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| I am currently typing up interpretations of histories that I wrote when I was a teenager, and these stories are very violent and dramatic even by my standards. e.g. try searching for words like
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| *[[Special:Search/Abusing|abusing]]
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| | ===Things to do=== |
| | *check deeted page of this |
| | *punishment for atlaman raspara of 100 diet if commiting a major crime |
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| This is not what I come here to do, and I will be paring the stories down considerably. I am dealing with constant severe pain due to several independent medical issues, and that makes me angry, and in all honesty that's probably the only reason I'm writing about massacre after massacre. Please be kind and sympathetic.
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| '''Please let me know if I'm writing too much.''' I think Im mostly done anyway, as even though my conworld history spans 26000 BC to 12000 AD (with "present" being 8773 AD and the years after that prophecies) I am mostly interested in the period from about 1770 AD to 4268 AD as seen from the perspective of [[Paba]], and most of that has been written down in great detail.
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| ==Sources==
| | *The likely cognate of Poswa '''pib''' "to pick fruit; sample, example, specimen" in Khulls is '''pʷ''' and in proto-Moonshine '''p'''. |
| As above, most of what I'm writing here is taken from stories I wrote when I was a teenager. The very oldest ideas were from when I was 3 years old, and the most recent ones were from when I was in my early 20s. I've still been writing "new" things since then, but they are almost all "fine details" stories involving small numbers of people and thus wouldn't fit in very well with the history-book type of writing I had done when I was younger. (Although I did attempt a novel and a few short stories even then; those also do not appear here.)
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| Some exceptions to the rule of not writing ideas that I've come up with more recently include dreams I've had about my conworld, particularly when I have trouble sleeping due to pain and start fantasizing to try to make myself feel better. Some of these are more likely daydreams (at night!) than true dreams.
| | note to self: frathwiki time zone is PST, so all times are 3hrs behiund local |
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| I know from operating a website in the past that pages like these do get substantial readership, so long as they at least appear in Google, though it's likely that the vast majority of the readers were looking for something else and may not read the whole page, or any of it at all beyond the few words it takes to realize it's not the page they wanted. So my writing it abit sloppy, and since I pull from different sources that I've written at different times, sometimes things don't quite match up.
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| For example, I have a hard time sticking to a single spelling for a foreign name, particularly a name that lasts a long time and undergoes sound changes. Is it [[Tebbala]] or [[Teppala]]? I've never decided, because both are valid names for the planet from two different stages of the same language. I've also spelled it Tīpala, Tipala, Tippala, and Theppala. Those are all names from just one language, [[Thaoa]]. The same word is reflected in all of the other languages in many other forms, although despite the fact that Thaoa is not a particularly widespread language on its planet, I have decided to stick with the Thaoa name for my planet.
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| In some cases, the sources I'm copying from are computerized, and most articles mix different sources, so the spelling can change from one paragraph to the next. For example, [[Xema]] is called "Xama" for a few paragraphs in the [[Swamp Kids]] article, and then changes to Xema for the rest of the page. I will probably stabilize these eventually, but only if I'm rewriting the paragraphs for other reasons. It's more important for me to change inconstistencies where a whole name is substituted for another, for example calling Anzan "Vaamū" or vice versa (both are names for the same Empire, but from two different eras).
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| ==Universal canonicity==
| | I came upon your page [[Subumpam]] using the "Random page" feature, and I think "Subnumpamese" is supposed to be "Subumpamese". [[User:Khemehekis|Khemehekis]] ([[User talk:Khemehekis|talk]]) 13:06, 25 January 2020 (PST) |
| One rule I've always held to is to never reject any of my ideas at all. Everything I've written since I was three years old is now and will forever be canonical. When one idea contradicts another, they are either both true at separate times or one of the names is changed. Since creating a nation called "Camia" when I was 11 years old, I've had several more Camias, thus explaining how "Camia" can be utterly destroyed by one of its enemies and then a few hundred years later be on the verge of conquering the world. People, too, can appear multiple times, under different names. The two powerful female leaders '''Ende''' and '''Joja''' were originally the same person in my writings, even though they lived 300 years apart. Both of these were originally "Nancy" who was the leader of a club for children in Camia who wanted to [[STW|Save The World]]. A similar person, '''Afunyū''', lived in the 1900s, but I now realize when I wrote that she was Nancy I was using a metaphor.
