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This is where we'll put [[#Proposed sentences|proposed]] and [[#Approved sentences|approved]] sentences in [[Naeso]], exemplifying the uses of [[Naeso/Dictionary|words]] and [[Naeso/Suffixes|suffixes]] and [[Naeso/Grammar|grammatical structures]].  
This is where we'll put [[#Proposed sentences|proposed]] and [[#Approved sentences|approved]] sentences in [[Naeso]], exemplifying the uses of [[Naeso/Dictionary|words]] and [[Naeso/Suffixes|suffixes]] and [[Naeso/Grammar|grammatical structures]].  


''If a word or suffix hasn't yet been voted in on the [[Naeso/Dictionary|dictionary pages]], but you use it here anyway, '''please please please''' link to the relevant vote.''
''If something hasn't yet been voted in, but you use it here anyway, '''please please please''' link to the relevant vote.''


==glossing==
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==Proposed sentences==  
==Proposed sentences==  


===Sanzuja ku si pan soenu.===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]anzuja ku si pan soenu.===  
read-PRF A 1SG FOC book
read-PRF A 1SG FOC book
{{V|I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past).|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
{{V|I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past).|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}


===Lavao[[Naeso/Transliteration#Liaison|']]<nowiki>am</nowiki> ku [[Naeso/Names#jim_henry|Jaeku]] va zaevu.===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|L]]avao[[Naeso/Transliteration#Liaison|']]<nowiki>am</nowiki> ku [[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|J]]aeku va zaevu.===
write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence
write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence
{{V|jim_henry is writing a sentence.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|jim_henry is writing a sentence.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
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*The above uses glottal stop as a liason consonant, written as an apostrophe between the root's vowel cluster and the affix's vowel; the basics of it would be unaffected if the liason consonant were something different.
*The above uses glottal stop as a liason consonant, written as an apostrophe between the root's vowel cluster and the affix's vowel; the basics of it would be unaffected if the liason consonant were something different.


===Lavao[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#present tense|su]] ku [[Naeso/Names#jim_henry|Jaeku]] va zaevu.===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|Z]]elthizo ku lynh va do.===  
write-PRS Jim P sentence
{{V|Jim's writing a sentence.|date=2011-5-16|BF|y|JH|n|FH|y}}
 
===Zelthizo ku lynh va do.===  
make-INC A we;INCL P language
make-INC A we;INCL P language
{{V|We are beginning to make a language.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
{{V|We are beginning to make a language.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}


===Eana pan pae!===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|E]]ana pan pae!===
hello FOC 2SG;NEW
hello FOC 2SG;NEW
{{V|Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat)|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
{{V|Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat)|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}


===Kal pan tha!===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|K]]al pan tha!===
goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD
goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD
{{V|Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while)|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
{{V|Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while)|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|BF|y|FH|y}}
{{V|See you!|date=2011-6-6|FH|y}}


*The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"
*The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"


===Zelthija ku si va jan.===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|Z]]elthija ku si va jan.===
make-PRF A 1SG P word
make-PRF A 1SG P word
{{V|I have (just) made a word/words.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|I have (just) made a word/words.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===Sunhsa[[Naeso/Transliteration#Liaison|']]<nowiki>am</nowiki> ku si va silzu.===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]unhsa[[Naeso/Transliteration#Liaison|']]<nowiki>am</nowiki> ku si va silzu.===  
edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page
edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page
{{V|I am editing the (wiki) page.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|I am editing the (wiki) page.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===Souzo dakai sifi.===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]ouzo dakai sifi.===  
be-INC network unreliable
be-INC network unreliable
{{V|The network has become unreliable.|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|The network has become unreliable.|date=2011-5-16|JH|n|FH|n|BF|n}}
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*This sentence lacks a preposition for dakai. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
*This sentence lacks a preposition for dakai. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===Souzo bu dakai pan sifi.===  
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]ouzo bu dakai pan sifi.===  
be-INC TOP network FOC unreliable
be-INC TOP network FOC unreliable
{{V|The network has become unreliable.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|The network has become unreliable.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|n|BF|y}}


