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''List all unapproved words here'' (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) ''until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or voted out. Thanks!''
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==Proposed suffixes==
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===imperative mood===
List all unapproved words here ''(alphabetically when possible for ease of searching)'' until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!
{{V|-gy|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y|ES=n|MJ=y|RJ=y}}


===additive plural===
==Contested words==
-un — **voted out**
 
{{V|-m|FH=y|MJ=y|JH=n|ES=n|RJ=n}}
{{V|-am|BF=y|JH=n|FH=n|MJ=n|ES=n|RJ=n}}
*-am is already progressive aspect. —FH
*both are very similar to other aspects that use -m. —ES
{{V|-n/-un|ES=y|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
*-n when a word ends in vowel, -un when it ends in consonant. —ES
 
===associative plural===
*Used similarly to English "& co.", see also the [http://wals.info/feature/description/36 description at WALS].
 
{{V|-lun|FH=y|JH=y}}
*wouldn't this come in conflict with endings in -n? -ES
**I don't think so. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 17:52, 22 October 2010 (PDT)
{{V|-dun|ES=y|JH=n|FH=y|RJ=y}}
{{V|same as additive plural|FH=y|JH=n}}
{{V|no associative plural|FH=n|JH=n}}
 
===genitive+plural===
*This is supposed to work with all plural forms: additive, collective and [http://wals.info/feature/description/36 associative].
-sti - **voted out**
*(violates phonotactics —FH)
 
{{V|-tsi|FH=y|JH=y|}}
{{V|-bim|MJ=y|FH=y|JH=n}}
 
*why not -bin or -bun? —ES
 
{{V|-bin|ES=y|JH=n|FH=y|RJ=y}}
{{V|-bun|ES=y|JH=n|FH=y}}
 
===present tense===
*(aspect? WTF. Someone please name this right, as I really don't know how it should be. - BF)
 
{{V|-su|BF=y|FH=y|JH=n|ES=y}}
*(Remember that it's not yet decided whether we will suffix aspect on verbs or tense particles —FH)
*(Or something else, like using adverbs for aspect. The first phase of that vote is going on now on the Grammar page. But I don't see a reason not to propose these affixes now and show examples of their use on the Sentences page. And maybe if we end up not having inflectional aspect, always marked on every verb, we can still have some specific derivational aspect suffixes (like e.g. English or French or Esperanto's "re-" prefix; that's derivational, not inflectional like aspect in Russian or Volapük).—JH)
**TODO move this discussion to [[Naeso/Grammar|Grammar]] page and add a vote rubric for it
*See the [[Sentences]] page to view proposed examples of how the aspect suffixes might be used and vote on them.
 
===question marker / interrogative mood suffix===
 
{{V|-tu|FH=y|JH=y|ES=y|RJ=y}}


==Proposed grammatical particles==
==Proposed grammatical particles==


===it===  
===Definiteness===
{{V|ke|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y|RJ=y}}
*(Fenhl suggests using this only for inanimates; I think we might use the non-IRC-participant or epicene pronoun for nonhuman living beings. —JH)
*(However, we have voted on the principle "Let usage define meaning", which is why I didn't explicitely state the above. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]])


===pronoun for last (most recent) line of chat===
See also [[Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions]]
{{V|ky|JH=y|FH=y|ES=y|RJ=y}}


===pronoun for last (most recent) line of chat posted by the speaker===
{{V|the coda becomes '''-l''' for definite prepositions|date=2011-6-27|FH|y|BF|y|JH|y}}
{{V|soa|JH=y|FH=y|ES=y|RJ=y}}


===temporal preposition===
* e.g. ''ku'' becomes ''kul'', ''pan'' becomes ''pal''. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|fyu|FH=y|ES=n|JH=y|RJ=n}}
*: It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. [[User:MilyAMD|MM]]
{{V|fui|ES=y|JH=n|FH=n|RJ=y}}
*This can be used for stuff like ''four weeks ago'' or ''next month''. How exactly these will be translated is not yet defined. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 17:09, 17 October 2010 (PDT)
 