| | :Thanks, but thats just one of hundreds if not thousands of typos .... I really dont have the time to keep all these pages going, let alone fix all the typos ... I've lately been focused on writing up pages on my website, anyway ... some of which are also here, and some of which are not. But thank you, I appreciate the attention. [[User:Soap|Soap]] ([[User talk:Soap|talk]]) 17:46, 6 February 2020 (PST) |
| | :In fact, I just now realized you left this message almost 2 weeks ago. I've actually been slowing down a lot lately. [[User:Soap|Soap]] ([[User talk:Soap|talk]]) 21:07, 6 February 2020 (PST) |
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| I did not hold to this rule early on. I just now found a note to myself "Remember, the plots of the book are completely detached from the comics, which gave way to the book in Nov '93." Neither the book I was writing then nor the comics that precede it are mentioned here however, as they dealt with fine details happening to just a few people whereas my history books deal with large events. However, a few things do appear in both, such as the firebirds' attack on Sala.
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| Particularly when I was younger, but even now that I'm in my thirties, I came up with ideas that seemed impossible to reconcile with other ideas later on. For example, when I was 13 years old, I wrote a story in which two 13-year-old boys in Camia learned that Camia's enemy, Wamia, was going to try to defeat Camia by crashing them into the sun. Even though Camia and Wamia were on the same planet, Wamia didnt worry about problems because they were fighting a "weather" war, and any increase in temperature, even to absurd levels, would not hurt Wamia. But when the two 13-year-old boys in STW discovered that Wamia was contemplating whether to "shoot the sun at them" they ended the war by destroying the sun. Then they fled to planet Nama to ponder whether they had done the right thing.
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| Since this event is still canonical, I have to find a way to work it into the story. My conworld no longer has computers or spaceships or interplanetary ballistic missiles, and I like it that way since there is no longer any possible way for one nation to "destroy the universe". Even with my insistence to keeping absolutely everything, I am willing to move events from one time period to another and thus greatly change the details of what happened so long as the event itself is preserved. Planets become countries.<ref>I have kept one planet as a planet, though, ''Imama-Hamapaa'', because I believed that that planet and its landforms appeared large enough in the sky to let the humans living on Teppala know that other planets existed. However, Ive just now realized that the term ''sister planet'' doesnt mean what I thought, and that it would probably just have to be a moon.</ref> Aliens become animals. Guns<ref>My conworld has always lacked "guns" in the sense that most modern people conceive of them. I basically invented tasers when I was 11, and have no idea if they existed in real life or not at the time. Thus it was possible to fight a major war with absolutely zero deaths and few wounded. However, people still used fatal weapons of other types.</ref> become arrows and missile attacks become ground force invasions. Destroying the sun, however, has so far resisted my attempts at working it into the story. In a truly unintended irony, the names of the two young boys who fired the missiles that destroyed the sun were named '''the Golden Sun''' and '''the Red Sun''', on account of their respective hair color, which was noticeable because they were immigrants into a city where the vast majority of the population was dark-skinned.<ref>Im backtracking a bit on the idea of not using "Golden".
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| Also, I have no idea where I came up with the names. I only noticed several years further on that the Red Sun happened to have red hair and that the Golden Sun had brown hair but, since he was patterned after me, in all honesty should have been blonde at least when he was 13 years old. The fact that they lived in a dark-skinned country is also new, as [[Baeba Swamp]] was patterned after a town in Maine that was around 95% white, and in my stories was a mix between whites and Japanese. Why Japanese? I still at that time had not yet given up playing video games and therefore the foreign ethnicity I was most in touch with was the Japanese people who kept feeding me more and more video games that I loved.
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| </ref> I didnt realize the irony because I wrote the story about destroying the sun four years before I got the idea to start giving everyone bynames instead of developing hundreds of conlangs for each time period and using names from those conlangs. In a second irony, the Red Sun was patterned entirely on a person I had known growing up who thought blonde hair looked weird in any context and often made fun of blonde people. The Golden Sun, meanwhile, was patterned entirely after myself, which is why the Golden Sun is the leader of the group and the Red Sun merely second in command. However, he (I) was "so generous" towards his friend that even though he was originally simply named '''the Sun''', because of course the sun is yellow,<ref>I can argue why I believe this if anyone is interested.</ref> he changed his name to the Golden Sun to show that he was considering himself merely the equal of his otherwise less-admired friend.