===Souzo bu dakai sifi.===
*I do not like this method of forming copulas. Verbifying the adjective (as seen below) sounds better than making it a noun. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
 
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]ouzo bu dakai sifi.===
be-INC TOP network unreliable
be-INC TOP network unreliable
{{V|The network has become unreliable.|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|The network has become unreliable.|date=2011-5-16|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y}}


===Sifi benh bu dakai.===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]ifi benh bu dakai.===
unreliable again TOP network.
unreliable again TOP network.
{{V|The network is unreliable again.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|The network is unreliable again.|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
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**Okay, I changed my mind. How about this: if this one gets voted in, we consider this the proper way to form a copula. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**Okay, I changed my mind. How about this: if this one gets voted in, we consider this the proper way to form a copula. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===[[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to contain|tseltsinh]] [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#full|sinte]] syn [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#hovercraft|kunoy'apfe]] pan [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#eel|tthaiki]]un.===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|T]]seltsinh sinte syn kunoypavi pan tthaikin.===
contain full in vehicle-MB-hover FOC eel-PL
contain full in hovercraft FOC eel-PL
{{V|My hovercraft is full of eels.|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|My hovercraft is full of eels.|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


*This is an example of redundancy in Naeso: ''tseltsinh syn'' could be replaced by ''tseltsinh bu'' or ''sou syn'', but "Let usage define meaning" applies. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]]
*This is an example of redundancy in Naeso: ''tseltsinh syn'' could be replaced by ''tseltsinh bu'' or ''sou syn'', but I like this one better. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===Jia ku y panli onan pfe bam Inhthaja bu [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#public transportation vehicle|kunoy pimum]], bam [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#to sit|Mansu]] [[Naeso/Dictionary/Proposed words#locative preposition|so]] inna?===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|J]]ia ku y panli onan pfe bam [[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|I]]nhthaja bu kunoy nhu, bam [[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|M]]ansu so inna?===
Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that
Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that
{{V|Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there?|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there?|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===Sou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|S]]ou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?===
be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?
be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?
{{V|"I'll be back in a" what?|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|"I'll be back in a" what?|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
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**It could, yes. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
**It could, yes. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]


===Jia ku tha pan poynh?===
===[[Naeso/Transliteration#Capitalization|J]]ia ku tha pan poynh?===
say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q
say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q
{{V|What did you say?/What are you saying?|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|What did you say?/What are you saying?|date=2011-5-16|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}
*Since the above only makes sense in IRC when dealing with a ''dakai sifi'', I additionally suggest the below.
*Since the above only makes sense in IRC when dealing with a ''dakai sifi'', I additionally suggest the below. —[[User:Fenhl|FH]]
{{V|What does what you just said mean?|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y}}
{{V|What does what you just said mean?|date=2011-5-16|FH|y|JH|y}}
* The first English sentence above is a more literal gloss, the latter more idiomatic. Sure. —[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 18:16, 17 April 2011 (PDT)
* The first English sentence above is a more literal gloss, the latter more idiomatic. Sure. —[[User:Jim Henry|JH]]


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This is where we'll put proposed and approved sentences in Naeso, exemplifying the uses of words and suffixes and grammatical structures.

If something hasn't yet been voted in, but you use it here anyway, please please please link to the relevant vote.

glossing

If you're not sure how to format a sentence gloss, see the Leipzig Glossing Rules.

The following abbreviations are Naeso-specific and don't appear in the Leipzig list.

