View source for Conlangs with over 10,000 words

Because [[scrapper]]s and [[sandboxer]]s create and scrap so many conlangs, the vast majority of conlangs have a [[lexicon]] that doesn't get very large by the time they're scrapped. In fact, many conlangs have about 7 to 10 words by the time they're scrapped, and some never have a single word of lexicon created.

In this forest of creosote bushes, however, there are some sequoias that have astoundingly large lexica, such as [[Talossan]], [[Arka]], or [[Spocanian]]. Occasionally, a conlang will become known mainly for its large lexicon size (as happened with Arka).

Here is a list of the largest of the large -- conlangs that have at least '''ten thousand''' words in their lexicon.

Excluded are:
#[[superset language|Superset]] and [[subset language]]s.
#Conlangs that consist of making only a few predictable changes to an existing language, such as [[Body Parts in Your Conlangs/Muphridian|Muphridian]]. Note that this includes all [[language game]]s such as [[Pig Latin]] and [[Adibikicyan]], as well as conlangs that are [https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CypherLanguage ciphers in the truest sense of the word] (e.g. the [[No Man's Sky]] conlangs, or a conlang in which every A in the English word becomes an I, every B in the English word becomes a T, every C in the English word becomes an L, every D in the English word becomes an X, every E in the English word becomes a U, and so on). Conlangs that are [[relex]]es, but not cryptographic ciphers of natlang words, such as Froogleyboy's [[Aveata]], although they may be frowned upon in the conlanging community, are eligible for this list, as are conlangs in which someone relexed a list like [[WordNet]], or the [[Landau Core Vocabulary]], or the [[Ethnologue]] lexicon questionnaire.
#Conlangs whose lexicon consists of an unedited computer-generated data dump, such as [[Nunihongo]]. (Computer-generated conlangs whose lexicon has been cleaned up, such as Classical Yiklamu, are eligible for this list).
#Computer-generated material for making new words for a conlang, such as that made by Larry Rogers of Michigan (BA Linguistics, Michigan State University, 2009) for his expansion of Marc Okrand's [[Atlantean]] language. This was not intended as a conlang dictionary but merely as material which could be used to make new words, computer-generated words approximating the phonology of the original words.

Although [[User:Khemehekis|James Landau]], who has researched this list, has done quite an extensive search, there are no doubt at least a few conlangs that belong on this list that he's missed out on. Anyone is free to add them here.

Finally, it should be clarified that this list counts only how many words the creator or creators have actually ''created'' in the language, not the number of words that the creator says exist ''in-universe''.