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| One thing I do know is that destroying the sun was the explanation for why the [[Raspara]] people, hideous parasites whose entire existence depended on abusing the people they lived amongst, suddenly had no power and could not prevent the ascendancy of a government run by the people they had abused for the last sixty years.
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| A few ideas taken from video games exist in my conworld, but most are in the "short stories" I wrote when I was younger and will not be publishing here or likely anywhere. One idea that survives in the wider history is that the [[Raspara]] people stereotypically wear bathrobes because they are patterned after the Wizzrobe "people" in the original Legend of Zelda video game. When I was young (maybe 8 years old) I pretended I was Link and that I had made friends with a Yellow Wizzrobe when we met each other in a doorway. This is why the "Yellow Raspara" befriended the Swamp Kids and the "Blue Raspara" doubled down on their abusive practices.
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| ===Comically overpowered child superheros===
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| Since I started writing when I was three years old, and did the bulk of my failed attempt at writing a novel when I was 12, and since I've held to the promise to keep everything I've ever written inviolably canonical, a lot of the characters in my stories even today are children. I find my early writings amusing in that I wrote mostly about war but never even considered the possibility that one of the 12 year old boys that was cruising around the universe fighting battle after battle in six simultaneous wars might actually someday get hurt. They were always inexplicably invincible not just to death but even to being injured, and I never came up with an explanation for this except impossibly good luck.<REF>Though the boys had many superpowers, resistance to injury was not one of them; they were human and their skin was as thin as the skin of any other human. </REF>
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| In one scene a 12 year old boy, "Teddy", is cornered in his own spaceship by four heavily armed enemy soldiers. Three of the men pinned the boy to the floor of the ship while the fourth started beating the boy up. The boy's reaction to this was to pull his radio<ref>I have boasted that I "invented" cellphones when I was 10 years old, not knowing that they already existed. I oscillated back and forth between calling them "radios" and calling them "telephones" but it never occurred to me to make a new word up.</ref> out of his pocket and call for his copilot to come into the ship to rescue him. Then he jumped up to free himself from the four men and attacked a fifth man who had come inside to pilot the ship. Then he subdued the other four attackers and brought his spaceship back down to the planet.
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| A few weeks later, his spaceship was again invaded by enemy soldiers. This time, Teddy was outside the ship when it happened. He responded by rushing through the crowd of soldiers and into the ship, and then slapping away the soldiers until they were finally all on the ground. Then, hearing that his hometown had been invaded by the army of planet [[Xema]], Teddy flew home with three other kids and the four of them defeated the Xeman army in close range combat. Then their teacher told them they needed to invade Seattle because the capital of the United States was located in Washington, so they left for Earth in a brand-new spaceship.
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| Some of the children occasionally were captured by enemy soldiers, since although they were quite strong their powers were primarily defensive rather than offensive ones. One boy, the same "Teddy" from above in fact,<ref>OK I admit it, it's me, most of my "hero" characters from that era are self-insertions of either me or my best friend at the time.</ref> "gets caught" by his enemies while spying in a foreign country and is thrown in jail. It was not because he was young that he was spared from death; everyone on this planet seemingly took it for granted that the nation of Camia had a team of child superheros who bounced around from planet to planet defeating enormous enemies without sustaining so much as a minor flesh wound. Thus, these kids were on everyone's hit list, and none of the enemies they were fighting against would have shed a tear if all twelve of the young boys were hit by a missile strike and froze to death on the ice planet Imama-Hamapaa.
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| Thus, they were harassed and attacked wherever they went, and one of the boys got put in jail near the city of Buga in his nation's enemy, Wamia.<ref>Oddly, the name "Buga" must be original since this is taken from a paper source. I dont remember using "conlang" names at that stage of my development, but apparently I did at least once.</ref> He decided to break out of the jail by drilling through the floor with his "cocoon" superpower.<ref>Something I made up when I was even younger, for sure less than 10 years old, and wrapped myself up in a blanket from head to toe and rolled around in bed.</ref> Then he climbs into an invisible spaceship and flies for some reason to a fort in the arctic wasteland for protection even though he was already free and safe as soon as he got into the ship.