  • MB — morpheme boundary
  • INC — inceptive aspect
  • NEW — someone who has just joined the conversation (as in pae)
  • OLD — someone who has been part of the conversation for a while (as in tha)
  • T — temporal preposition

Proposed sentences

Sanzuja ku si pan soenu.

read-PRF A 1SG FOC book

2011-5-16
I finish reading the book (at some unspecified time, but probably recent past). — 3/0 (JH,BF,FH,/0)

Lavao'am ku Jaeku va zaevu.

write-MB-PROG A Jim P sentence

2011-5-16
jim_henry is writing a sentence. — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)
  • The above uses glottal stop as a liason consonant, written as an apostrophe between the root's vowel cluster and the affix's vowel; the basics of it would be unaffected if the liason consonant were something different.

Zelthizo ku lynh va do.

make-INC A we;INCL P language

2011-5-16
We are beginning to make a language. — 3/0 (JH,BF,FH,/0)

Eana pan pae!

hello FOC 2SG;NEW

2011-5-16
Hello! (said to someone who's just joined the chat) — 3/0 (JH,BF,FH,/0)

Kal pan tha!

goodbye FOC 2SG;OLD

2011-5-16
Goodbye! (said to someone who's been on the chat for a while) — 3/0 (JH,BF,FH,/0)
2011-6-6
See you! — 1/0 (FH,/0)
  • The above are proposed more-formal variants of basic "Eana!" and "Kal!"

Zelthija ku si va jan.

make-PRF A 1SG P word

2011-5-16
I have (just) made a word/words. — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

Sunhsa'am ku si va silzu.

edit-MB-PROG A 1SG P page

2011-5-16
I am editing the (wiki) page. — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

Souzo dakai sifi.

be-INC network unreliable

2011-5-16
The network has become unreliable. — 0/3 (0/JH,FH,BF,)
  • This sentence lacks a preposition for dakai. —FH

Souzo bu dakai pan sifi.

be-INC TOP network FOC unreliable

2011-5-16
The network has become unreliable. — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)
  • I do not like this method of forming copulas. Verbifying the adjective (as seen below) sounds better than making it a noun. —FH

Souzo bu dakai sifi.

be-INC TOP network unreliable

2011-5-16
The network has become unreliable. — 1/2 (BF,/FH,JH,)

Sifi benh bu dakai.

unreliable again TOP network.

2011-5-16
The network is unreliable again. — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)
  • Since when is unreliable a verb? —FH
  • Since when is the semantic boundary between verbs and modifiers a cross-linguistic universal? —Jim Henry 18:16, 17 April 2011 (PDT)
    • We should totally vote on this first. —FH
    • Okay, I changed my mind. How about this: if this one gets voted in, we consider this the proper way to form a copula. —FH

Tseltsinh sinte syn kunoypavi pan tthaikin.

contain full in hovercraft FOC eel-PL

2011-5-16
My hovercraft is full of eels. — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)
  • This is an example of redundancy in Naeso: tseltsinh syn could be replaced by tseltsinh bu or sou syn, but I like this one better. —FH

Jia ku y panli onan pfe bam Inhthaja bu kunoy nhu, bam Mansu so inna?

Speak A 2SG FOC-Q man or;EXCL REL enter-PRF P vehicle public, REL sit LOC that

2011-5-16
Are you talking about the man who just entered the subway or about the man who is sitting there? — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)

Sou benh ku si so ua fui poynh?

be again A 1SG LOC this T Q?

2011-5-16
"I'll be back in a" what? — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)
  • The original text was What's bbiab? Be back in a ¿?, in other words, What does the last 'b' stand for? —Fenhl 18:12, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
  • It seems to me it could also be glossed as "When will you I be here again?" —Jim Henry 18:36, 23 October 2010 (PDT)
    • It could, yes. —FH

Jia ku tha pan poynh?

say A 2SG;OLD FOC Q

2011-5-16
What did you say?/What are you saying? — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)
  • Since the above only makes sense in IRC when dealing with a dakai sifi, I additionally suggest the below. —FH
2011-5-16
What does what you just said mean? — 2/0 (FH,JH,/0)
  • The first English sentence above is a more literal gloss, the latter more idiomatic. Sure. —JH
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