==The list==
*about 10,000 [[Lingwa de planeta]] ([[Lidepla]]) - Dmitri Ivanov, A. Lysenko and others; worldlang based on 10 languages
*10,000 [[Farlingo]] - Vladimir Farber & Matvei Farber; auxlang based on SAE languages, Russian, Hebrew and Esperanto
*10,000 [[Faudanian]] - Josh Hien; a posteriori personal language
*10,000 [[Fith]] - Jeffrey Henning; alien language with "last in, first out" structure
*10,000 [[Lugasuese]] - Jurre Lagerwaard; spoken on the planet Aranii, based on Germanic and Tolkienian languages
*10,000 [[Unish]] - Language Research Institute, Sejong University; auxlang based on 16 languages from many phyla
*more than 10,000 [[Loglan]] - James Cooke Brown; logical language with a posteriori lexicon
*10,910 [[Town Speech]]/[[Urban Basanawa]] - k1234567890y; West Germanic artlang (its Germanic nature obscured by writing system and large amount of Sino-Xenic vocabulary)
*11,000 [[LANGUST]] - Grigoriy Korolev; auxlang based on 45 "atoms", [[aUI]]-style
*over 11,000 [[Uropi]] - Joël Landais; zonal language for Europe based on Indo-European roots
*11,111 [[Rireinutire]] - Prettydragoon; spoken on the planet Rireinu
*11,200 [[Paolanté]] - B. Christopher Suchsland-Gutiérrez; fictional Romance language
*11,500 [[Interslavic (seventeenth-century conlang)|Interslavic]] - Juraj Križanic; Slavic zonal language
*about 12,000 [[Rodinian]] - Rodiniye; worldlang repurposed as an artlang
*12,000 [[HOOM]] - Rood Hume; intuitive a priori auxlang for the universe
*12,000 [[Tundrian]] - Gábor Sándi; Romance language spoken in the fictional country of Tundria
*12,130 [[Géarthnuns]] - Douglas Koller; a priori language spoken on a fictional island in the Sea of Japan
*12,363 [[Mango]] - Natalia Gruscha; spoken by the Tiger People of the planet Pii, based on Indo-Aryan languages
*13,000 [[Mila]] - Gary Taylor-Raebel; set in an alien colony, invented as a fauxlang but has since evolved naturally
*13,552 [[Tomato]] - Catty; innovative a priori auxlang
*14,000 [[Europeano]] - Jay Bowks; Euroclone
*14,000 [[Ido]] - Louis de Beaufront, Louis Couturat; Esperanto spinoff
*14,750 [[Kavrinian]] - Ultimate Ridley et al.; collaborative language spoken in Lhavres on the planet Sahar; most words created by others
*14,787 [[Minhyan]] - Jeffrey Henning; VSO fictional diachronic language with a priori vocabulary
*15,000 [[Chaldon-Siberian]] - Yaroslav Zolotaryov; purification of Slavic languages without Old Church Slavonic borrowings
*around 15,000 [[Deyryck]] - Threr; fictional language spoken in the multiverse of Alaaban
*16,000 [[Otg]] - Spencer Spurgeon; quirky fictional diachronic language inspired by Celtic and Turkish
*16,627 [[Arka]] - Seren Arbazard; spoken on the planet Kaldia
*over 17,000 [[Sambahsa-Mundialect]] - Dr. Olivier Simon; worldlang based on PIE, Arabic, Chinese, Indonesian, Swahili and Turkish
*more than 17,000 [[Kotava]] - Staren Fetcey; a priori auxlang
*about 18,000 [[Interslavic (modern conlang)|Interslavic]] - Jan van Steenbergen et al.; Slavic zonal language based on Old Church Slavonic, previously known as Slovianski
*20,000 [[Aixosixomi]] - Alexander M. Koch; language of a fictional hunter-gatherer people of Earth
*20,000 [[Sydvetlish]] - Matheus Filipe da Silva Leal; Germanic auxlang
*over 20,000 [[Lingua Franca Nova]] - George C. Boeree; Romance auxlang with creole grammar
*20,680 [[Noxilo]] - Sentaro Mizuta; worldlang that allows for many different word orders
*around 21,000 [[Celinese]] - Andy Ayres; macrolanguage spoken on the planet Lorech
*21,100 [[Basha Humrayan]] - MissTerry; a conlang and autocryptolect 90% based on the Sanskrit spectrum (ancient Vedic to Classical and "Modern") with very regular Esperanto style grammar
*21,100 [[Itlani]] - James E. Hopkins; spoken on the planet Itlán
*21,715 [[Lojban]] - The Logical Language Group; logical language, a reform of Loglan
*22,956 [[Pantakakiano]] - Javier Valladolid Antoranz; used in the novel ''El sueño en verso''
*over 25,000 [[Spocanian]] - Rolandt Tweehuysen; a priori fictional language from the Atlantic phylum
*25,234 [[FeNeKeRe]] - Jonathan Sodt; a priori fauxlang of Earth's Dragon People of the arts, with millions of possible names
*26,339 [[Blissymbolics]] - Charles K. Bliss; pasigraphy
*26,352 [[Sermo]] - Jose Soares Da Silva; Euroclone
*over 35,000 [[Talossan]] - R. Ben Madison; micronational language, Romance but lacking a consistent derivation from Latin
*39,765 [[Nuu]] - Thomas Keyes; a priori engelang/artlang spoken on Ung
*44,000 [[Slovio]] - Mark Hucko; Slavic zonal language
*46,950 [[EDA]]/[[Edanic]] - Arne Arotnow; Euroclone based on Italian
*51,831 [[Vedanic]] - Arne Arotnow; reform of Edanic
*over 60,000 [[Interlingua]] - International Auxiliary Language Association; Euroclone
*some 75,000 [[Neo]] - Arturo Alfandari; Euroclone
*77,000 [[Esperanto]] - Ludwig Lazarus Zamenhof; auxlang and the world's most successful conlang
*over 83,000 [[xuxuxi]] - John Cowan; based on the same principles as Classical Yiklamu
*87,500 [[Kankonian]] - James Landau; spoken on the planet Kankonia in the Lehola Galaxy
*91,591 [[Classical Yiklamu]] - Mark P. Line; engelang with computer-generated vocabulary based on WordNet and no derivation
*100,000 [[M̄av̄ī]] - Imjustadudeontheinternet; language created with the sole purpose of having 100,000 words. Relex of Toki Pona with a huge number of synonyms for each word.