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| Many years later, I came up with an explanation for why the kids would always emerge squeaky clean from each battle that also explained some of the other oddities in my early writings. The boys fought against two types of enemies: the first type was conventional armies, sometimes enormous ones representing an entire nation but also often beating off small invading forces that had been sent out by a foreign nation not wanting to risk losing its entire army in one battle.
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| The other type of enemy was the "supervillains" one might expect to see more of in a comic book or a novel originally based on a comic book. For example, '''Dr. Zāme''' threatened the kids day after day with all types of enemies, being particularly fond of enormous building-crushing mutants. Often, the boys would be sitting in sixth grade happily doing their schoolwork when the teacher would call them up to the front desk to tell them that Dr. Zame had just threatened their city with another pack of mutants and it was up to the boys to save the city by fighting off the mutants with no weapons or armor to protect them. At other times, he preferred more conventional methods of attack, such as shooting anti-aircraft missiles at their spaceships or larger missiles at the buildings in their hometown (although this type of attack required coordination with other people; Dr. Zame couldn't do this by himself.) Once, when three of the boys were on planet '''Theta''' for a political conference, in which they were deciding whether or not to launch an invasion of Earth, Dr. Zāme decided to hit the boys with an interplanetary ballistic missile and destroy the building they were staying in. The attack succeeded in destroying the building but the boys survived, as did the aliens they had been negotiating with. On the way back home, the boys were attacked by a flock of gigantic man-eating birds which had been imported from the planet [[Xema]]. When they hid from the birds, they were ambushed by '''Dr. Roc''', who had been cooperating with Dr. Zāme.
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| The national government seemed uninterested in reining in Dr. Zāme, or even tracking him down; they simply resigned themselves to the fact that every few weeks there would be a major disaster in their capital city and it was up to a group of ten young boys to bail them out. Even the boys' parents were unhelpful, soberly telling their kids that they could not go out and play until all of the man-eating snakes had been eliminated.
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| All of the enemies the boys fought were adult males. Not once did one of the boys break ranks with the rest, even when I realized I had intended all along for the boys' superhero league, TCT, to be just one of many, thus opening the possiblity for competition or even open warfare between the leagues. All of their enemies were adult males, and very rarely did the kids have any help from adults in their missions. Furthermore, all of the supervillains the boys fought seemed to have the same uncanny ability to survive every battle unscathed, even battles they "lost", as did the kids. In my later writing I contemplated the idea that the supervillains were in fact merely grown-up superheros who betrayed the team, and that the children were being misled by their leaders into believing all of the missions they were being sent on, even missions that killed thousands of people, were entirely morally good, and that the many adult male "supervillains" who kept on disrupting them were entirely morally evil. The fact that not even one adult male still sided with TCT gave the adults a strong argument that they were right to attack TCT.
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| The invincibility was explained as being a natural innate power of the superhero children, which stays with them when they grow into adults and thus turn on their former teammates. I remember also an idea that the invincibility power that the children and the supervillains shared also prevented them from killing each other, because "the Power" could not attack itself. They could only restrain each other and send indirect attacks such as mutants and missiles at each other. When Dr. Roc attacked the boys in a cave on Hurricane Island, he didn't kill the boys, he merely put them to sleep.
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| I don't remember the full details of this expansion of my idea however, because I no longer include magic or space or superheros as part of my writing. I do believe that at this time, I had decided that the TCT members and the supervillains in fact ''could'' die by conventional means, they simply could not kill each other because their Power would not permit them to destroy one of their own kind. In fact, I'm pretty sure that I had always intended the kids to be normal mortal beings, not invincible, but that they simply really did extremely lucky and did foolishly brave things that could easily have killed them many times over.
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| It should be noted, though, that this explanation doesn't entirely fit with my original ideas, because Dr. Zame and the other supervillains did not have magic powers in the early comics.
