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!colspan="2"| '''pəjaçla <br> ''girl'' f.'''
!colspan="2"| '''pəjajla <br> ''girl'' f.'''
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! '''Singular'''
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! '''Nominative'''
! '''Nominative'''
| pəjaçla || pəjaçlja
| pəjajla || pəjajlja
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! '''Indirect'''
! '''Indirect'''
| pəjaçlja || pəjaçlaʎ
| pəjajlja || pəjajlaʎ
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! '''Indirect'''
! '''Indirect'''
| kampi || kampəçl
| kampi || kampəjl
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! colspan="2"| '''maçl <br> ''hand'' f.'''
! colspan="2"| '''majl <br> ''hand'' f.'''
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! '''Singular'''
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! '''Nominative'''
! '''Nominative'''
| maçl || maçli
| majl || majli
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! '''Indirect'''
! '''Indirect'''
| maçli || man
| majli || man
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! '''Indirect'''
! '''Indirect'''
| çljai || çlɛçl
| çljai || çlɛjl
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! '''Dative'''
! '''Dative'''
| mi || nəçi || tɛçɛ || βəçi
| mi || nəji || tɛjɛ || βəji
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! '''Accusative'''
! '''Accusative'''
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! '''Dative'''
! '''Dative'''
| çɛçɛ
| çɛjɛ
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! '''Accusative'''
! '''Accusative'''
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! '''Genitive'''
! '''Genitive'''
| tʃiçl || tʃiçl
| tʃijl || tʃijl
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! '''Dative'''
! '''Dative'''
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! colspan="6" | '''''ɛk, jak, ɛk''<br /> this, this one
! colspan="6" | '''''ɛk, jak, ɛk''<br /> this, this one
! colspan="6" | '''''ɛçlɛ, ɛçla, ɛçləd''<br /> that, that one
! colspan="6" | '''''ɛjlɛ, ɛjla, ɛjləd''<br /> that, that one
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! colspan="2" | '''Masculine'''
! colspan="2" | '''Masculine'''
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! '''Nominative'''
! '''Nominative'''
| ɛk || i || jak || ja || ɛk || jak || ɛçlɛ || ɛçli || ɛçla || eçlja || ɛçləd || ɛçla
| ɛk || i || jak || ja || ɛk || jak || ɛjlɛ || ɛjli || ɛjla || ejlja || ɛjləd || ɛjla
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! '''Genitive'''
! '''Genitive'''
| əçl || əçl || əçl || ɒçl || əçl || əçl || ɛçli || ɛçləçl || ɛçli || eçlaçl || ɛçli || ɛçləçl
| əjl || əjl || əjl || ɒjl || əjl || əjl || ɛjli || ɛjləjl || ɛjli || ejlajl || ɛjli || ɛjləjl
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! '''Dative'''
! '''Dative'''
| əɛk || i || əɛk || i || əɛk || i || ɛçli || ɛçli || ɛçli || ɛçli || ɛçli || ɛçli
| əɛk || i || əɛk || i || əɛk || i || ɛjli || ɛjli || ɛjli || ɛjli || ɛjli || ɛjli
|-
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! '''Accusative'''
! '''Accusative'''
| ənk || ə || ɒnk || ɒ || ɛk || jak || ɛçl || ɛçl || ɛçla || ɒçla || ɒçləd || ɛçla
| ənk || ə || ɒnk || ɒ || ɛk || jak || ɛjl || ɛjl || ɛjla || ɒjla || ɒjləd || ɛjla
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! '''Genitive'''
! '''Genitive'''
| tʃiçl || pəçl || tʃiçl || paçl || tʃiçl || pəçl
| tʃijl || pəjl || tʃijl || pajl || tʃijl || pəjl
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! '''Dative'''
! '''Dative'''

Revision as of 14:49, 17 March 2010

The Round Robin Romlang is a collaborative conlang founded by Kenner Gordon, inspired by the Round Robin Conlang. In the Round Robin Romlang, participants take turns adding sound changes to be applied to Latin.

More Specific Rules

Each participant takes turns adding a sound change, in the order of the Current Participants list below. No turns may be taken unless there are at least four current participants.

Participants

Current Participants

It is Kelvin Jackson's turn.

Possible Participants

These people have displayed interest, but ambiguously; they may or may not actually wish to join.

  • Karen Badham
  • Benct Philip Jonsson

Former Participants

—

Sound Changes

Each of the "stages" below represents a full round, except the first, which is a group of sound changes from Classical Latin to approximate Vulgar Latin.

