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-->''List all unapproved words here'' (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) ''until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!''
List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!
 
==Contested words==


==Proposed grammatical particles==
==Proposed grammatical particles==


===instrumental preposition===
===Definiteness===
{{V|mym|date=2011-5-8|FH|y}}
 
===across===
{{V|fao|date=2011-5-10|FH|y}}
*across, through, anything that does not start or end there but is there sometime in the process.
 
===negative===
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.


{{V|-ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
See also [[Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions]]


*See also [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#no|the vote on "no"]].
{{V|the coda becomes '''-l''' for definite prepositions|date=2011-6-27|FH|y|BF|y|JH|y}}


===intention===
* e.g. ''ku'' becomes ''kul'', ''pan'' becomes ''pal''. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
According to the [[Naeso/Grammar|grammar page]], this is a verb suffix.
*: It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. [[User:MilyAMD|MM]]
 
{{V|-tsun|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}


==Proposed content words==
==Proposed content words==


===plant===
==Additional meanings==
*the noun, not the verb
{{V|thana|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|n}}
*this already means ''to thank'' —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===to consume===
If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.
*eat, drink, etc (not read, buy, etc)
{{V|ionh|date=2011-4-20|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}


===family===
''currently empty''
{{V|jane|date=2011-4-23|BF|y|RJ|y|FH|y}}


===child===
==Suggestion list==
{{V|kemsu|date=2011-4-23|BF|y|RJ|y|FH|y}}
*This could mean 'offspring' as well.  I don't envision it as being restricted to one species (ie, homo sapiens).-[[User:Bornfor|Bornfor]] 17:04 23 Apr 2011 (EST)
 
===to go===
{{V|mina|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*To go, to walk, to drive, to swim, etc. Naeso's grammar allows us to express all of these with the same verb and the right noun phrases. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*Does it also have metaphorical uses like to 'go' online or to join an IRC channel? ~RJ
**Let usage define meaning. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===goat===
{{V|bendiza|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
 
===evil===
{{V|tthuy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
*I like it. It sounds very evil ;) ~RJ
 
===beautiful===
{{V|djensi|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
 
===elephant===
{{V|tampfy|date=2011-5-8|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|y}}
 
===bridge===
{{V|bvya|date=2011-5-10|FH|y}}
*For Naeso I usually follow the ''let usage define meaning'' principle, but for a change I would like to precisely define this term as ''a path through the air which connects two points on solid ground'' (and possibly metaphorical equivalents). According to this definition, some stairs are bridges, too (e.g. [http://www.sixdifferentways.com/photos/spamalot-stairs.jpg these] are, but [http://finstone.fi/engl/natural_stone_products/images/natural_stone_outdoor_stairs.jpg these] aren't). —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===to run===
Before anyone proposes words for this, we should decide how we express it. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|new word|date=2011-5-11|FH|n}}
{{V|go fast|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
 
===fast===
{{V|tsia|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
 
===very===
 
This vote has been moved to the [[Naeso/Grammar#Comparison|grammar page]].
 
===to marry===
{{V|kaminhto|date=2011-5-11|FH|y}}
 
===to ask===
{{V|nugo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
For an example see [[Naeso/Torch#4|line 4 of the LCC4 torch]].
 
*If we introduce another word like ''bam'' that means ''whether'', we could extend this word's meaning to "ask, whether". I know that this is very close to the English word, but we don't have to make everything different from it, right? —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===to know===
{{V|baum|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
===name===
See also [[Naeso/Names|the names page]].
 
