 - (JH/0)
-The above uses glottal stop as a liason consonant, written as an apostrophe between the root's vowel cluster and the affix's vowel; the basics of it would be unaffected if the liason consonant were something different.
+===lavao'am ku Jaeku va zaevu.===
+write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence
+{{V|jim_henry is writing a sentence.|result=y}}
-===Lavao[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#present tense|su]] ku [[Naeso/Names#jim_henry|Jaeku]] va zaevu.===
+===zelthizo ku lynh va do.===
- write-PRS jim (what?) sentence
+make-INC A we;INCL P language
- Jim's writing a sentence.
+{{V|We are beginning to make a language.|result=y}}
-/1 - (BF/JH)
-===Zelthizo ku lynh va do.===
+===eana pan pae!===
- make-INCEPT AGT we.inclusive PAT language
+hello FOC 2SG;NEW
- We are beginning to make a language.
+{{V|Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat)|result=y}}
-/0 - (JH,BF,FH/0)
-===Eana pan pae!===
+===kal pan tha!===
- hello FOC 2SG.IRC.new
+goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD
- Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat)
+{{V|Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while)|result=y}}
-/0 - (JH,BF,FH/0)
-===Kal pan tha!===
+*The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"
- goodbye FOC 2SG.IRC.old
- Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while)
-/0 - (JH,BF,FH/0)
-The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "eana!" and "kal!"
+===zelthija ku si va jan.===
+make-PRF A 1SG P word
+{{V|I have (just) made a word/words.|result=y}}
-===Zelthija ku si va jan.===
+===sunhsa'am ku si va silzu.===
- make-PERF AGT I PAT word
+edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page
- I have (just) made a word/words.
+{{V|I am editing the (wiki) page.|result=y}}
-/0 - (JH,FH/0)
-===Sunhsa[[Naeso/Phonology#If a compound or derived word would have a sequence of three or four vowels (if e.g. the first element ends in a vowel cluster and the second element begins with a vowel or vowel cluster), how is this sequence dealt with?|']]am ku si va silzu.===
+===sifi benh bu dakai.===
- edit-morpheme_boundary-PROG AGT I PAT page
+unreliable again TOP network.
- I am editing the (wiki) page.
+{{V|The network is unreliable again.|result=y}}
-/0 - (JH/0)
-===Souzo dakai sifi.===
+===tseltsinh sinte syn kunoypavi pan tthaikin.===
- be-INCEPT network unreliable
+contain full in hovercraft FOC eel-PL
- The network has become unreliable.
+{{V|My hovercraft is full of eels.|result=y}}
-/2 - (0 / JH,FH)
-*This sentence lacks a preposition for dakai. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]]
+===jia ku y panli onan pfe bam inhthaja syn kunoy nhu, bam mansu so inna?===
+Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that
+{{V|Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there?|result=y}}
-===Souzo bu dakai pan sifi.===
+===sou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?===
- be-INCEPT TOP network FOC unreliable
+be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?
- The network has become unreliable.
+{{V|"I'll be back in a" what?|result=y}}
-/0 - (JH/0)
+*The original text was ''What's bbiab? Be back in a ¿?'', in other words, ''What does the last 'b' stand for?'' —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 18:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
+*It seems to me it could also be glossed as "When will you I be here again?" —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:36, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
+**It could, yes. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
-===[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to contain|tseltsinh]] [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#full|sinte]] syn [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#hovercraft|kunoy'apfe]] pan [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#eel|tthaiki]]un.===
+===jia ku tha pan poynh?===
- contain full in vehicle-morpheme_boundary-hover FOC eel-PL
+say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q
- My hovercraft is full of eels.
+{{V|What did you say?/What are you saying?|result=y}}
-/0 - (FH,JH/0)
+{{V|What does what you just said mean?|result=y}}
-*This is an example of redundancy in Naeso: ''tseltsinh syn'' could be replaced by ''tseltsinh bu'' or ''sou syn'', but "Let usage define meaning" applies.
+{{Naeso}}