Stage 1

  • a: > a
  • e > ɛ
  • e: > e
  • i > e
  • i: > i
  • o > ɔ
  • o: > o
  • u > o
  • u: > u
  • y > i
  • y: > i
  • ai > ɛ
  • oi > e
  • n > Ø / _(f,v,s)
  • h > Ø
  • w > β
  • b > β / V_(V,r)
  • m > Ø / _#
  • m > n / in certain monosyllabic words
  • (e,i) > j / _V
  • u > w / _V
  • VV > V
  • V > ˈV / ˈ(i,e)_
  • V > ˈV / _C*ˈuV

Stage 2

  • [fricative] > Ø / V_V
  • n > r / V_V
  • g > ɣ / V_(V, r)
  • s(p,t,k) > (b,d,g)

Stage 3

  • (k,g) > (ʧ,ʤ) / _(front vowel)
  • s > h / #_V
  • u > ʉ
  • a > æ / _[+anterior]
  • e > ɞ

Stage 4

  • i > ʉ
  • ɛ > æ
  • [single stop] > [fricative] / (V, r, l)_V
  • β > h / _(unstressed vowel)
  • l > λ

Stage 5

  • j > λ
  • (kw, gw) > (p, b)
  • o > u
  • (ˈʉ,ˈɞ) > (ˈy,ˈœ)
  • u > ɯ

Stage 6

  • a > ɑ / #_
  • ɣ > v
  • ɔ > ɤ
  • (ʉ,ɞ,a) >∅ / _[+sonorant]
  • λ > ʎ̥˔

Stage 7

  • s > Ø / _#
  • [alveolar]r > [retroflex]
  • [geminate consonant] > [single consonant]
  • (y,œ) > (i,ɛ) / [-labial]_[-labial]
  • r > ʟ

Stage 8

  • ʟ > l
  • h > ħ / _a
  • h > ç / _[front vowel]
  • (ʉ,ɞ) > (u, ɔ)
  • ɑ > ɒ

Stage 9

  • l > λ > ʎ̥˔
  • h > Ø
  • (ɯ, ɤ) > (ɨ, ɜ)
  • VV > VɾV
  • u > ʏ

Stage 10

  • ɨ > ə
  • ɜ > ʌ
  • ɔ > o
  • ʎ̥˔ > çl > _V
  • ø > ɵ

Stage 11

  • æ > ja
  • ə > ∅ /_#
  • ç > j / V_[voiced consonant, V}

Proposals

Perhaps we could allow people to do grammatical changes (i.e. "Syntax changes to V2", "Nominative becomes ergative and accusative becomes absolutive", etc.) instead of sound changes if they wish. DCliche 23:56, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty of posting conjugation and declension tables so that we may see what peoposed grammatical changes may be based on. Kicgan Vekei 17:10, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Based on what the sounds changes have produced, I think these changes, at the very least, have happened:
  • Elimination of ablative case in both nouns and pronouns
  • Elimination of accusative case in nouns, but keeping it in pronouns
  • Merging dative case with genitive in nouns
  • Merging ɛ, æa, ɛd with ɛk, æk, ɤk
  • Elimination of vocative case in nouns and pronouns

What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 19:36, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good; what would the new dato-genitive case be called, though? DCliche 20:12, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

The dato-genitive case would probably be called "indirect."

What about the verbs?

I'm working on those right now, actually. Once I'm done I'll put up a list of proposals. Kicgan Vekei 22:47, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not quite done yet, but I suggest that ħ spread among all imperfect endings and ç spread among all perfect endings by analogy. What think ye? Kicgan Vekei 03:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Declension

pəjajla
girl f.
Singular Plural
Nominative pəjajla pəjajlja
Indirect pəjajlja pəjajlaʎ
kamp
field m.
Singular Plural
Nominative kamp kampi
Indirect kampi kampəjl
çljak, çljavɛ
king m.
Singular Plural
Nominative çljak çljavɛ
Indirect çljavɛ çljav
majl
hand f.
Singular Plural
Nominative majl majli
Indirect majli man
çlɛ
thing f.
Singular Plural
Nominative çlɛ çlɛ
Indirect çljai çlɛjl
First Person Second Person
ɛvɛ
I m. and f. 		nə
we m. and f. 		ty
thou m. and f. 		βə
ye m. and f.
Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ɛvɛ nə ti βə
Genitive mjai nɛsʈ təi βesʈ
Dative mi nəji tɛjɛ βəji
Accusative mɛ nə tɛ βə
—, əi
himself, herself
itself, oneself, themselves
Nominative —
Genitive əi
Dative çɛjɛ
Accusative çɛ
pja
who? m. and f. 		pjad
what? n. only
Singular
Nominative pa pjad
Genitive tʃijl tʃijl
Dative kəja kəja
Accusative pɛn pjad
ɛk, jak, ɛk
this, this one 		ɛjlɛ, ɛjla, ɛjləd
that, that one
Masculine Feminine Neuter Masculine Feminine Neuter
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative ɛk i jak ja ɛk jak ɛjlɛ ɛjli ɛjla ejlja ɛjləd ɛjla
Genitive əjl əjl əjl ɒjl əjl əjl ɛjli ɛjləjl ɛjli ejlajl ɛjli ɛjləjl
Dative əɛk i əɛk i əɛk i ɛjli ɛjli ɛjli ɛjli ɛjli ɛjli
Accusative ənk ə ɒnk ɒ ɛk jak ɛjl ɛjl ɛjla ɒjla ɒjləd ɛjla

