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Revision as of 14:43, 25 March 2010
The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.
More Specific Rules
Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.
Participants
Current Participants
- Kenner Gordon
- Shair Ahmed
- Kelvin Jackson
- Peter Bleackley
- Calculator Ftvb
It is Shair Ahmed's turn.
Possible Participants
These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.
- Karen Badham
- Benct Philip Jonsson
Former Participants
—
Sound Changes
Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.
Stage 1
- a: > a
- e > ɛ
- e: > e
- i > e
- i: > i
- o > ɔ
- o: > o
- u > o
- u: > u
- y > i
- y: > i
- ai > ɛ
- oi > e
- n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
- h > Ø
- w > β
- b > β / V_(V,r)
- m > Ø / _#
- m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
- (e,i) > j / _V
- u > w / _V
- VV > V
- V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
- V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV
Stage 2
- [fricative] > Ø / V_V
- n > r / V_V
- g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
- s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)
Stage 3
- (k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
- s > h / #_V
- u > ʉ
- a > æ / _[+anterior]
- e > ɞ
Stage 4
- i > ʉ
- ɛ > æ
- [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
- β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
- l > λ
Stage 5
- j > λ
- (kw, gw) > (p, b)
- o > u
- (ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
- u > ɯ
Stage 6
- a > ɑ / #_
- ɣ > v
- ɔ > ɤ
- (ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
- λ > ʎ̥˔
Stage 7
- s > Ø / _#
- [alveolar]r > [retroflex]
- [geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
- (y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
- r > ʟ
Stage 8
- ʟ > l
- h > ħ / _a
- h > ç / _[front vowel]
- (ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
- ɑ > ɒ
Stage 9
- l > λ > ʎ̥˔
- h > Ø
- (ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)
- VV > VɾV
- u > ʏ
Stage 10
- ɨ > ə
- ɜ > ʌ
- ɔ > o
- ʎ̥˔ > çl > _V
- ø > ɵ
Stage 11
- æ > ja
- ə > ∅ /_#
- ç > j / V_[voiced consonant, V}
- ʎ̥˔ > lç > V_
- ʌ > ɔ
Stage 12
- back vowel > front vowel / #_
- (çl, lç) > ɬ
- tj, dj > ʧ, ʤ
- ɾj > l
- ja > ɛ
Stage 13
- ʧ ʤ > ʃ ʒ
- ʃ > x / #_
- j, jj > ʒ
Proposals
Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
- I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
- Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:
- Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
- Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
- Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
- Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
- Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns
What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
The dato-genitive case would probably be called "indirect."
What about the verbs?
I'm working on those right now, actually. Once I'm done I'll put up a list of proposals. Kicgan Vekei 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not quite done yet, but I suggest that ħ spread among all imperfect endings and ç spread among all perfect endings by analogy. What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
- Makes sense. DCliche 19:27, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Declension
pəjajla girl f. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | pəjajla | pəjajlja |
Indirect | pəjajlja | pəjajlaʎ |
kamp field m. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | kamp | kampi |
Indirect | kampi | kampəjl |
ɬjak, ɬjavɛ king m. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | ɬjak | ɬjavɛ |
Indirect | ɬjavɛ | ɬjav |
majl hand f. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | majl | majli |
Indirect | majli | man |
ɬɛ thing f. | ||
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Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | ɬɛ | ɬɛ |
Indirect | ɬjai | ɬɛjl |
First Person | Second Person | |||
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ɛvɛ I m. and f. |
nə we m. and f. |
ty thou m. and f. |
βə ye m. and f. | |
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | ɛvɛ | nə | ti | βə |
Genitive | mjai | nɛsʈ | təi | βesʈ |
Dative | mi | nəji | tɛjɛ | βəji |
Accusative | mɛ | nə | tɛ | βə |
—, əi himself, herself itself, oneself, themselves | |
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Nominative | — |
