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==Contested words==
==Contested words==
===Onan and ona===
The word 'onan', with the current plural system that we have, can mean either 'man' or 'women'.  This is too ambiguous.  I propose that we strip the final -an from the word for 'man', to leave it as 'on'. —[[User:Bornfor|BF]]
: "Onan" also makes horrible false friend. --[[User:MilyAMD|MM]]
{{V|Change onan to on|date=2011-6-8|FH|y|BF|y|MM|y}}


==Proposed grammatical particles==
==Proposed grammatical particles==


===how===
===Definiteness===
{{V|-ja|date=2011-6-19|BF|y|FH|y}}
 
*I'm proposing this as a verb affix. - [[User:Bornfor|BF]]


See also [[Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions]]


:''Proposed (probably grammatically atrocious) examples:''  
{{V|the coda becomes '''-l''' for definite prepositions|date=2011-6-27|FH|y|BF|y|JH|y}}
:Jia-ja ku si va ____ bu Naeso? <- 'How do I say ___ in Naeso?'
:(Do)-ja ku pae va inna? <- How do you do that?


===whether===
* e.g. ''ku'' becomes ''kul'', ''pan'' becomes ''pal''. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
*: It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. [[User:MilyAMD|MM]]
{{V|tum|date=2011-6-5|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
*This would be used pretty much like ''bam''. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===with===
 
{{V|-tsel|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
*I am proposing this as a noun suffix which would work similarly to the genitive, and basically have the inverse meaning: ''geltsel'' would mean "wet". Using this as a copula would make for a possible "have" structure. See also [[Naeso/Sentences#tthaikitsel bu kunoypavi sibi.|this proposed sentence]]. The word is inspired by ''tseltsinh'' "to contain". —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


==Proposed content words==
==Proposed content words==
===good===
{{V|dzael|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y}}
*inspired by ''ae'' "yes" and ''dzala'' "to agree". —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*I like the idea of combining words this way.  Great proposal. -[[User:Bornfor|BF]]
===big===
{{V|pyobo|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y}}
===small===
{{V|dyi|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y}}
===long (temp.)===
{{V|tadaneama|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|n}}
{{V|nuvu|date=2011-6-19|BF|y|FH|n}}
*I would prefer a long word for "long". —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
===heavy===
{{V|buban|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y}}
===cold===
{{V|fusil|date=2011-6-16|FH|y|BF|y}}


==Additional meanings==
==Additional meanings==
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*-su
*-su
*nhanhnanh
*nhanhnanh
*padute


==Accepted Words==
==Accepted Words==
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.
''currently empty''


===position===
===position===
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E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.
E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.


*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order.  Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...).  I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I don't know where to move this… —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
**If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right?  I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Contested words

Proposed grammatical particles

Definiteness

See also Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions

2011-6-27
the coda becomes -l for definite prepositions — 3/0 (FH,BF,JH,/0)
  • e.g. ku becomes kul, pan becomes pal. —FH
    It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. MM

Proposed content words

Additional meanings

If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.

currently empty

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the grab bag — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

  • pulthy
  • jajue
  • -su
  • nhanhnanh
  • padute

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

currently empty

position

prefix — VOTED IN
infix — VOTED OUT
postfix — VOTED OUT

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as bvi dol gel.

  • I don't know where to move this… —FH
    • If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right? I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --Jim Henry 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
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