===Interrogative pronoun===
{{V|poynh|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
*examples: ku poynh = who, pan poynh = what, fyu poynh = when [[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 17:09, 17 October 2010 (PDT)
*I think it would make sense to describe this as an interrogative pronoun, indifferent to IRC/sex/animacy gender, than a "question particle".  I also propose that it be used after nouns to mean "which X?". [[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 16:49, 18 October 2010 (PDT)
**I totally agree. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 17:05, 18 October 2010 (PDT)
 
===locative preposition===
{{V|so|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
*examples: so inna = there, so ua = here, so Lutetsia = in/near Paris, so Iakobo = at Jim's/where Jim is —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 11:20, 23 October 2010 (PDT)


==Proposed content words==
==Proposed content words==


===to fish (verb)===
==Additional meanings==
{{V|vui|FH=y|JH=y|ES=y|RJ=y}}


===to hover, float in midair===
If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.
{{V|apfe|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y|ES=n}}
*Esploranto: what is your suggestion? You can't just vote against it without voting for something else. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 18:25, 18 October 2010 (PDT)
{{V|pavi|ES=y|JH=y|FH=y|RJ=y}}


===hovercraft===
''currently empty''
{{V|kunoy'apfe|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y|ES=n}}
{{V|kunoypavi|ES=y|JH=n|FH=y|RJ=y}}


===balloon, dirigible===
==Suggestion list==
{{V|kunoypavi|JH=y|FH=y}}
 
===to fly===
{{V|pavi|FH=y|JH=n|RJ=y}}
 
===to fly (powered/guided flight, as birds, butterflies, airplanes, dirigibles)===
{{V|temya|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===to fly (ballistic flight)===
{{V|meumi|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===airplane, dirigible===
{{V|kunoytemya|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===spaceship===
{{V|kunoymeumi|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===to want===
{{V|sidu|BF=y|JH=n|FH=n|RJ=n}}
*I suggest using a desiderative mood affix like bornfor's proposed "-im" with the main verb, rather than a dedicated "want" verb. To say you want a thing rather than want to perform an action, put the "-im" suffix on an "acquire" or "possess" or "eat" or "drink" etc. verb. —JH
**This suffix is already voted in, so I second this —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 07:04, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
 
===farti===
*As an equivalent of Esperanto "farti", this verb means "to be (well, ill, healthy, sick, etc.)"
{{V|paja|FH=y|JH=y|ES=y|RJ=y}}
 
===duck (animal)===
{{V|anka|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
*Yes, I am aware that the swedish word for "duck" is also anka, but pronounced differently. No one complained about lol either. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 07:04, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
 
===house, building, permanent structure===
{{V|kyba|JH=y|FH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===public, free===
*free as in "free software", not "free of charge"
{{V|pimum|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=n}}
 
{{V|nhu|RJ=y}}
 
* nhu like GNU, get it? ~RJ
 
===public transportation vehicle===
*bus, train, subway, …
{{V|kunoy pimum|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=n}}
 
{{V|kunoy nhu|RJ=y}}
 
===public transportation station===
*train station, bus station, …
{{V|kunoypimum|FH=n|JH=n|RJ=n}}
{{V|kyba kunoypimumbi|JH=y|FH=y|RJ=n}}
 
===to sit===
{{V|Mansu|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
*(just because I am voting yes on the word doesn't mean I approve of capitalizing all verbs [[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 16:51, 23 October 2010 (PDT))
 
==Colors==  


*I suggest letting "dol" cover orange and yellow as well as what we call "red" in English. —JH
If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the ''grab bag'' — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.
*I suggest we let dol be red, and not orange/yellow. We should have six main colors, plus things like black and white. —FH
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===orange===
Please do not vote below! We only vote on words which have a meaning associated with them.
{{V|nhunh|FH=y|BF=y|JH=n|RJ=n|ES=n}}


