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==base==
==base==
{{V|10|FH=y|RJ=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|10|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}}
{{V|special terms for expressing hexadecimal numbers|RJ=y|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|special terms for expressing hexadecimal numbers|RJ|y|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


==How to form number words==
==How to form number words==
*example: 813
*example: 813
{{V|eightonethree|FH=y|RJ=n|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|eightonethree|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|y|BF|y}}
* I will only propose number words with one syllable, making the above a lot easier to understand. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 05:04, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
* I will only propose number words with one syllable, making the above a lot easier to understand. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 05:04, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
** I disagree since short words are easier to misunderstand. ~RJ
** I disagree since short words are easier to misunderstand. ~RJ
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**It would still cause issues with large and exact numbers. Namely when there are more numbers than the average person can hold in short-term memory. ~RJ
**It would still cause issues with large and exact numbers. Namely when there are more numbers than the average person can hold in short-term memory. ~RJ


{{V|eighthundred-oneten-three|RJ=y|FH=y|JH=n|BF=y}}
{{V|eighthundred-oneten-three|RJ|y|FH|n|JH|n|BF|y}}
 
==How to mark hex numbers==
 
*I certainly do not want Naeso speakers to have to guess on whether a number is dec or hex. How do we avoid this? —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)


==number words==
==number words==
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===0===
===0===


{{V|se|FH=y|RJ=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|se|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===1===
===1===


{{V|a|FH=y|RJ=n|JH=n|BF=y}}
{{V|a|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}}


* Redundancy is a feature, not a bug. ~RJ
* Redundancy is a feature, not a bug. ~RJ


{{V|tsai|RJ=y|FH=y|JH=n|BF=n}}
{{V|tsai|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|tho|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|tho|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===2===
===2===


{{V|dy|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|dy|FH|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===3===
===3===


{{V|fe|FH=y|RJ=n|JH=n|BF=y}}
{{V|fe|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}}


* Has anyone considered that this might be used to speak phone numbers over a staticyVoIP connection‽ ~RJ
* Has anyone considered that this might be used to speak phone numbers over a staticyVoIP connection‽ ~RJ


{{V|efe|RJ=y|FH=y|JH=n|BF=n}}
{{V|efe|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|pu|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|pu|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===4===
===4===


{{V|gi|FH=y|RJ=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|gi|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===5===
===5===


{{V|ba|FH=y|RJ=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|ba|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|y|BF|y}}


===6===
===6===


{{V|vo|FH=y|RJ=y|JH=n|BF=y}}
{{V|vo|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|vae|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|vae|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}


===7===
===7===


{{V|zu|FH=y|RJ=y|JH=n|BF=y}}
{{V|zu|FH|y|RJ|y|JH|n|BF|y}}
{{V|zui|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|zui|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}


===8===
===8===


{{V|to|FH=y|RJ=n|BF=y|JH=n}}
{{V|to|FH|y|RJ|n|BF|y|JH|n}}


* Too similar to 6 ~RJ
* Too similar to 6 ~RJ
{{V|lui|RJ=y|FH=y|BF=n|JH=n}}
{{V|lui|RJ|y|FH|y|BF|n|JH|n}}
{{V|toa|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|toa|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}


===9===
===9===


{{V|na|FH=y|RJ=n|JH=n|BF=y}}
{{V|na|FH|y|RJ|n|JH|n|BF|y}}


* Too similar to ba ~RJ(?)
* Too similar to ba —RJ


{{V|dzia|RJ=y|FH=y|JH=n|BF=n}}  
{{V|dzia|RJ|y|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}}  
{{V|fel|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|fel|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}


===ten===
===ten===


{{V|tthi|FH=y|JH=n|BF=n}}
{{V|tthi|FH|y|JH|n|BF|n}}
{{V|zym|JH=y|FH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|zym|JH|y|FH|y|BF|y}}


===eleven===
===eleven===
{{V|thoanh|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|thoanh|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}
 
{{V|zym a|BF|y|JH|y}}


{{V|zym a|BF=y|JH=y}}
*I think this is in regard to hex numbers, so ''zym a'' would be inappropriate here. —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)


===twelve===
===twelve===
{{V|munh|JH=y|FH=y}}
{{V|munh|JH|y|FH|y}}


{{V|zym dy|BF=y|JH=y}}
{{V|zym dy|BF|y|JH|y}}
 
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)


===thirteen===
===thirteen===
{{V|munh|JH=y|FH=n|BF=n}}
{{V|munh|JH|y|FH|n|BF|n}}


* Same as twelve —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 16:42, 10 April 2011 (PDT)
* Same as twelve —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 16:42, 10 April 2011 (PDT)


{{V|zym pu|BF=y|JH=y}}
{{V|zym pu|BF|y|JH|y}}


{{V|syul|FH=y|BF=n|JH=y}}
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
 
{{V|syul|FH|y|BF|n|JH|y}}


===fourteen===
===fourteen===
{{V|doal|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|doal|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}


{{V|zym gi|BF=y|JH=y}}
{{V|zym gi|BF|y|JH|y}}
 
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)


===fifteen===
===fifteen===
{{V|bem|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|bem|JH|y|FH|y|BF|n}}