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| The remnant of this scenario in my current writing is that [[STW|Save The World]] (STW) sees itself as a very child-focused organization, despite being almost entirely devoted to war and enslavement of its enemies, and is led primarily by females with motherly instincts because adult males are frequently kicked out of STW. With very few adult male members, STW must fight its wars in very subtle ways. In my early writing I had no problem pitting a 12 year old boy against an army of 12000 heavily armed soldiers, because I knew that the boy would always win. In my current writing I have to come up with more sensible explanations.
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| I '''*just now*''' realized, after 24 years, that the name [[Swamp Kids]] is a symptom of this as well. I dont know why I had to dream in order to remember this, but it worked.
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| Even those children who did not have magic powers were often expected to behave as though they had. There were actually two types of magic in my early conworld, TCT's type and another weaker type called "Tanta spells". One poor misfit boy, "Treba", lived on a planet where all the people around him had many Tanta spells and he had none. Yet for some reason he was expected to defend the entire village he lived in, while all of the stronger magical people around him reclined in their hammocks resting comfortably in the knowledge that their one-boy army was out in the fields fighting off the men in tanks with his bare hands.
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| TCT took pity on this boy, but nevertheless, shortly after they rescued him they sent him to take on the supervillains on planet Xema, including Dr. Zāme and Dr. Roc, again with no weapons or armor to protect himself, and no knowledge of how to pilot a spaceship.
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| | Bornovia? I have a planet in the Lehola Galaxy called Branovia. [[User:Khemehekis|Khemehekis]] ([[User talk:Khemehekis|talk]]) 01:30, 16 February 2021 (PST) |
| There was also the "Cleanup Corps", a group of elementary school aged children who went around the Earth cleaning up environmental problems while being attacked by snipers and bombers as if they were the greatest threat yet to the civilization around them. I blame '''Captain Planet'''. These children did not even have magic powers or advanced technology; they simply went around the world cleaning up toxic waste spills while dodging bullets and torpedos. The Cleanup Corps is quite possibly the most absurd idea I've ever had.
| | :I think subconsciously I was thinking of Russia, .... I was very young then .... but I didn't really put much thought into names back then. There was no associated culture to go with it ... it was just a geographical name and ended up hosting many cultures. [[User:Poswob Rare|Poswob Rare]] ([[User talk:Poswob Rare|talk]]) 14:05, 2 March 2021 (PST) (Soap) |
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| From my "red notebook" I see that I had originally intended the Cleanup Corps to have literally singlehandedly saved the entire Earth from destruction because another group of eight children, a subgroup of TCT, had been ordered by their teacher to singlehandedly destroy the Earth.<ref>An exception, I guess, to the pattern of the kids always fighting adults, though note that they became friends with the TCT kids very quickly.</ref> Those eight kids did in fact destroy much of the Earth, but when they met up with the Cleanup Corps they suddenly switched sides<ref>Armies seem to do this a lot in my early writings.</ref> and the two groups of kids befriended each other. After the Earthlings learned that they Cleanup Corps had saved the planet, they started shooting at them, so TCT decided to rescue them and move them to planet Teppala. Thus, the cleanup missions stopped and the Earth became messier again. | | == From your Unbalanced Gender Setups list == |
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| I might rationalize this idea by saying that the children were merely a wing of a larger organization that mostly employed adults.
| | ''male gender associated with broken objects or unpleasant things. (Jmo; some English feminists sarcastic use of male- as a variant form of mal-)'' |
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| | Does "Jmo" stand for "Just my opinion", or is there some conlang called Jmo? [[User:Khemehekis|Khemehekis]] ([[User talk:Khemehekis|talk]]) 13:42, 8 March 2022 (PST) |
| In fact, I just now remembered that even '''Calvin''' made an appearance in my comics, though only as Spaceman Spiff. He had no magic powers, but did have his "mertilizer" gun which put him on a level with the other superheros. Stupendous Man never appeared, nor did the obscure Capt Napalm or just the "regular" Calvin. My early comics were quite Calvinesque, the kind that the "real" Calvin would have read, except that mine always had much worse artwork (I didnt even realize birds had beaks at first, I just drew mouths).
| | :Jmo is the name of a conlang I remember reading about some time ago, yes. Offhand I don't remember anything else about it, but there's some information on Reddit. [[User:Soap|Soap]] ([[User talk:Soap|talk]]) 17:58, 8 March 2022 (PST) |
| | | ::Thanks for the quick response! I don't read Reddit unless googling "Khemehekis" or "Kankonian" takes me to a conversation that's taking place there. [[User:Khemehekis|Khemehekis]] ([[User talk:Khemehekis|talk]]) 20:44, 13 March 2022 (PDT) |
| Further back in my childhood, I used Archie Comics characters as well. I remember one story that had Archie, Jughead, Betty, Veronica, Dilton, Reggie, and myself. My character was very much like Jughead. I believe I was writing myself into the story as being about 18 years old, to match the other Archie characters. I didn't seem to get the idea to self-insert my character as the age I actually was until shortly afterwards.