Relative pronouns

pi, pjaæ, pəd
who, which, that
Masculine Feminine Neuter
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
Nominative pi pi pja pja pəd pja
Genitive tʃijl pəjl tʃijl pajl tʃijl pəjl
Dative kəja pi kəja pi kəja pi
Accusative pɛn pə pan pa pod pja

Conjugation

Indicative mood, active voice, present tense
pʌʎtaçlja tjaçlɛçlja pjasɛçlja auziçlja
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pʌʎt pʌʎtam tjaçljaɾ tjaçlɛm pjas pjasim auzɛɾ auzim
Second Person pʌʎta pʌʎtasɛ tjaçlɛ tjaçlɛsɛ pjasɛ pjasɛsɛ auzi auzisɛ
Third Person pʌʎtat pʌʎtant tjaçljat tjaçljant pjasɛt pjasint auzɛt auzjaənt
Indicative mood, active voice, imperfect tense
pʌʎtaçlja tjaçlɛçlja pjasɛçlja auziçlja
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pʌʎtaħa pʌʎtaβam tjaçlɛħa tjaçlɛβam pjasɛħa pjasɛβam auzjaɛħa auzjaɛβam
Second Person pʌʎtaħa pʌʎtaβasɛ tjaçlɛħa tjaçlɛβasɛ pjasɛħa pjasɛβasɛ auzjaɛħa auzjaɛβasɛ
Third Person pʌʎtaħat pʌʎtaħant tjaçlɛħat tjaçlɛħant pjasɛħat pjasɛħant auzjaɛħat auzjaɛβant
Indicative mood, active voice, perfect tense
pʌʎtaβɛsja tjaçləɾɛsja pɛtɛβɛsja auzɛβɛsja
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pʌʎtaçi pʌʎtaçɛm tjaçləɾi tjaçləɾim pjasiçi pjasiçimja auziçi auziçɛm
Second Person pʌʎtaβɛsti pʌʎtaβɛstɛ tjaçləɾɛsti tjaçləɾɛstɛ pjasiβɛsti pjasiβɛstɛ auziβɛsti auziβɛstɛ
Third Person pʌʎtaut pʌʎtaβɛçlənt tjaçləɾɛt tjaçləɾɛçlənt pjasiçɛt pjasiβɛçlənt auziçɛt auziβɛʎənt
Indicative mood, active voice, pluperfect tense
pʌʎtaβɛsja tjaçləɾɛsja pjasɛβɛsja auzɛβɛsja
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pʌʎtaçjaçla pʌʎtaçjaçlam tjaçləɾjaçla tjaçləɾjaçlam pjasiçjaçla pjasiçjaçlam auziçjaçla auziçjaçlam
Second Person pʌʎtaçjaçla pʌʎtaçjaçlasɛ tjaçləɾjaçla tjaçləɾjaçlasɛ pjasiçjaçla pjasiçjaçlasɛ auziçjaçla auziçjaçlasɛ
Third Person pʌʎtaçjaçlat pʌʎtaçjaçlant tjaçləɾjaçlat tjaçləɾjaçlant pjasiçjaçlat pjasiçjaçlant auziçjaçlat auziçjaçlant
Indicative mood, active voice, future tense
pʌʎtaçlja tjaçlɛçlja pjasɛçlja auziçlja
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pʌʎtaɾ pʌʎtaɾɛm tjaçlɛɾ tjaçlɛɾɛm pjasa pjasɛm auzɛɾa auzɛɾɛm
Second Person pʌʎtaɾɛ pʌʎtaɾɛsɛ tjaçlɛɾɛ tjaçlɛɾɛsɛ pjasɛ pjasɛsɛ auzɛɾɛ auzɛɾɛsɛ
Third Person pʌʎtaɾɛt pʌʎtaɾənt tjaçlɛɾɛt tjaçlɛɾənt pjasjat pjasjant auzɛɾjat auzɛɾjant
Indicative mood, active voice, future perfect tense
pʌʎtaçlja tjaçlɛçlja pjasɛçlja auziçlja
Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural Singular Plural
First Person pʌʎtaçjaçl pʌʎtaβjaçlɛm tjaçləɾjaçl tjaçləɾjaçlɛm pjasɛçjaçlə pjaçlsɛçjaçlɛm auziçjaçlə auziçjaçlɛm
Second Person pʌʎtaçjaçlɛ pʌʎtaβjaçlɛsɛ tjaçləɾjaçlɛ tjaçləɾjaçlɛsɛ pjasɛçjaçlɛ pjasɛçjaçlɛsɛ auziçjaçlɛ auziçjaçlɛsɛ
Third Person pʌʎtaçæʎɛt pʌʎtaβjaçlɛnt tjaçləɾjaçlɛt tjaçləɾjaçlɛnt pjasɛçjaçlɛt pjasɛçjaçlɛsɛ auziçjaçlɛt auziçjaçlɛnt
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