*I cannot pronounce that... -RJ
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**Good thing we agreed on allowing idiolects. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 18:33, 18 October 2010 (PDT)
*pulthy
*jajue
*-su
*nhanhnanh
*padute


{{V|nunh|FH=y|RJ=y|ES=y|JH=n}}
==Accepted Words==


===yellow===
If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the [[Naeso/Dictionary/Naeso-English dictionary|dictionary page]], please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.
{{V|djy|FH=y|JH=n|ES=n|RJ=y}}


==logic==
''currently empty''


===position===
===position===
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|FH=y|JH=n|RJ=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prefix_notation prefix]|result=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|FH=n|JH=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infix_notation infix]|result=n}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|FH=n|JH=n|RJ=y}}
{{V|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postfix_notation postfix]|result=n}}
 
E.g., supposing that "bvi" gets voted in for "and", then for each of those possible positions we would express "red and blue" as:
* '''prefix:''' bvi dol gel
* '''infix:''' dol bvi gel
* '''suffix:''' dol gel bvi
 
Postfix notation seems very out of place re: Naeso's VSO and head + modifier order.  Prefix notation could be interesting, but I am worried that it would be unclear when it affects something more than a pair of single words (two prepositional phrases, two clauses...).  I'm voting for infix conjunctions for now, but I might change my vote if someone proposes a good way to disambiguate prefix conjunctions with phrases or clauses. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
 
It probably makes no sense to vote yes for postfix but I like its Forthyness. ''(unsigned comment by RJ)''
 
Fenhl has proposed a sentence on the Sentences pages showing how a prefix "or" conjunction could be disambiguated in some cases with a subordinating/relativizer conjunction. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:44, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
 
===and===
{{V|bvi|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===and/or===
{{V|dzo|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
===exclusive or / unless===
{{V|pfe|FH=y|JH=y|RJ=y}}
 
==Suggestion list==


''If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the 'grab bag'- other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.''
E.g., "red and blue" is translated as ''bvi dol gel''.
'''Please do not vote below!'''


*bendiza
*I don't know where to move this… —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right?  I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)


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List all unapproved words here (alphabetically when possible for ease of searching) until they're voted in. We are always voting on how to translate a given English word. Vote in the section below this, and remember to remove the word from this list once it's either voted in or completely voted out. Thanks!

Contested words

Proposed grammatical particles

Definiteness

See also Naeso/Grammar#Prepositions

2011-6-27
the coda becomes -l for definite prepositions — 3/0 (FH,BF,JH,/0)
  • e.g. ku becomes kul, pan becomes pal. —FH
    It has sense, though it looks too Romancy to me. I stay undifferent. MM

Proposed content words

Additional meanings

If there is a word which is already voted in, but you want to define another meaning for that word, create a vote here.

currently empty

Suggestion list

If you've grown attached to a certain word or phrase and want it included in the lex, but don't have the faintest idea about what you want it to mean, list it here. We'll consider this the grab bag — other people can look here for inspiration and develop words or phrases off of the ones here, or use them in their entirety.

  • pulthy
  • jajue
  • -su
  • nhanhnanh
  • padute

Accepted Words

If you vote something in but for some ungodly reason don't have the time to put it on the dictionary page, please at least bump it down into this list so that it'll be easier for someone else to move around.

currently empty

position

prefix — VOTED IN
infix — VOTED OUT
postfix — VOTED OUT

E.g., "red and blue" is translated as bvi dol gel.

  • I don't know where to move this… —FH
    • If I remember correctly, this was the position of conjunctions relative to their head nouns, right? I'd say that should go on the grammar page, with maybe a note on the dictionary page under each conjunction as well. --Jim Henry 07:16, 26 August 2012 (PDT)
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