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| My world now takes place in an environment roughly comparable to medieval Earth but with a lot fewer humans than the Earth had had even in that era. This is partly because sapient animals are also present, and have kept humans from growing too strong. Thus, human technology progresses so slowly that it remains nearly static for the first 20000 years after the first settlements on Rilola. Some ideas are discovered and then abandoned because the only civilization making use of them collapsed. I even want to have guns on Teppala, but to have them be so very weak that arrows remain forever the preferred weapon among the elite armies of the world.<ref>From reading aloud about early guns in the Middle Ages, where my best friend said "You could probably just punch [the bullets] away!" I've always liked the idea of having guns but having guns be expensive and generally not worth the effort. If there are only 4 million humans on the planet, it makes sense that advances in military technology might happen as much as 100 times slower than on Earth, especially if only a tiny minority of that 4 million is working on military strategies.</ref>
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| Because of universal canonicity, I have a hard time integrating my ideas from the science fiction world I worked on for the first 20 years or so of my writing career (roughly age 3 to age 23 ... i was always into space, from the very very beginning. Maybe that planets-and-stars themed potty training toilet had something to do with it).
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| ===The invention of the incubator===
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| In earlier writings, around 2001 AD, I wrote sentences like ''The population of Camia rose back from less than 3000 after the Tinkers' killings in 3827 to over a million in 3833.'' I dont remember it, but Im pretty sure that I was assuming that the Tinks had invented and perfected an '''incubator''' to give them babies, freeing up their women from the difficult and painful role of womb-service so they could focus on actually raising and nursing the babies. Such a birth rate would be impossible with womb birth alone. This may also be why not only the Tinks, but most of the societies that attacked the Tinks during their time in power were seemingly all males, never having to worry about protecting their women at home when they sent their entire male population off on a new military conquest.
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| I seem to have repurposed the phrase "birth control" to mean birth by an incubator. I only just now realized this, having probably forgotten it about ten years ago.
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| To a much lesser extent, i try to follow universal canonicity with my conlangs as well. For example, 22 years ago '''h''' was the Moonshine word for "human" (I dont remember the etymology), so I needed to make sure that Khulls '''hʷ''' "soldier" could evolve into that same '''h''' in the new Moonshine, which is now a daughter languages of Khulls whereas in 1994 it just floated on air.
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| ===Notes to self===
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| * "he only doesnt let me down the stairs" ... complaining someome isnt THAT abusive because he at least still allows access to the hallway
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| * The (Soap) Bubbles were identified as identical with the Andanese in a scrap story immedaitrely after the TDA story
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| :*However, it was certainly not just an ethnic group; e.g. ''Pinuha and the Red Sun, the two most powerful people in the government of the Little Country, joined the Bubbles, fired all Swamp Kids from the government, and banished all Swamp Kids from the Little Country. ''
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| ::*One story that uses the word "bubble(s)" fifty times seems to identify them as Mampum, indicating they include Crystals. This would explain why the Crystals of the 4149-4268 era seem to have nothing in common with the Crystals of the 1500AD-3915 AD era. This same story also uses "crystal(s)" 169 times. | |
| *Can "Larnac and Lucy"<ref>My oldest comic, from when I was about 8 years old.</ref> be here?
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| * "leaving just Ezra" <--- when did this happen?
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| * The Swamp Kids may be a fork of the Crystals. The "Vaamūans" that invaded Tarwas and later got invaded by Atlam were identified as Crystals in one source.
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| * there was a strong localistic sentiment in amade, and the region refused to force its children to learn standard camian, preferring instead the smooth, measured dialect that had come to them from clubia. <--- possibly explains "STW was imported from Clubia"
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