==The M̄av̄ī Controversy==
In March of 2024, Imjustadudeontheinternet completed M̄av̄ī, which had 100,000 words. [[User:Khemehekis|Khemehekis]], creator of [[Kankonian]] (the conlang with the largest non-computer-generated lexicon), made a post about it on the CBB thread devoted to lexicon milestones. The post stated: "After spending decades on top, Classical Yiklamu has been dethroned [...] M̄av̄ī has 100,000 words, all defined with a Toki Pona definition, and was created for the sole purpose of having sextuple digits in its lexicon." This text was accompanied by a link to the [https://conlang.fandom.com/wiki/Largest_Conlangs Conlang Fandom "Largest Conlangs" page] and a wide-eyed emoji.

After this post, CBB users Visions1 and [[User:Arayaz|Arayaz]] responded with congratulations to Imjustadudeontheinternet and statements of their trust that eventually, the title would be Khemehekis's. This was followed by the following post from user criminalmammal: "There is no way this should count for anything. This person seems to have randomly generated their hundred thousand words and then assigned each of them a random, singular Toki Pona word: so it's a relex of Toki Pona where every word has seven hundred-odd synonyms, with no reason or nuance. It's a stunt and it seems sort of insulting considering the work that is put into languages that actually have thousands of dictionary entries."

Following criminalmammal's post, a [https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=329262#p329262 discussion] ensued. Arayaz responded saying: "Wait, each one has *one* Toki Pona definition? I thought the person was just a hardcore Toki Pona fan and defined all their words in Toki Pona for fun. If it's a randomly generated relex, congratulations revoked. I suggest we update the requirements of the FrathWiki page." Following this, [[User:Soap|Pabappa]] suggested that similar insinuations could be made against Classical Yiklamu, the previous record-holder ─ Classical Yiklamu was entirely computer-generated and filled in a wordlist heavily tied to English ("even to the point of having the word for 'bat' mean both an animal and a sports implement," as Pabappa notes).

Khemehekis then expressed that he believed that Classical Yiklamu should still count, but that M̄av̄ī was "basically cheating" and the requirements of the "Conlangs with over 10,000 words" FrathWiki page (this one) should be updated to exclude it. "I mean," noted Khemehekis, "it's taken me 27 years -- the length of Kurt Cobain or Jimi Hendrix's life -- to get Kankonian up to even 86,400 words."

Arayaz then proposed that relexes should be disallowed, noting that she believed Classical Yiklamu shouldn't count either. She also suggested that "Perhaps one could require distinctive grammar of the language; i.e. something doesn't count if it's only a lexicon/wordlist. (Could be too extreme?) Or the rule related to unmodified computer-generated outputs could be extended."

Khemehekis then proposed to "[...] disqualify computer-generated relexes of a wordlist/vocabulary if they are created for the express purpose of having huge lexica? That'd disqualify Mmavvii, and it would keep someone from piggybacking onto my Kankonian lexicon to create a conlang with even more words than Kankonian."

As of March 29, 2024, no further responses have been made to the forum, but the rules of the FrathWiki page have not been updated, and M̄av̄ī remains the #1 largest conlang lexicon.

== Slovio ==
I stumbled upon this page by accident and noticed that Slovio is listed with 44,000 words, a number that I believe was mentioned on Wikipedia a long time ago. However, I've done thorough research on the Slovio dictionary and found that this number is far from correct, because it is not the number of words, but the number of entries in an Excel file. To quote from my article [https://fiatlingua.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/fl-000038-00.pdf "The Slovio Myth"]:

Numbers play an important role in Slovio propaganda, and the size of its dictionary is no exception. Most Wikipedia articles mention something about the number of words contained in the Slovio dictionary, an Excel file with currently ca. 65,000 entries. “More than some of the ‘natural’ languages”, says the main page. However, thorough analysis of the file yields the following results:
* thousands of (English) words are not translated into Slovio at all
* thousands of entries refer to internet domains, languages, geographic entities, inhabi¬tants of countries (male, female and gender-neutral), corresponding adjectives, etc.
* the plural of practically every noun is given as a separate entry, even though plurals are always formed regularly
* likewise, many verb forms (for example, past tenses) are given as separate entries
* it contains lots of doublets and endless numbers of synonyms: when six English words can be used to translate one Slovio word, it is listed six times
* a lot of nouns are also given as adjectives (just by adding ''-ju''), which often results in very strange words
* it contains numerous sentences, expressions and nonsense words like ''Europju banan-soiuz''.
In other words, the dictionary is stuffed with redundant entries that no “real” dictionary would ever include. If we remove these, we can conclude that Slovio’s actual word stock is somewhere in the range between 10,000 and 15,000. Still a respectable number, and definitely enough for a functional language – but not quite as impressive. 

Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ([[User talk:IJzeren Jan|talk]]) 11:48, 31 March 2024 (PDT)