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The second problem was addressed by Theo Vennemann (again, a German linguist) who proposed that Old European was not an Indo-European language at all, but related to [[Basque]].  Vennemann produced some twenty scholarly papers on this hypothesis, which are collected in the volume ''Europa Vasconica - Europa Semitica'' (de Gruyter, 2003).
The second problem was addressed by Theo Vennemann (again, a German linguist) who proposed that Old European was not an Indo-European language at all, but related to [[Basque]].  Vennemann produced some twenty scholarly papers on this hypothesis, which are collected in the volume ''Europa Vasconica - Europa Semitica'' (de Gruyter, 2003).


According to Vennemann, 'Vasconic' languages were spoken all across Europe west of a line that approximately runs from Riga to northern Dalmatia. (East of that line, [[Uralic languages:Uralic]] was spoken in the north and Indo-European in the south; in the British Isles, Vennemann assumes, an [[Wikipedia:Afro-Asiatic languages|Afro-Asiatic language]] was spoken, but at an even earlier time, the British Isles, which take part in the Old European hydronymy, had also been Vasconic-speaking.)  
According to Vennemann, 'Vasconic' languages were spoken all across Europe west of a line that approximately runs from Riga to northern Dalmatia. (East of that line, [[Wikipedia:Uralic languages|Uralic]] was spoken in the north and Indo-European in the south; in the British Isles, Vennemann assumes, an [[Wikipedia:Afro-Asiatic languages|Afro-Asiatic language]] was spoken, but at an even earlier time, the British Isles, which take part in the Old European hydronymy, had also been Vasconic-speaking.)  


However, Vennemann's Vasconic etymologies are very weak and contrived, and the distribution of the Old European river names shows a gap in the area between the Garonne and Ebro rivers - exactly the only area where we know that Basque or something related to it was ever spoken.
However, Vennemann's Vasconic etymologies are very weak and contrived, and the distribution of the Old European river names shows a gap in the area between the Garonne and Ebro rivers - exactly the only area where we know that Basque or something related to it was ever spoken.


A closer inspection of Vennemann's work reveals a number of methodological problems.  For instance, he assumes that Europe north of the Alps was uninhabited by humans before the end of the last Ice Age.  This assumption is wrong; evidence for human habitation in central Europe during the Ice Age was found at Ahrensburg north-east of Hamburg.  In light of this, a linguistic uniformity of prehistoric Europe north of the Alps seems unlikely.
A closer inspection of Vennemann's work reveals a number of methodological problems.  For instance, he assumes that Europe north of the Alps was uninhabited by humans before the end of the last Ice Age.  This assumption is wrong; evidence for human habitation in central Europe during the Ice Age was found at Ahrensburg north-east of Hamburg.  In light of this, a linguistic uniformity of prehistoric Europe north of the Alps seems unlikely.  Also, it is not generally true that, as Krahe assumes, cities are older than the surrounding villages.  There are many known cases of cities which are ''younger'' than the surrounding villages.  Vennemann also shows a strong tendency towards re-etymologizing semantically transparent names such as ''Ebersberg'' and ''Bischofsheim'' (both names refer to towns in Bavaria) as "Vasconic".


An important problem is that he manages to reconcile the evidence of Old European place names with Basque data only by brute force.  The Old European names do not at all look like Basque, and he has to take recourse to such unparsimonious assumptions as an Italic intermediate substratum in Germany and the British Isles(!) to explain the typological mismatch between Basque and the Old European names.
An important problem is that he manages to reconcile the evidence of Old European place names with Basque data only by brute force.  The Old European names do not at all look like Basque, and he has to take recourse to such unparsimonious assumptions as an Italic intermediate substratum in Germany and the British Isles(!) to explain the typological mismatch between Basque and the Old European names.
===Rhiemeier's theory===
[[User:WeepingElf|Jörg Rhiemeier]] has his own ideas about the Old European hydronymy.  He assumes that the names are from a sister family of Indo-European which he names "[[Hesperic]]".  The /a/-centred vocalism of the unknown language preserves a state that existed in Proto-Indo-European before the rise of ablaut. Together, Hesperic and Indo-European form the [[Europic]] language family.  As for the moment, this is just a personal speculation not sufficiently buttressed by solid facts, and serves as a background for conlangs.