{{V|zym ba|BF=y|JH=y}}
{{V|zym ba|BF|y|JH|y}}


===sixteen===
===sixteen===
{{V|dzim|JH=y|FH=y|BF=n}}
{{V|dzim|JH|y|FH|n|BF|n}}
 
{{V|zym vo|BF|y|JH|y}}


{{V|zym vo|BF=y|JH=y}}
*see [[Naeso/Math#eleven|above]] —[[User:Fenhl|Fenhl]] 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)


===hundred===
===hundred===
{{V|on|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|on|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}}


===thousand===
===thousand===
{{V|jol|FH=y|JH=y|BF=y}}
{{V|jol|FH|n|JH|y|BF|y}}


{{V|onon / on on|BF=y|JH=n}}
{{V|onon / on on|BF|y|JH|n|FH|n}}
*A hundred hundreds is ten thousand, not one thousand. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:49, 17 April 2011 (PDT)
*A hundred hundreds is ten thousand, not one thousand. --[[User:Jim Henry|Jim Henry]] 10:49, 17 April 2011 (PDT)


===ten thousand===
===ten thousand===
{{V|djulnen|FH=y|JH=n}}
{{V|djulnen|FH|n|JH|n}}
{{V|zym onon|BF=y|JH=n}}
{{V|zym onon|BF|y|JH|n|FH|n}}
{{V|zym jol|JH=y}}
{{V|zym jol|JH|y}}


===hundred thousand===
===hundred thousand===
{{V|founh|FH=y|BF=y|JH=n}}
{{V|founh|FH|n|BF|y|JH|n}}


===million===
===million===
{{V|tinem|FH=y|BF=y|JH=n}}
{{V|tinem|FH|y|BF|y|JH|n}}
{{V|jol jol|JH=y}}
{{V|jol jol|JH|y|FH|n}}
{{Naeso}}
{{Naeso}}

Revision as of 03:43, 18 April 2011

base

10 — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)
special terms for expressing hexadecimal numbers — 4/0 (RJ,JH,FH,BF,/0)

How to form number words

  • example: 813
eightonethree — 3/1 (FH,JH,BF,/RJ,)
  • I will only propose number words with one syllable, making the above a lot easier to understand. —Fenhl 05:04, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
    • I disagree since short words are easier to misunderstand. ~RJ
    • Hopefully my proposal avoids this problem. I generated a set of phonologically-redundant words using this algorithm, tweaking the input file so its output overlapped as much as possible with Fenhl and MalfermitaKodo's proposals. --Jim Henry 15:52, 26 October 2010 (PDT)
    • It would still cause issues with large and exact numbers. Namely when there are more numbers than the average person can hold in short-term memory. ~RJ
eighthundred-oneten-three — 2/2 (RJ,BF,/FH,JH,)

How to mark hex numbers

  • I certainly do not want Naeso speakers to have to guess on whether a number is dec or hex. How do we avoid this? —Fenhl 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)

number words

0

se — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)

1

a — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)
  • Redundancy is a feature, not a bug. ~RJ
tsai — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/JH,BF,)
tho — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

2

dy — 3/0 (FH,JH,BF,/0)

3

fe — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)
  • Has anyone considered that this might be used to speak phone numbers over a staticyVoIP connection‽ ~RJ
efe — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/JH,BF,)
pu — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

4

gi — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)

5

ba — 4/0 (FH,RJ,JH,BF,/0)

6

vo — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)
vae — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)

7

zu — 3/1 (FH,RJ,BF,/JH,)
zui — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)

8

to — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)
  • Too similar to 6 ~RJ
lui — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/BF,JH,)
toa — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)

9

na — 2/2 (FH,BF,/RJ,JH,)
  • Too similar to ba —RJ
dzia — 2/2 (RJ,FH,/JH,BF,)
fel — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)

ten

tthi — 1/2 (FH,/JH,BF,)
zym — 3/0 (JH,FH,BF,/0)

eleven

thoanh — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)
zym a — 2/0 (BF,JH,/0)
  • I think this is in regard to hex numbers, so zym a would be inappropriate here. —Fenhl 04:43, 18 April 2011 (PDT)

twelve

munh — 2/0 (JH,FH,/0)
zym dy — 2/0 (BF,JH,/0)

thirteen

munh — 1/2 (JH,/FH,BF,)
  • Same as twelve —Fenhl 16:42, 10 April 2011 (PDT)
zym pu — 2/0 (BF,JH,/0)
syul — 2/1 (FH,JH,/BF,)

fourteen

doal — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)
zym gi — 2/0 (BF,JH,/0)

fifteen

bem — 2/1 (JH,FH,/BF,)
zym ba — 2/0 (BF,JH,/0)

sixteen

dzim — 1/2 (JH,/FH,BF,)
zym vo — 2/0 (BF,JH,/0)

hundred

on — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)

thousand

jol — 2/1 (JH,BF,/FH,)
onon / on on — 1/2 (BF,/JH,FH,)
  • A hundred hundreds is ten thousand, not one thousand. --Jim Henry 10:49, 17 April 2011 (PDT)

ten thousand

djulnen — 0/2 (0/FH,JH,)
zym onon — 1/2 (BF,/JH,FH,)
zym jol — 1/0 (JH,/0)

hundred thousand

founh — 1/2 (BF,/FH,JH,)

million

tinem — 2/1 (FH,BF,/JH,)
jol jol — 1/1 (JH,/FH,)
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