{{V|teono|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
===to cut===
{{V|tsam|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
===head===
{{V|bveo|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
===body===
{{V|kemga|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
==Meta-Naeso==
(words about working on Naeso)
 
===to start===
{{V|kinha|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to vote===
{{V|sunhiti|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to support a position, to agree with, to vote for===
{{V|dzala|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===to disagree with, to vote against===
If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.
{{V|fambu|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
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===to propose===
Please do not vote below! We only vote on words which have a meaning associated with them.
{{V|eljy|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===to attract someone's attention===
{{V|pinh|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===mythos===
{{V|lilaifu|date=2011-4-23|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
*Real Life, get it. ~RJ
 
==logic==
 
===yes===
{{V|ae|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
===no===
{{V|ni|date=2011-5-19|FH|y}}
 
===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|date=2011-4-19|FH|n|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|n}}
 
E.g., for each of those possible positions we would express "red and blue" as:
* '''prefix:''' bvi dol gel
* '''infix:''' dol bvi gel
* '''suffix:''' dol gel bvi
 
*Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order.  Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...).  I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. —RJ
*Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think prefix would work best with Naeso's existing syntax (VSO, preposition-noun-adjective, etc) and if we find that something is ambiguous, we could still introduce a feature to remove ambiguity. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
==Suggestion list==
 
''If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.''
'''Please do not vote below!'''


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*pulthy
*pulthy
*nuvu
*jajue
*-su
*nhanhnanh
*padute


==Accepted Words==
==Accepted Words==
''If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.''


===present tense===
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.
{{V|-su|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y|JH|n|ES|y}}
*(Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
*(Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
**TODO move this discussion to [[Naeso/Grammar|Grammar]] page and add a vote rubric for it
*See the [[Naeso/Sentences|Sentences]] page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.


===for===
''currently empty''
* for, with the intent of, to <verb>
* This can be used as a normal preposition (e.g. tau gelan, for water) or like [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#B|bam]] to start a subordinate clause (e.g. To bake <food>, you need <ingredients> = <need> ku y pan <ingredients> tau <bake> va <food>)
{{V|tau|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===balloon, dirigible===
===position===
{{V|kunoypavi|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
 
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
===to fly===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}
{{V|pavi|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|n|RJ|y|BF|y}}
 
===public, common, non-private, objective===
{{V|pimum|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===private, subjective, idiosyncratic===
{{V|teinen|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
 
===public transportation vehicle===
*bus, train, subway, …
 
{{V|kunoy nhu|date=2011-4-19|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|y|JH|n}}
 
===public transportation station===
*train station, bus station, …
{{V|kyba kunoypimumbi|date=2011-4-19|JH|y|FH|y|RJ|n|BF|y}}
 
===to give birth===
*note that ''to be born'' can easily be formed with something like ''Ete va &lt;name&gt;''. See also [[Naeso/Sentences]].
{{V|ete|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
 
===leaf===
{{V|anho|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y}}


===Earth===
E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.
{{V|naesa|date=2011-4-19|BF|y|FH|y}}
*I assume you mean the material, since we already have a [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#A|word]] for the planet. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:17, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
*Yes, of course. -[[User:Bornfor|BF]]


===goodbye===
*I don't know where to move this… —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|jani|date=2011-4-19|FH|y|BF|y|RJ|n}}
**If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right?  I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
*I am proposing this because imo there is too much of a gap between [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#K|kal]] and [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary#L|luena]]. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 05:34, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
* We have Luena already. Propose a different connotation, something different and I reconsider.
* The problem I see with not having this word is that if you do not see someone for 1 to 3 days, it is too long a timespan for saying kal, but too short for luena. You do not say farewell or sayonara to someone you'll be seeing again tomorrow. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
** As for a different connotation, how about something like "see you tomorrow"?h


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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Contested words

Proposed grammatical particles

Definiteness

See also Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions

2011-6-27
the coda becomes -l for definite prepositions — 3/0 (FH,BF,JH,/0)
  • e.g. ku becomes kul, pan becomes pal. —FH
    It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. MM

Proposed content words

Additional meanings

If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.

currently empty

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the grab bag — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

  • pulthy
  • jajue
  • -su
  • nhanhnanh
  • padute

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

currently empty

position

prefix — VOTED IN
infix — VOTED OUT
postfix — VOTED OUT

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as bvi dol gel.

  • I don't know where to move this… —FH
    • If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right? I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --Jim Henry 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
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