Revision as of 09:56, 2 November 2009

The Old European hydronymy is an apparently uniform network of recurring river names which spans most of Central and Western Europe. This network was discovered by the German linguist Hans Krahe, who coined the term. It is, however, controversial whether this is a real phenomenon or just a case of chance resemblance, and, if real, which language family is to be held "responsible" for these names.

Theories about the Old European hydronymy

Krahe's theory

Hans Krahe ascribed the Old European hydronymy to an Indo-European language which, according to him, was the common ancestor of Italic, Celtic, Germanic, Baltic and possibly Slavic. His evidence consists of proposed Indo-European etymologies for the river names which consist of verbs, adjectvies and nouns with meanings which are, for the most part, appropriate to the description of natural watercourses.

However, there are two problems with this hypothesis. First, these languages are not characterized by any shared innovation and do not seem to form a valid node in the Indo-European family tree; second, the "Old European" river names, while seemingly having Indo-European etymologies, do not reflect the characteristic sound changes of the languages in which they are found and are thus more likely to be borrowed rather than inherited. For example, the Old European river names show a predominant /a/-vocalism which looks quite un-Indo-European, while the vowels /e/ and /o/ which are frequent in Indo-European appear to have been absent, or where they occur, appear to be of secondary origin.

Schmidt's revision of Krahe's theory

Another German linguist, Wolfgang Paul Schmid (a student of Krahe), addressed the first problem by assuming that Krahe's Old European was Proto-Indo-European itself, which he localized in central Europe. This is widely rejected today as few linguists nowadays consider a central European homeland of PIE likely, and it doesn't solve the second problem.

Vennemann's theory

The second problem was addressed by Theo Vennemann (again, a German linguist) who proposed that Old European was not an Indo-European language at all, but related to Basque. Vennemann produced some twenty scholarly papers on this hypothesis, which are collected in the volume Europa Vasconica - Europa Semitica (de Gruyter, 2003).

According to Vennemann, 'Vasconic' languages were spoken all across Europe west of a line that approximately runs from Riga to northern Dalmatia. (East of that line, Uralic was spoken in the north and Indo-European in the south; in the British Isles, Vennemann assumes, an Afro-Asiatic language was spoken, but at an even earlier time, the British Isles, which take part in the Old European hydronymy, had also been Vasconic-speaking.)

However, Vennemann's Vasconic etymologies are very weak and contrived, and the distribution of the Old European river names shows a gap in the area between the Garonne and Ebro rivers - exactly the only area where we know that Basque or something related to it was ever spoken.

A closer inspection of Vennemann's work reveals a number of methodological problems. For instance, he assumes that Europe north of the Alps was uninhabited by humans before the end of the last Ice Age. This assumption is wrong; evidence for human habitation in central Europe during the Ice Age was found at Ahrensburg north-east of Hamburg. In light of this, a linguistic uniformity of prehistoric Europe north of the Alps seems unlikely. Also, it is not generally true that, as Krahe assumes, cities are older than the surrounding villages. There are many known cases of cities which are younger than the surrounding villages. Vennemann also shows a strong tendency towards re-etymologizing semantically transparent names such as Ebersberg and Bischofsheim (both names refer to towns in Bavaria) as "Vasconic".

An important problem is that he manages to reconcile the evidence of Old European place names with Basque data only by brute force. The Old European names do not at all look like Basque, and he has to take recourse to such unparsimonious assumptions as an Italic intermediate substratum in Germany and the British Isles(!) to explain the typological mismatch between Basque and the Old European names.

Rhiemeier's theory

Jörg Rhiemeier has his own ideas about the Old European hydronymy. He assumes that the names are from a sister family of Indo-European which he names "Hesperic". The /a/-centred vocalism of the unknown language preserves a state that existed in Proto-Indo-European before the rise of ablaut. Together, Hesperic and Indo-European form the Europic language family. As for the moment, this is just a personal speculation not sufficiently buttressed by solid facts, and serves as a background for conlangs.