Genitive | əi |
Dative | çɛjɛ |
Accusative | çɛ |
pja who? m. and f. |
pjad what? n. only | |
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Singular | ||
Nominative | pa | pjad |
Genitive | tʃijl | tʃijl |
Dative | kəja | kəja |
Accusative | pɛn | pjad |
ɛk, jak, ɛk this, this one |
ɛjlɛ, ɛjla, ɛjləd that, that one | |||||||||||
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Masculine | Feminine | Neuter | Masculine | Feminine | Neuter | |||||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | ɛk | i | jak | ja | ɛk | jak | ɛjlɛ | ɛjli | ɛjla | ejlja | ɛjləd | ɛjla |
Genitive | əjl | əjl | əjl | ɒjl | əjl | əjl | ɛjli | ɛjləjl | ɛjli | ejlajl | ɛjli | ɛjləjl |
Dative | əɛk | i | əɛk | i | əɛk | i | ɛjli | ɛjli | ɛjli | ɛjli | ɛjli | ɛjli |
Accusative | ənk | ə | ɒnk | ɒ | ɛk | jak | ɛjl | ɛjl | ɛjla | ɒjla | ɒjləd | ɛjla |
Relative pronouns
pi, pjaæ, pəd who, which, that | ||||||
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Masculine | Feminine | Neuter | ||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
Nominative | pi | pi | pja | pja | pəd | pja |
Genitive | tʃijl | pəjl | tʃijl | pajl | tʃijl | pəjl |
Dative | kəja | pi | kəja | pi | kəja | pi |
Accusative | pɛn | pə | pan | pa | pod | pja |
Conjugation
Indicative mood, active voice, present tense | ||||||||
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pɔɬtajlja | ʧajlɛjlja | pjasɛjlja | auzijlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pɔɬt | pɔɬtam | ʧajljaɾ | ʧajlɛm | pjas | pjasim | auzɛɾ | auzim |
Second Person | pɔɬta | pɔɬtasɛ | ʧajlɛ | ʧajlɛsɛ | pjasɛ | pjasɛsɛ | auzi | auzisɛ |
Third Person | pɔɬtat | pɔɬtant | ʧajljat | ʧajljant | pjasɛt | pjasint | auzɛt | auzjaənt |
Indicative mood, active voice, imperfect tense | ||||||||
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pɔɬtajlja | ʧaçlɛjlja | pjasɛjlja | auzijlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pɔɬtaħa | pɔɬtaβam | ʧajlɛħa | ʧajlɛβam | pjasɛħa | pjasɛβam | auzjaɛħa | auzjaɛβam |
Second Person | pɔɬtaħa | pɔɬtaβasɛ | ʧajlɛħa | ʧajlɛβasɛ | pjasɛħa | pjasɛβasɛ | auzjaɛħa | auzjaɛβasɛ |
Third Person | pɔɬtaħat | pɔɬtaħant | ʧajlɛħat | ʧajlɛħant | pjasɛħat | pjasɛħant | auzjaɛħat | auzjaɛβant |
Indicative mood, active voice, perfect tense | ||||||||
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pɔɬtaβɛsja | ʧajləɾɛsja | pɛtɛβɛsja | auzɛβɛsja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pɔɬtaji | pɔɬtajɛm | ʧajləɾi | ʧajləɾim | pjasiji | pjasijimja | auziji | auzijɛm |
Second Person | pɔɬtaβɛsti | pɔɬtaβɛstɛ | ʧajləɾɛsti | ʧajləɾɛstɛ | pjasiβɛsti | pjasiβɛstɛ | auziβɛsti | auziβɛstɛ |
Third Person | pɔɬtaut | pɔɬtaβɛjlənt | ʧajləɾɛt | ʧajləɾɛjlənt | pjasijɛt | pjasiβɛjlənt | auzijɛt | auziβɛʎənt |
Indicative mood, active voice, pluperfect tense | ||||||||
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pɔɬtaβɛsja | ʧajləɾɛsja | pjasɛβɛsja | auzɛβɛsja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pɔɬtajjajla | pɔɬtajjajlam | ʧajləɾjajla | ʧajləɾjajlam | pjasijjajla | pjasijjajlam | auzijjajla | auzijjajlam |
Second Person | pɔɬtajjajla | pɔɬtajjajlasɛ | ʧajləɾjajla | ʧajləɾjajlasɛ | pjasijjajla | pjasijjajlasɛ | auzijjajla | auzijjajlasɛ |
Third Person | pɔɬtajjajlat | pɔɬtajjajlant | ʧajləɾjajlat | ʧajləɾjajlant | pjasijjajlat | pjasijjajlant | auzijjajlat | auzijjajlant |
Indicative mood, active voice, future tense | ||||||||
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pɔɬtajlja | ʧajlɛjlja | pjasɛjlja | auzijlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pɔɬtaɾ | pɔɬtaɾɛm | ʧajlɛɾ | ʧajlɛɾɛm | pjasa | pjasɛm | auzɛɾa | auzɛɾɛm |
Second Person | pɔɬtaɾɛ | pɔɬtaɾɛsɛ | ʧajlɛɾɛ | ʧajlɛɾɛsɛ | pjasɛ | pjasɛsɛ | auzɛɾɛ | auzɛɾɛsɛ |
Third Person | pɔɬtaɾɛt | pɔɬtaɾənt | ʧajlɛɾɛt | ʧajlɛɾənt | pjasjat | pjasjant | auzɛɾjat | auzɛɾjant |
Indicative mood, active voice, future perfect tense | ||||||||
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pɔɬtajlja | ʧajlɛjlja | pjasɛjlja | auzijlja | |||||
Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | Singular | Plural | |
First Person | pɔɬtajjajl | pɔɬtaβjajlɛm | ʧajləɾjajl | ʧajləɾjajlɛm | pjasɛjjajlə | pjajlsɛjjajlɛm | auzijjajlə | auzijjajlɛm |
Second Person | pɔɬtajjajlɛ | pɔɬtaβjajlɛsɛ | ʧajləɾjajlɛ | ʧajləɾjajlɛsɛ | pjasɛjjajlɛ | pjasɛjjajlɛsɛ | auzijjajlɛ | auzijjajlɛsɛ |
Third Person | pɔɬtajæʎɛt | pɔɬtaβjajlɛnt | ʧajləɾjajlɛt | ʧajləɾjajlɛnt | pjasɛjjajlɛt | pjasɛjjajlɛsɛ | auzijjajlɛt | auzijjajlɛnt |